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Need help with Card queen; i lost a card to the card queen and i cant get it back
Topic Started: Sep 11 2011, 07:44 PM (8,744 Views)
Dethriel
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OK! so here is the situation....i lose Alexander to card queen in Deling city. she then moves to Winhill. i need to lose a card to her to get her to move again to Dollet, so i lose Chicobo to her. she then moves to Dollet. once she is in dollet i play her there with the Direct trade rule. i win Chicobo back from her, while losing Doomtrain AND Minotaur.
she then moves to Balamb. im in Balamb right now, ive played her about 100 times winning everytime and i have yet to see my Minotaur come back into her rotation. i check the cards Area on the Card screen and it says queen. im at a loss. im going back to Dollet to see if her brother has it but i have my doubts. if anyone has suffered from this same situation pls post, or better yet if you have a solution PLZ FOR THE LOVE OF GOD POST!
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Blehs
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Hmmm im not an experienced FF8 player, but im going to say thats just normal. Sometimes it really does take a billion years for your card to show up, so i suppose your just unlucky.

To be honest i would've reset if i lost doomtrain and minotaur in one go. But then right after ive lost a rare card to the queen i never lose another one until i get that card back (just how i am =])
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The Frostbound Prince
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If you can read this, you are not illiterate. Congratulations! Have a cookie.
(there is a tl; dr version of my reply at the bottom of this post, in case this is too long for you :P )

Note: I realized halfway through writing this that the question you actually asked had nothing to do with the basics of the Card Queen quest aside from the fact that CQ had one of your cards, so skip down to the "ACTUAL TL;DR" section if you wanna ignore my rant/info on how to do the Card Queen Quest. :P




I'm not entirely sure based on your description, but are you losing the five cards she wants IN ORDER?

She starts out wanting Mini-Mog. Once you lose it to her, you want to get her to move to Dollet. UNTIL YOU GET HER TO DOLLET, YOU DO NOT WANT TO WIN MINI-MOG'S CARD BACK FROM HER.

Once she's moved to Dollet, go into the Pub, and talk to her on the second floor. She'll say something to the degree of "I gave [the card] to my artist father", and then ask for a new card, in this case, Sacred. Now lose Sacred's card to her, and repeat the process (ie: get her out of, and then back into, Dollet before winning Sacred back)

Once she "gives a card to her father", you've unlocked whatever card the one you lost leads to. In the case of losing Mini-Mog, you can now go to Deling City, and challenge the man in black outside the Arcade/Shopping Centres for Kiros's card. Again, no guarantee it'll be in his hand right away, but if you followed those steps, she should have had her father create a new card, so keep at it (he played it in his first hand for me, but you might not have the same luck).

Now, to get back the cards that the Card Queen gave to her dad: go to Dollet, and into the house with the painter. If you haven't done the Bone Quest, now's a decent time to start that, if you want; whatever the case, talk to the boy and challenge him to a card game.

This is Card Queen's son. ANY OF THE CARDS THAT SHE "gives to her father" WILL BE IN HIS POSSESSION. It might take a while for him to play them (I had over 20 games against him before he finally played MiniMog), but eventually he will.



Now, repeat the process to lose Sacred (for Irvine's card on Flo in FH), ), lose Chicobo (for Chubby Chocobo on student sitting on the bench outside the Library in B-Garden) lose Alexander (for Doomtrain, on Timber's Pub owner, behind the right bar), and lose Doomtrain (for Phoenix's card on Presidential Assistant in Esthar's Presidential Palace.

Also, for more help, you can click on this link to get to my old Sidequest Guide, although the order I put the cards in it is a bit distracting, so ignore that. She`ll ask for what card she wants next in Dollet anyway, so whatever.

So, in essence, you want to lose Mini-Mog, Sacred, Chicobo, Alexander, and Doomtrain's cards to her, after each time, pushing her back to Dollet, where she will stop using that card in her hand, have a new card created, and ask for a new card.

There's a small chance that you can effectively lose the first four cards (or multiple wanted cards; note that you can never lose all five at once, since the final card she wants is a product of the Card Queen quest to begin with) at once and it MIGHT mean that when she goes to Dollet, she'll create multiple cards. BUT this isn't something I recommend, since it might not work.

In any case, you want to lose the needed card, push her towards Dollet by losing other (level 8+) cards, if necessary, and ONLY WIN BACK THE NON-NEEDED CARDS before getting her to Dollet.

So, if the Card Queen started in Balamb and you lost Mini-Mog, and she went to Galbadia, DO NOT WIN MINI-MOG FROM HER. Instead, lose another card, and hope to force her back to Dollet. Until she gets to Dollet and you learn that she's given away the card in question and wants a new one, YOU CANNOT WIN THE WANTED CARD BACK. Elsewise, you'll just have to lose the card again, and get her back to Dollet, which is a waste of time.






tl; dr version:

You need to lose the wanted cards (Mini-Mog, Sacred, Chicobo, Alexander, Doomtrain) in the proper desired order (she tells you what she wants), then force her into Dollet before you take back that card.

If done correctly, once she gets to Dollet, she'll tell you that she gave the card to her artist father, she'll ask for a new card (the order should be Mini-Mog->Sacred->Chicobo->Alexander->Doomtrain). A new card will be created and be obtainable off of someone else in the world (cards create Kiros->Irvine->Chubby Chocobo->Doomtrain->Phoenix, in that order).

If done correctly, the cards you lost that she wanted will now be in the boy in the painter's house in Dollet's inventory. It might take awhile for him to play you with them, but he will have them IF YOU MOVED CARD QUEEN TO DOLLET WHILE SHE WAS STILL IN POSSESSION OF THE CARD SHE WANTED.

You can win and lose back any other level 8+ cards to her in order to move her around the world, but she NEEDS to have whatever card she wants STILL IN HER HAND when she moves back to Dollet.


Repeat the process five times, and all the cards should be yours.






IF YOU NEED HELP ABOLISHING THE RANDOM RULE FROM DOLLET, there is a way to do it, so long as you haven't mixed too many new rules in. If you have, my plan might not work, but if you didn't, there's a relatively fool-proof way of abolishing it, which will help immensely, especially since you can just lose the card she wants next right away while she's in Dollet, and from there you just need to win/lose any other GF/Character card from/to her, and get her back to Dollet again to continue the process, regardless of the rules elsewhere.






---your actual issue dealt with below---



...and I just reread your problem and I'm at a loss. Odds are what Blehs said is true---she does have your card, she's just not using it. I'd say lose the next card she wants to her (so, if you haven't been attempting it in order, lose Mini-Mog; if you've already lost Mini-Mog, try Sacred, etc...), and force her to move to Dollet (in other words, save first, lose the card, and if she says she's going to Galbadia, reload and try again, until she says she's going to Dollet).

Once in Dollet, hopefully she'll use your card. UNLESS by Minotaur you mean Sacred, in which case he might be the next card she wants, and there's a possibility she won't actually play the card, since she wants it [and you technically don't want to win it back from her until she gives it to her dad and makes a new one]. If this is the case, again, push her into Dollet, and see what she says.



....except you seem to have Doomtrain's card, which means you've effectively done 80% of the Card Queen quest, and should only have one card left to get (Phoenix's) off the quest, so you should, if you lost Doomtrain, only have to move her back to Dollet to finish the quest. So try that, maybe, and see if your missing card is in her hand then?


If you're still having issues, let me know. My suggestion: any time Card Queen starts using the Direct rule, keep starting/cancelling card games with her until the rules she uses aren't Direct (anything is better than Direct, and since the rule she uses tends to become the world's rule, you really don't want her spreading Direct). If she seriously refuses to play the card she has while in Balamb, move her elsewhere and try some more. As I said, Dollet is best, since if she has a card she wants (ie: Doomtrain), you'll want her there anyway.

If worst comes to worst, finish off the Card Club sidequest in Balamb Garden, and find Ragnarok on Disc 4 (see the Sidequests guide linked above for more). I'm fairly certain that any cards lost or card-modded will be in the hands of at least one of the CC group (or Card Queen, but she's harder to find and might require finishing off her quest), so if you play her hundreds of times and still no Minotaur, then just keep moving forward---his card does mod into some of the best items, but as said, you can always get him back PROVIDED YOU FULLY COMPLETE THE CC QUEST BEFORE THE END OF DISC 3.


So long story short:


ACTUAL TL;DR:

Try moving her to Dollet from Balamb by losing the next card she wants (or, if you gave her what she wanted, by simply losing another card). Hopefully once in Dollet, she will start playing the card you want back again. If all else fails, finish off the Card Queen quest, get back all the cards you can, and if she still refuses to play Minotaur after, say, 30+ games specfically trying for it, then continue on with the game.

Fully complete the Card Club Quest in Balamb Garden (including winning against King and preferably nabbing Leviathan, Carbuncle and Gilgamesh's cards off Joker, Queen and King, respectively), and complete disc 3. On Disc 4, in [vague spoilers]'s Castle, there will be portals you can use to get Ragnarok on Disc 3.

Follow the guide linked previously in this post, and by making it to Ragnarok, you can play the CC group aboard the ship for any lost or Card-Mod'd cards. If you still didn't get Minotaur back by this point, you can nab him back here, hopefully, and then (sparingly) card mod other cards and win them back to create an awesome inventory full of excellent items. Just, you know, don't card mod em all at once, or you'll have next to no chance of actually winning them back. :P


Lemme know if any of that works, and good luck. Hopefully things work out, but if not, remember there's always the Disc 4 contingency plan, so stay calm and carry on if things don't work out. G'luck and lemme know how things go....and apologies for the 80 page long reply o___O
Edited by The Frostbound Prince, Sep 13 2011, 07:09 AM.
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