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Information on high level, strange spells; Mostly globals, but also some other
Topic Started: Apr 28 2015, 07:10 PM (2,817 Views)
Ohlmann
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* The Kindly One : as expected, it create up to three assassination per turn. B2 don't seem prioritized compared to B1 ; if the caster is a blood mage, it don't seem to be targeted at all ; the erinayes are quite nasty, but dedicated thugs or SC have a chance. The flavor seem to indicate that some commanders may go mad, but I never seen one doing so.

I don't recommend casting it, except if you really have a blood problem.

* Wild Hunt : it can create 5 or more assassinations per turn. They are not limited to your dominion at all, but only happen in forest. One of the assassination have the Lord of the Hunt and he is basically impossible to win against ; he have gems, stuff, and an humonguous army with him, and he can kill cap only mage-priest with ease. The other are done with Cu Sidhe, Black Dog, Barghest, Dire Wolves and wolves.

I advice using it if the cap of an opponent is on a forest, or if he have a lot of indy priest for reanimation.

* Enchanted forest : all forest act as temple. Once they are on your dominions and not under your control, the attack begin. In forest, they use a single ivy king with hamadryads and various vine foo (about 60-100 units) ; or troll shaman with forest trolls (~10-15 trolls). Outside, they use Ivy kings + various vine foo in lesser amount (~30-50), or trolls (same as forest).It's incredibly nasty, and it's a must dispel since the dominion pressure is very strong and the attacks are very hard to stave off.

I advice casting that as a winning move. Everyone will hate you instantly, but the sheer dominion pressure, that they have to deal with immediatly or be overwhelmed by attacks, will make everyone but you miserable.

* Eater of the dead : he is extremely underwhelming and can lose to 50 indy. Don't use it.

* Fata Morgana : add to PD 1 phantasmal warrior + 2 / level. The unrest reduction is not readily visible nor testable. It seem mostly useless.

* Second Sun : it work quite slowly through a cold 3 dominions, and the death scales aren't very noticeable either. Unlikely to be a good use of your F gems even against Niefelheim.

* Mechanical Militia : add to PD 1 mechanical man + 1 / level. Mechanical men are quite strong, but not enough to justify that global.
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Useful info, so it seems that Enchanted Forest and Wild Hunt are the two that you would consider casting in an average game? Is Enchanted Forest really worth 90 gems?
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Wild Lord will attack non priest commander if there is no priest left on forest province.
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Ohlmann
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Ghost Ship Armada :

The attacks are made with 1 damned admiral, 4 damned captain, 2 boatswaim, 198 bucaneer.

The admiral and captain are mostly regular commander, but they have a lot of stuff.

The two boatswains are a F2 and a A2 mage. Both have 2 gems of their elements ; the fire one have a fire plate, an antimagic amulet and a lightning rod, the other a lightning spear and a weightless scale mail.

the bucaneer are longdeads stat-wise.

In total, it make an army who have good hope to win against just about any PDs and even some armies or thugs.

The admiral also pillage, giving a non trivial amount of money compared to the average pillaging (typically 100g).

All in all, it's not likely to be worth overcasting, but you can harass other players with it reasonably well. Now, using 60 water gems to annoy everyone else might be a bad idea. But if you're Ermor and can spare the gems, there is worse thing to do.
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Zonk
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Fun fact: It's possible the F2 mage is always called 'Ashbreath', and the A2 mage 'Plaguesky'.

Also, I think the pillaging uses regular mechanics; it's just that with that many soldiers, you can pillage a lot.

So yes, not a terrible spell, I am just worried about the Admiral being killed, since he only has 14 HP and pierce resist, even if he DOES have a nice shield (parry 11).

Now, what I wonder about: the spell description says the global is dispelled 'if the Admiral and his armada are defeated'.
It says 'and' where I previously read it as or. Does it mean that if the admiral dies but the army wins the battle the global will stay?

Because if it works like that, then the admiral's frailness isn't a huge issue.
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Ohlmann
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Guardian of the Depth, in addition to give you some random stuff for province defence (often quite weak), have a small chance to create attack on UW province with your dominion but that you don't control.

The odds seem low (~1/20 per turn per province ?), and the attacks aren't impressive (about ~20 troops, mostly animals, lead by a lone troll).
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Red_Rob,Apr 29 2015
10:31 PM
Useful info, so it seems that Enchanted Forest and Wild Hunt are the two that you would consider casting in an average game? Is Enchanted Forest really worth 90 gems?

I had an AI cast this once when my cap had spawned on a forest. Very annoying to lose cap-only mages all the time. I'd do it if I had the N income and knew my opponent had his cap or key forts built in forests.
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Didn't Fata Morgana increase province income in Dom3? Was that removed in Dom4?
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Johannes
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The point of Fata Morgana is the fumbled scout reports for enemies, not the PD. Still, it's very expensive for what it is.
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ilja
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Excellent thread, thanks a lot for this. I'm always wary of casting spells that sound interesting but I have no idea if they're useful or not. Now I have an idea :)
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Wish

Wishing for 'death' or 'kill (nation)'s pretender' makes the caster/target suffer the following attacks:

50 AN lightning damage, magical. Note this is not AoE and can run into the 50% max HP damage cap if it strikes a limb.

25 nonmagical attacks with a damage bonus of of 12, described incorrectly as a 'a hundred spears' (not a hundred, not piercing damage, plus slightly weaker than regular spear damage of 13)

Penetration 16 Soul Slay ('soul slay from hell')

The result messaging tell the casting nation if the target survived - of course this is only useful for enemy pretenders.
Note that resurrecting with immortality is described as surviving, despite the loss items.

The game will not prevent you from wishing for death of pretenders not currently in the game (already dead, imprisoned/sleeping) - you will simply get no special message and have wasted your gems.
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