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| Sombre | Sep 12 2013, 02:52 PM Post #16 |
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Oh you meant A4 bless, my bad. |
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| LDiCesare | Sep 12 2013, 03:04 PM Post #17 |
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My point was you can have A4 brides. You can also empower if needs be. Taking A4 on the pretender just in order to be able to build some air boosters doesn't seem necessary to me. You have plenty of other magic, Blood in particular, and don't desperately need high air. I would rather spend pretender points on order/growth/luck/N/E paths. I'm not impressed by the +2 precision for mages. I mean, instead of casting Bless, she can cast Aim and you can spend your design points on something else. |
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| Ohlmann | Sep 12 2013, 03:11 PM Post #18 |
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She can do both. 18 precision mean your spell go where you want them to go. And empowering a A3 mage to A4 seem rarely worth it to me. It's extremely expansive. A A4 pretender allow you to directly do the already expensive booster and cast the high end spell with him. I don't think it's a waste, given that you don't really need a bless for your troop anyway. I had good result casually with an A4E4S4 titan of war and wisdom. I wouldn't recommand it yet because in fact S4 is a lot less important than in dom3 (no rings), but the additional precision was quite sensible in this limited testing. I don't think an A4 bless is mandatory. It's just pretty nice, and far from stupid. I wouldn't go for a minor bless other than A and E for Berytos, since your target is to have awesome BiW with the bless. |
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| Johannes | Sep 12 2013, 03:31 PM Post #19 |
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Why stop at S4 when you can go S5 and get those rings? |
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| Ohlmann | Sep 12 2013, 03:37 PM Post #20 |
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Because I didn't know the ring were higher at the time. Hence the "casual". You're right that it's only one astral level away (and lot more astral beads, but that's another problem) S4 for this chassis cost 48 points. S5 cost 80. The difference is almost a scale, so you need to know why you need thoses rings for (high level fire spell like Eternal Pyre ? high level blood spell ?). |
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| LDiCesare | Sep 12 2013, 04:04 PM Post #21 |
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Aim + Bless means you need 2 brides or 2 turns, but yes that's doable. I am not sure it's worth it. My bless targets are the Melqarts more than the Brides in waiting. The brides can use E,A. The Melqarts can use E,F,W,S (they are 17 mr only if I remember well). N9, E9 are also good for Melqarts. A9 may actually be useful for Brides. The bless has side effects for priests, who in communion might use the better precision but I doubt it. I think Air is not such a good path that you want it on your pretender and you're more interested in other paths, mostly Nature. N is important for diversity and for thugs/SCs. Your melqarts will die to poison without Nature, so you need access. Of course, there are indies, but you'll have to site search with N1 mages and empower one to N2 before you can get a ring of regen. N4 on the pretender is much better. When I design the pretender, my goals would be: 1/Blood hunting. So order + growth scales. 2/Magic diversity. So nature and (Death or luck scale) and astral. Preferably awake or dormant for site searching. 3/Bless. To me, Earth is more important than Air as it benefits brides, melqarts and colossi. Air only benefits brides. At this point, I want NSE on my pretender, maybe D. I don't think taking A4 is affordable. |
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| LDiCesare | Sep 12 2013, 04:26 PM Post #22 |
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Abother topic to consider: Underwater. You will have a coastal start, and have no amphibious troops. You may want to go underwater early. You have W2+ mages and lots of air too, so it's easy to go down. If the sites distribution looks like dom3, there are many W and N sites underwater, which means N is interesting to bring under the waves. If there are water nations in the game, they'll be a pain but to me they always are, and you have the means to fight them. You can summon water elemental royalty out of the box (W3 + bracers + robe). So, depending on the map and the opposing nations, you should decide whether you want to expand underwater early or not. On a map with several lakes, you may want to prioritize construction for shambler skin armor/pills of water breathing/... |
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| Ohlmann | Sep 12 2013, 04:29 PM Post #23 |
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By the way, a W3 storm caller only need a N empowerement to summon naiad, which are 100% N3. You certainly don't get every possible nature goodie but it mean you can get it without your pretender with a bit of effort. And you then get reasonable underwater troop. Same thing for D with Hidden in Snow, but I didn't test it in dom4 yet. |
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| LDiCesare | Sep 12 2013, 04:35 PM Post #24 |
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Hidden in snow costs quite a lot of gems. As for naiads, they come too late for hte strategy I propose which is to get Melqarts as soon as possible. You want Blood6, Alt 3, Cons4. Stopping on the way for Conjuration is a waste of time from that point of view. |
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| Eschatos | Sep 12 2013, 04:46 PM Post #25 |
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If the guide is a bit basic, it's because I haven't had the chance to actually play to late game/try out many strategies. Also, the B4N4 and B4A4 pretenders don't have those paths for the bless, but for the access to boosters. Any yes, I know that blood stones don't produce gems anymore. I just really like boosters. More responses later, I have to be at work in 15 minutes. |
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| Ohlmann | Sep 12 2013, 05:43 PM Post #26 |
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It's more a general tip to know when you need to make choices on your pretender. I don't particulary focus on the melquart, it's certainly a fine idea but it's not needed either. |
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| Earcaraxe | Sep 13 2013, 01:59 PM Post #27 |
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i think it usually raises the quality of a guide if the author omits reasoning based (partly) on his personal taste, for instance "i suggested make blood stones, because i like boosters" or suggesting a rainbow, because "I'm extremely fond of rainbow mages". These kind of arguments sure have their places, although some other place might be more fitting. |
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| Mightypeon | Sep 22 2013, 08:50 AM Post #28 |
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From my pov: The light cav is actually really good. High defence, low encumberance, just treat them like really fast infantry. They are pretty damn cheap too. |
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| Devashura | Sep 23 2013, 02:14 PM Post #29 |
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if you are for boosters, then I dont understand the reasoning behind black bull. Why not take white bull with E4N4 ? blood 4 only cost 60 slaves for your B3 Bride - so why bother with B4 on pretender? |
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| amuys | Sep 23 2013, 03:23 PM Post #30 |
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I wouldn't throw out Colossi warriors. B9 is quite useful and easy to get for Berytos. The Blood Vengeance on sacreds absolutely ruin any melee and evocation based army. The fact they have good armor compared to so many sacreds in the EA keeps them safe from arrows. B9 and E for re-invigoration is pretty useful. |
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