| The Ultimate Strategy Battle; If FF8 had PvP | |
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| Seifer | Apr 11 2008, 12:14 PM Post #1 |
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*Note: I didn't know whether FF8 Strategy or FF8 Talk was a better place for this, but since it's all about strategy, I figured I'd put it here. Adel, Ultimecia, even Omega... All fell before our hands. But what if there was a stronger, better enemy? What if your enemy was... another SeeD group?! What strategy would you use to fight Squall, Quistis, Zell, Selphie, Rinoa, and Irvine? Challenge: Create a party using the 6 playable FF8 characters (Squall, Rinoa, Quistis, Zell, Selphie, Irvine) to fight another party of the same characters, though with possibly different setups, such as the one I will post below (in other words: FF8 PVP). Rules:
My Party: I'm going to focus on Rinoa... Why? Because she has the magical (Angelo) ability to keep other party members alive without even doing anything! Thus...
As you can probably tell, I junctioned up Selphie last, which unfortunately effectively makes her the weakest-junctioned member of my party. But that's ok! Strategy: Starting HP: Rinoa: Max (8751~) Squall: Max (8957~) Quistis: Max (9999) Selphie: 10% (365~) Zell: Max (8788~) Irvine: 10% (388~) My strategy essentially boils down to each character's individual abilities. -Rinoa would use Defend all the time, and just let Angelo revive anyone who died. If the situation calls for it, she can summon Cactuar (max compatability = 2.8 second summoning) for 10k damage against 1 enemy, or attack with a death weapon (100% death effect), or even revive party members who Angelo doesn't help. Her SPR makes up for Defend only reducing magic damage by 1/2. -Squall would use Darkside (3x normal attack damage) or Attack with a petrify weapon (100% petrify effect). He can also cast magic when the need arises (i.e. Triple + Aura, Full-Life, etc). -Quistis would make use of her cover and defend abilities (along with large HP) until she got low, then use 1 of her limits (Mighty Guard for the party, White Wind, Degenerator, or Homing Laser for pure damage). She can also cast magic (Triple + Haste, for example). -Selphie would use her limits Full-Life (x3) or Wall immediately, and cast support magic (or recover!). -Zell is a killing machine, whether through Darkside, Attack (with a petrify-weapon), or his limit, Apocalypse Fist (Booya + Heel Drop only, for 12 seconds). -Irvine is another killing machine, although he would start out with his limit, auto-hasted to keep using it as many times as possible (against 1 person only, of course, to keep in line with the "No AoE limits" rule). Squall, Rinoa, and Selphie all have initiative, so they get their turn as soon as they come in, allowing for insta-kills, insta-Full-Life, or whatever (insta-cactuar :lol). As you can see, all the heavy hitters (Squall, Zell, Irvine) are 1-hit killers, while all the supporters (Rinoa for revival, Quistis and Selphie for survival and support magic) specialize exactly in what they do. |
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| The Frostbound Prince | Apr 12 2008, 10:54 PM Post #2 |
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If you can read this, you are not illiterate. Congratulations! Have a cookie.
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OK, few questions before I reply myself: First off, are we creating our own character(s) to fight them? If so, how many members, and are they original creations, or like, clones of the FF8 crew (so, say, Squall/Zell/Rinoa = your party vs. All six of them as the enemy party, or like, Bob, Melanie and Devas vs. all six, or....what? If we get to create our own characters, do we get to create weapons/limits/GFs, or must we use weapons/GFs/Limits already established? Or, can they be limits/GFs/weapons from, say, another FF game? Like, say if I want a Zell-like character, with Sabin limits, Tifa's gloves, and GFs from FF9? etc. Ummmm....yeah, I suppose that's it for now x_XU I am mostly confused as to who we are playing as if we're fighting all six of the main characters from FF8. So...yeah. It might take me a day or forty to actually make an actual response to this challenge thing, but it seems cool, so as soon as I figure out what exactly you had in mind, I'm in
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| Seifer | Apr 13 2008, 05:02 PM Post #3 |
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I better establish that. Check the first post. |
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| The Frostbound Prince | Apr 13 2008, 06:37 PM Post #4 |
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OK, so, clarifying then, we have our own party of the same (but different) characters as those we're attacking? So like a "what would happen if clones randomly attacked your party?" style battle? Works for me xD As for "party", is this a regular party of 3, or do we also get all 6, and they just shift between who's in as each die? And do we go up against all 6 of the enemy party, each beiing replaced as they die, or is it only 3 of them we go up against? So is it "Ultimecia battle" in the sense of OUR PARTY being cycled through depending on who dies, or is it an anti-Ulti-style battle where the enemy party is replaced as they die, or is it the same for both of us, or what? ...just before I go an mess things up So, for example, would it be: Option a- My party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa (only) vs. Enemy party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa, Quistis, Irvine, Selphie (3 to start, other three cycle in as their allies die) OR Option b- My party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa (with Quistis, Irvine and Selphie cycling in if/when the others die) vs. Enemy party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa (only) OR Option c- My party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa (with Quis, Irvy and Selph cycling in as they die) vs. Enemy party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa, with other three cycling in as their allies die OR Option d- My party: Squall, Zell, Rinoa (only) vs. Enemy party: either Quistis, Irvine and Selphie only, OR 3 in general ONLY. (so a 3vs.3 battle with no actual removal/revivifying...which I don't think is what you mean anyway :P) ...figuring that out'll help me immensely. Lemme know which way you meant, or if you're open to mix-and-matching options.
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| Seifer | Apr 13 2008, 07:58 PM Post #5 |
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Alright, to clarify "Ultimacia battle"
Edit: The last point is wrong. Stop and Break allow for TPK without switching as well. |
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| Iris | Apr 15 2008, 06:09 PM Post #6 |
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Loopy reincarnated.
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Very, very simply, the battle would consist of whoever had higher speed and strength. I'll look back tomorrow to add in more detail. |
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| Seifer | Apr 15 2008, 08:44 PM Post #7 |
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Actually, according to the Damage Calculator from this walkthrough, a character with 255 STR doing a physical attack (with no crit) against an opponent with 255 VIT will only deal ~21 damage.
[[[[[255^2 / 16 + 255] * [265-255]]/256] * 20] / 32] * 2 = 21 Although this would mean that against an enemy with 1 VIT, the same attacker would deal ~5378 damage. Is that right? It doesn't seem right. [[[[[255^2 / 16 + 255] * [265-1]]/256] * 20] / 32] * 2 = 5377.7 And why do I keep getting different answers with this formula? In any case, it's NOT just about speed and strength
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| Iris | Apr 17 2008, 01:21 PM Post #8 |
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Loopy reincarnated.
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Well actually, yes it is. If you're not allowed Magic or GF's then your solely limited to physical attacks. Bumping up your magic stat is then totally pointless, and higher Str and Speed in particular will make you win quicker. |
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| Seifer | Apr 17 2008, 02:31 PM Post #9 |
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It doesn't say you can't use magic, just not AoE magic. Same with GFs. For the rebuttal: Summon GF: Cactuar Magic: Flare Magic: Triple + Full-Life etc. |
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| Seifer | Apr 19 2008, 11:04 PM Post #10 |
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*bump* :lol: Not really a bump, I just wanted to change the "last post date" on this thread. *PHEW* Finally done with my party, both setup and strategy (with their stats included, for a "mock battle." I can't wait to see what you other guys come up with! Although, I bet the guy that I've linked to in my sig could come up with a pretty good strategy too
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| The Joker | May 17 2008, 07:04 PM Post #11 |
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madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push!
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FuN!!! (chaos) |
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