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I'm proud of you guys.; Much overdue appreciation for your awesomeness
Topic Started: May 9 2012, 04:55 PM (473 Views)
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OK, upon rereading this it's a bit melodramatic, and, ya know, long, but since I wrote it and my laptop attempted to freeze twice while doing so, eff this, it's getting posted anyway. Apologies for anything apologies are required for, yada yada, read on or run away now...




So, if the last few months/year+ with most of you still-active FF8Kers as FB friends has taught me anything, it's that I'm insanely proud of how mature and awesome (not to say you weren't all mature and awesome before that, but that's not the point) you've all become. This is for a lot of reasons, but the most obvious one in the last few weeks is certainly the amount of pro-gay content (pictures, links, videos, status updates, whatever) you guys all share. It makes me so happy and you all deserve a hug and a high five for it.

Eight years ago, when I first joined this place, it wasn't exactly the most chill location. Sure, no one was really violent or douchebag-y over the issue, but I can't say everyone really seemed to respond all that positively, at least on a few issues. I knew I had a few allies on the site---Raven and AquaTonic, specifically, and also a couple others---but I was highly disappointed when the majority of people were ok with making jokes or comments about how "gay" something was, and not doing more to actually stop stupid but ultimately important sh!t like that. The fallout from the rule banning things like that being overturned was one of the first times I left the site, and it took a few months before I finally bothered coming back---the longest I've ever been away.


Now skip ahead a couple years, and now that we're all "grown up" and a bit more mature, you can really see the changes. While maybe not so much on here (since the site's more or less dead), at least on FB the vast majority of you have been awesome. You seem to have honestly taken up this issue of equality that's always been important to me, and I'm really very happy and proud to see it. It might not be much---a show of disgust over the way someone's treated, support for marriage equality or other basic human rights, outrage at douchebags who incite violence against people who don't fit in---but it matters.

While I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't have been cool with the violence or might've agreed with what you post on FB now back then, and maybe you even still do use the whole "that's gay" slang, it's really nice to realize what great, awesome people you all are. Again, not that I wasn't aware of how awesome most of you were when I first met you, but it's really been much more obvious of late.

I've often felt really out of place on here, and in general. I'm gay, but I'm only really "out" on here and a couple of other online sites, and I'm always vaguely terrified of inadvertently outing myself by showing support for something in a more public forum. I still have the really strong beliefs I've always had and shared from my early days on here, but unlike back then, on FB, I really DON'T share those sorts of things to avoid giving anyone the "wrong impression" that's really the right one. Not to say I'm at all ashamed of who I am or who I like---I'm not, I like who I am and I wouldn't change anything---but I'm still not quite sure if I'm ready for everyone to know. I've come to the conclusion most people in my life would be okay with it, and that it's probably not a super-well-guarded secret, but I'm also not a walking stereotype either, so whatever. Still, it's...complicated.

So when I see other people---and not just the surprising number of lesbian/bi female friends I have---posting stuff that I totally agree with but am too terrified to post myself over FB, it makes me happy. You guys are rational. You're smart. You're forward-thinking and caring and at least come off as being all for equality for all---not just on the whole "gay" side of things but period. You want to make this world a better place and you actually do things about it---even if it's just writing about it.

So on the one hand, it makes me really happy to see all you straight ladies and gents actually "getting it", not making a huge deal out of things (or making a HUGE deal about things), and proving yourselves to be on the right side of history. Honestly and truly, you guys make me proud. You are all awesome people and deserve the biggest pat on the back, round of applause, high five and box of cookies imaginable.

On the flip side, it makes me feel pretty bad I'm not voicing my opinion on the issues anymore. Sure, I'll still speak up occasionally, and any time any other equality issue (religious, gender, race, whatever else) comes up, I'll sound off, but mostly I just stay quiet. If you can't tell from the eight years of knowing me, I don't do "quiet" well. Quiet means no typing, and I quite like typing. I also like verbally a$s kicking people who are acting like douchebags, and since I try to avoid the issues closest to my heart more often than not anymore, it's...difficult. And awkward. And I realize it has to change but again, not quite sure I'm ready yet.


But aside from the good coming out of it from all of you carrying the torch while I slack off, I think I've realized that this is no longer just a "gay" issue. You no longer have to "be one" to be affected. You don't have to "be one" to agree with the cause. I mean, I'm white, but that doesn't mean I can't stand up for issues related to race. I'm a dude, but that doesn't mean I can't have a wicked feminist streak and realize that women ARE the better gender and should totally be allowed to be as kick-a$s as they are. I'm Canadian, but that shouldn't mean I can't get involved in the issues in other countries. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't have a spiritual side or that I shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on religious matters since, hey, I'm probably just as well or more informed about the major world religions then some of the bigoted followers who claim to believe in the teachings but ignore the bits about "love your fellow human and treat them with the respect you wish back".

So yes, long story still insanely long, I think this has built up my confidence in the matter and revived my interest in actually supporting the things I believe. Sure, I'm not gonna hop on FB and be a pro-gay rights superhero or anything, but I'm going to be less afraid of sharing my opinions. Cuz these issues of rights-for-all aren't just something only one group of people is allowed to be a part of. As allies in this fight, you've each proven that you don't need to be directly affected to be emotionally, mentally or socially involved. You've all put me to shame and made me proud simultaneously. Where once I wished you'd all be a bit more like me, now I wish I could be more like all of you---but not in that cliche "make me straight", whiny stupid way. :P



So yes. I just figure since I'm unwilling as yet to do anything via FB to show my support for your awesomeness, I'd at least high five you here. Since anyone here who isn't a bigoted prick deserves nothing less than my sincere appreciation. I hope you are as proud of yourselves and the little, otherwise "insignificant" things you do as I am of you. I tip my hat to you all. :) May you live happy, amazing lives, get everything you want from the universe, and stay as awesome in the future as you are now. *bow*








tl;dr: You guys are awesome. Your support for causes that don't immediately affect you prove to me what mature, amazing, selfless and invested people you all are. All the best to anyone who this describes. Kudos and my thanks and cookies and unicorns and stuff. *shrug*
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I've, for what I can remember, have always been pro-life, pro-gay, pro-everything. Yes, I know it's hard for you. I have a lot of homosexual friends and many of them are very scared of coming out. I've always believed, "who gives a fudge what someone else believes. If they are supporting the way of life I want, they don't belong to be a part of my life." I do things I believe is right and as an American citizen, I know I have the right to do that and have no one stop me. You choice your own path, don't let someone else draw the path for you.

Even to this day, I act and say things the way I want to. I act a certain way because that's the way I am. My coworkers and boyfriend call me weird, and they all know I really don't care. I am going to be happy and comfortable. There are too many stresses in my life to worry about what to wear to impress people, the way I should act that's accepted, the objects I should own, and the shape of my body to social acceptance.

I wear jeans, shirt, and flip flops. I have two pair of heels that barely get worn. I drive a 1999 Pontiac Firebird, color red. I own a four year old baby boy cat who I treat like my own baby. I even have a framed picture of him at my desk at work. I wear a lego watch that I love. My tongue and lip are pierced. I have three tattoos and I want more. I paint my nails two separate colors and make patterns with it. I rarely do my hair due to laziness. I hate makeup and honestly don't know what they do or how to put makeup on. I love Classic Cars and video games. I love to burp and pass gas in public. I refuse to hold it in. It's a natural part of the human body and I refuse to harm my body because people believe it does not occur. I love to skip and act like a child. I am studying Computer Science and Digital Forensics. I love working with my hands and working on my car.

I have to say and I've always say it. If you can't accept me the way I am, then there's the door. I am here to reach my limit and beyond and dont need anyone stopping me. I prefer to have little friends but comfortable with the way I am, then have a million friends and constantly changing the way I am to appeal to the public.

Frost-post. :D
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hmmm, I managed to read the whole post, Frosty, it´s getting better :)

respect for both of you guys, nicely said MI
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Before saying any of this, I wanna point out that normally I say things so there are no loopholes to misunderstand what I say and take it the wrong way, but with recent occurrences in my own life, I can't promise I can do that successfully right now, so if something I say is taken the wrong way, just remember it's not intended that way and probably intended to be taken the right way. My wording of things in general has been crap for the past month now...

That being said...



I've always been accepting of others, Frost. Me and you have only had issues when it came to our thoughts on FF-y (as you put it :P ) stuff, and even then, I often bowed and said you were right and stepped back, even though yes, there were times I wouldn't back down, but that was because there are just certain things in the game that can be taken in multiple, opinion-based ways. :P

Now then, Frost, I've never actually KNOWN you were Gay. -shrug- I've seen you ALMOST say it plenty, but either way I didn't care. As for the, "that's gay," stuff... When bored as a child, I read a dictionary from 1981. 90% of the definitions were different from today in the fact that they were entirely literal. Exa,ple= gay: sense of happiness, queer: different, fag: cigarette, nigger: garbage/lower than human (nope, not "slave" or "african" like people think, since according to my college history course, this was used on WOMEN in history before most other groups of people, and it was actually used on Native Americans in general, as well as Native and Latin-American slaves even before African-American slaves).

I've always been accepting of other people (regardless of gender [transexuals and hermaphrodites, which yes, I do know a few of both], regardless of sexuality [there's more than most people realize out there], regardless of religion [everyone believes many things, even in the same religion], regardless of race [I always say, "we're all people, people!"], et cetera), and well, due to the dictionary I had access to, I take every single word as the literal meaning. Most people find this amusing, but it has caused some issues in the past, most are minor though.

On the topic of religion, people often take the Bible how they wish to take it, and nit-pick at certain things without reading everything else. God wants us to love everyone. I've never once seen a part (unless I read it wrong?) that says that God himself was against anyone loving anyone else, just that certain people were against it. Truth is, I honestly reject a lot of the Bible because of the stupidity of people, and lets face it, even if the people writing it were under influence of God, the fact of free-will comes into play, and they could've very well voiced their own opinions (I'm not trying to get into a religious debate, just more or less throwing it out there as to how I'm both Christian and accepting of everyone).

Anyway, my point is, Frost... Dude... I've always thought of you as a good friend and never had a personal issue with you, so if you've ever thought that I did, that's my own fault. =_= Makes me wanna give you a hug for a lot of the stuff you said, too.

Thing is, I can kinda get where you're coming from, at least on a slightly personal standpoint. Yes, I am straight, but I have been mistaken for and accused of being gay so much (normally this WOULDN'T be such a bad thing but it was the ways it was done that made it so). My own dad pretty much makes it seem like until I'm married to a woman, he's gonna believe I'm gay. Someone wrote my name ("Aaron Utterback is gay") on a desk in 7th grade and I got made fun of for that and suspended (despite that no one but the teacher saw it, and yeah, I asked my friends who were in the class, and that teacher happened to, you know, be the substitute and the son of my mom's current landlord who happened to hate my mother, but meh). People often thought I was throughout life because, apparently I'm more personality-wise similar to a girl than a guy, and many many many of my female friends even say so, and a lot of my exes say that was the major reason they fell for me, too, since a lot of them liked girls more than guys, and a few were even moreso leaning toward lesbian, and I believe even one could've been classified as one if you don't count me. Honestly it's actually the big reason I didn't have a girlfriend until age 17. A lot of people just didn't know I was straight, so I'm sure many just didn't give effort to approach me in that way. -shrug- I still deal with this issue from time to time, too. I lost a few friends because they thought I was gay and wouldn't believe otherwise in the past... This: "seriously, you're gonna make that big a deal out of something so minor? even if I was, I'm still me, just your knowledge of me has changed, not me." That was on my mind a lot. >_> Some people are just... Idiots. Funny thing is, those were the people who were saying, "that's/you're so gay," to people/things they thought were stupid (basically implying they thought the sense of gayness is stupid and pointless in a way), and yet the people among them that got called gay didn't seem offended despite how big a problem they seemed to have with people who were gay (yeah this includes women, too, they didn't like lesbians or bisexual men/women, either, and for that matter, basically anyone who wasn't straight).


Just... A lot of my past made me wanna put my head through a wall, and a lot of it has never even been mentioned to you guys at all, but Frost, as said, what you said made me wanna give you a hug. :( I just wanted to letcha know that I am here for your support. >_> I really wonder why you ever thought otherwise, but regardless... XD We're all like family here, we're all for each other. :P That's not gonna change.

I think I have MI beat on the Frost-post-ness. :D


On another note, I agree that you guys are all awesome. As said, I consider a lot of you like family. I love you all. XD
Edited by Sora, May 24 2012, 11:55 AM.
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*sweatdrop* I suppose it's about time I reply to my own post since I haven't since I posted the initial one. I did read every reply before now, I just wanted to keep this topic vaguely alive for a bit longer. Didn't work, but *shrug* Whatev, yo?


OK, random things randomly:


@MI: One of the reasons I've always enjoyed being in your presence is you are exactly who you are, you don't make excuses for it, and you're just incredibly fun to be around. I've always really hated the fakeness of pretending NOT to like the things you do just because society might not appreciate it (barring murder, rape, and eating babies. If you like those things, sorry, maybe keep that to yourself o___O), and you're anything but fake. You're one of those FF8Kers that I don't think I've ever had a problem with in the loooooong, long time we've both been on here. So thank you for existing, for being awesome, and I seriously hope the universe gives you everything you want. More people need to think like you, and the world would definitely be a better place.

Also, *high fives* for Frost-y length post :D



@Kekso: Glad to hear the length of my post(s) are possibly getting more reasonable, like I said, I'm trying, it doesn't always work. I have specific things to say, usually, and it takes as long as it takes to get out. I'm trying to avoid the repetition and avoid doubling post-length either due to tons of examples to "prove" things and not have my posts misunderstood, and/or just so they can be "Frost-y length". So :P So thanks and hope all's going awesomely in your world.



@ Cursey: I am somehow not surprised that you jumped in here just for that comment :D You are crazy and random and I <3 you for it. The world would be a much more boring place without you in it, so stay awesome. :D



@Sora: I want to preface everything else I'm about to write with this: I've never been made to necessarily feel "bad" on here. Yes, I really hated the whole "that's gay" period of FF8K, but as far as I know, no one ever specifically insulted me on here (at least for that reason), so yes. If I made it out like I'm this hugely suffering guy over this one tiny aspect of my personality, that's not what I meant to do. Apologies. ...this is what happens when I don't post 8000 pages making sure my point is clear :P -__-U

Secondly, I'm kinda surprised there are still people on here that don't know about where my attractions lie. I honestly didn't think it was any big secret---I repeatedly reference myself as a dude (I think "The Frostbound Prince" is probably also a good tip-off), and I've made no secret about the fact I find dudes attractive. I think there was a period not too long ago where I was all "Squell is awesome!" (Squell = Squall x Zell, fyi), and my obsession with the hotness of the male FF cast and the strong, powerful female characters and their personalities over their physical attributes should also be telling. But yeah, whatev, yo. I like dudes. Now you know. :D


Thirdly, I think I got pretty lucky overall, especially when it comes to being a gay teen in a small town. I mean, I knew I liked guys at least from the age of 12, and while I'm still not out, I never even got really bullied or picked on as a child or even in high school pretty much period. Which is surprising not only cuz I never made any effort to "pretend" to be straight by dating girls, but also cuz I've always been one of the smartest people in school, and I'm quite short for a dude (I'm only about 5'5"). And yet, had a fairly chill experience all through school.

True, I suppose I had no "best friends" for much of my high school experience. My two best friends in grade school went to a different highschool, so I hung out with a group of guys I'd been hanging out with in my final years of public school and the friends they made in high school. I think I got so heavily into Final Fantasy because I learned in Grade 9 that they all had played FF8, so I think that's where my obsession with being the perfect gamer came about---it gave me something to talk to them about, so I didn't have to just sit on the sidelines awkwardly. I went a little overboard in my obsession when I got into the entire series, maybe, but it gave me something to do.

I think my "best friends" in the latter years of high school were the ones I met online. My friend Katie, who I met in 2003, was the first person I came out to (probably in 2004?), and I later added a few more of my online friends to that list before more-or-less doing the same on here probably 5 years ago, now.

But yes, I'm really not this much-suffering gay kid. I watch the so-called "typical gay experience" in TV shows or movies and I just think "uh, yeah, didn't do that, that never happened, nope." I've never been bullied over it, I've never been gay-bashed, never had anyone leave my life over the fact I'm into dudes. True, I still have all my IRL friends and my entire family to eventually tell, and then be "publicly" out, which will probably change things, but yeah, no, if I gave the impression that I've either been hugely effected by bullying and/or felt bullied by all of you guys, no, that's not my issue. My issue, at least on this board, was mainly from that period of time when none of you seemingly had an issue with the "that's gay" slang and wanting it omitted from being a mod-able offence. I was pretty disappointed no one else saw a problem with that.

Not to say, of course, you guys don't all still use that when you talk, but still, seeing the kinda stuff you post about online lately, you've all, more or less, given me a lot of hope for the future. One where it won't matter who you like, what you look like, what you believe, or what you do. We are who we are. Until proven otherwise, we're all human, so it's about time we start treating everyone like it and show due respect and embrace, rather than hide, our differences. Do you know how boring and dystopian a world it'd be if we were all EXACTLY the same?


As to the rest of your post, Sora, I'm sorry you were treated badly. It's one of those many times that I count myself lucky I've been able to maneuver through everything without much of any drama. True, I haven't lived a super-fun-awesome-amazing-stories-about-my-life-when-I-die kinda life, but I've also shrugged off a lot of the potential badness, so I consider everything balanced out. Here's hoping your experiences have been better lately and they continue to be so.



Anyway, I know there are a lot of reasons a person could find not to like me. I'm annoying, I write a lot, I'm extremely opinionated and highly defensive when I think someone disagrees with me, I'll verbally kick your arse if I think you've insulted someone I like/am friends with, I'm quite competitive, and I'm pretty much a whiny b!tch. You really don't need to make up stupid excuses like "you're short!", "you're white!", "you like dudes!", "you're a video gamer!", "you're an atheist who likes Greek mythology!", "you're a guy!", or whatever else you can come up with. I think we all spend way too much time hating on one another.

If you don't like me, do it for a reason that matters. Hate me cuz I'm a douche that forces you to read a novel every time I make a post, things that I might actually be able to change if I cared to. I can't change my skin colour or gender without some wicked surgeries that I wouldn't want anyway (I like my manly bits, thankyouverymuch), I can't change my height without shattering my legs a couple dozen times which likewise, no thank you. I could technically change my religious beliefs if something came along I could actually get behind, but I like the vague, sketchy realm of "the sacred stories are interesting and tell us a lot about a society, but I don't think I 'believe' any of them.", and let's face it---it's very hard once you play your first video game to ever really "stop".

Being gay is just one of those examples of "things that you just are", and can't really be changed. True, I can choose never to ACT on my feelings, but then I'm just miserable and I'll still HAVE the feelings anyway. No "reparative therapy" has ever been proven to work. And honestly, if you're not hurting anyone (ie: raping them, attacking children under the age of consent, forcing yourself on someone, doin' it in front of impressionable children and/or poor old grannies), what's the problem, exactly? Don't gimme that "it's not natural" excuse, cuz newsflash, HUNDREDS, EVEN THOUSANDS OF ANIMALS HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED IN HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES OF SOME KIND, and it's quite likely there are tons of others we either haven't recorded, or who biased scientists have conveniently ignored.

Also, don't gimme that "morality" bullshit, cuz yeah, unless I'm psychologically scarring you by showing you two dudes goin' at it, the fact those two dudes are goin' at it impacts you by a factor of zero, so pull your head out of your arse and join us in the new millennium, hm?



...ack, I ranted and didn't wanna rant. My bad. o___O Like I said, aside from that sketchy period of "That's gay" slang'ing, this place has always been a nice haven of sorts for me. I wouldn't have been able to just casually throw it out there if I felt threatened---I wouldn't've come back all those times if this place wasn't at least somewhat safe.

Anyway, yes. I think the moral of this whole thing is I'm glad you guys are all proving my theory right---we're all human, and the moment we stop being bothered by the stupid, "can't do anything about it" differences and start focusing and lauding the "actually cool" differences amongst us, the better this planet will be.

Yeah, I'm gay, but that's only one small part of who I am. I'm a guy, I'm a gamer, I love me some FF, I'm a writer, I love music, love watching movies and TV shows and reading books, chatting with my friends and discussing stuff that interests me. I am NOT a stereotype. I have zero interest in fashion, I don't have a lisp or limp wrists, I don't act like a woman-in-a-dude's body, and while not hyper-masculine, I'm also not super-effeminite either. I'm also not intersted in cars or most sports (I enjoyed playing soccer and was the crown prince of dodgeball, but watching sports seems boring to me and I haven't played anything in years), and while my thoughts are probably just as sexualized as any other 25 year old guy's, I'm not as concerned about how "hot" a person is or about their "assets" as I am with how interesting they are. A cast of people I don't find attractive isn't going to disuade me from watching a movie or TV show, nor is a cast of super-attractive, scantilly-clad hotties gonna necessarily keep me interested if the show/movie isn't entertaining aside from that.


We're all complex. We're all a sum of all our aspects. The moment we finally allow ourselves and others to embrace each of those aspects that make us who we are is the moment our world gets slightly less sucky. We're getting there, but we've still got a ways to go. You guys gimme hope that we're on the right track. Here's hoping the rest of the world takes a page and follows in your example. I'd pay to see that. :)


...shutting up now. Seriously did not think it would be this long. Apologies. :(
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I don't have much to comment on pertaining to your post, but uhh...

I'd first like to apologize that I took it as you saying that you hated how you were treated due to being gay. =_= Truth is now I wish I hadn't said a thing because some things I mentioned were stuff I'd rather not have... But oh well. It's been said now.

Yes, you are a whiny b!tch at times, but honestly Frost, that's one of the many things about you that make you awesome, and make you yourself. XD I like your posts and that's why I read them, but there are times you repeat yourself, and you try so much to defend against attacks that might not happen by removing any possible loopholes (yeah I do it too), which in turn makes posts 4 times longer than they'd have to be without it.

On the note of the whole, "that's gay," thing... Honestly... I wasn't around during the happening of it and I was confused when I popped in and everyone was complaining about the ban on it. O_o I was all, "wtf did I miss?"

Meh... Lots of things have happened over the years. I could point fingers at people who brought about forum drama that I've witnessed, and one of those fingers would even be at myself (though mine wasn't intentionally to bring about drama, it did happen, so meh). I've been here for almost 6 years, so I've seen a lot. Lots of drama, but far more good things, too. Like, ratio-wise, 95% non-drama, 5% drama? XD

Edit: I gotta start typing faster... It took me 5 minutes to type this. D: TOO LONG! My GWAM is 120 afterall... I need to get back to it and stop being lazy at like 60.
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May 24 2012, 02:57 PM
I don't have much to comment on pertaining to your post, but uhh...

I'd first like to apologize that I took it as you saying that you hated how you were treated due to being gay. =_= Truth is now I wish I hadn't said a thing because some things I mentioned were stuff I'd rather not have... But oh well. It's been said now.

Yes, you are a whiny b!tch at times, but honestly Frost, that's one of the many things about you that make you awesome, and make you yourself. XD I like your posts and that's why I read them, but there are times you repeat yourself, and you try so much to defend against attacks that might not happen by removing any possible loopholes (yeah I do it too), which in turn makes posts 4 times longer than they'd have to be without it.

On the note of the whole, "that's gay," thing... Honestly... I wasn't around during the happening of it and I was confused when I popped in and everyone was complaining about the ban on it. O_o I was all, "wtf did I miss?"

Meh... Lots of things have happened over the years. I could point fingers at people who brought about forum drama that I've witnessed, and one of those fingers would even be at myself (though mine wasn't intentionally to bring about drama, it did happen, so meh). I've been here for almost 6 years, so I've seen a lot. Lots of drama, but far more good things, too. Like, ratio-wise, 95% non-drama, 5% drama? XD

Edit: I gotta start typing faster... It took me 5 minutes to type this. D: TOO LONG! My GWAM is 120 afterall... I need to get back to it and stop being lazy at like 60.
Mmm, if your drama-to-non-drama ratio is that low, you really must have missed the "good ol' days". I've been here since June 2004, which will be 8 years in a few weeks' time. Maybe it's just that I always have seemed to court trouble, but between the various debate wars with Count and...AmericanPatriot? (o___O, been a while since I thought about THAT guy), and the random drama between me, Raven and Aqua vs. DoubleTrouble, the various mod-rebellions and spambots and hackings and all the other miscellaneous drama over the years, I'd say it's more like 50/50, at least. It's only in the last three or so years I'd say it's calmed down, mainly cuz we're all more-or-less "mature adults" now...whatever that means...and I'd like to think we all more-or-less get along now. Even when I was "fighting" with most people on here, I still had the utmost respect for them, and I'm glad to finally be able to call most of you guys friends. We've been through a lot together, and while we're mostly just left with memories---good and bad---it's nice to look back and see how we've all grown and changed and, at points, stayed the same. So :)


As to being a whiny biotch, yup, what can I say, I'm quirky. This site would be slightly more boring if I wasn't playing the role of slightly melodramatic, vaguely annoying know-it-all with a penchant for the verbose. And yes, with everything I write, since you can't actually see/hear me as I "say" it, I'm always terrified it'll be taken the wrong way and I'll offend someone. So I go outta my way to avoid that happening, but generally tend to p!ss people off more by just writing too much. So yes. I am trying, but I have to really concentrate on that, and since I'm usually more concerned with hammering out all the ideas I had then posting em, I tend to be less concerned with length and more concerned with getting across wtf I'm trying to say. Apologies and cookies or whatever to anyone who's ever been annoyed by the length of my posts. :(

I really don't intend to dredge up old drama, so I'll let the discussion about the whole "that's gay" thing die out now. I only brought it up initially to prove that I'm so incredibly proud of where you all are now, and not reopen old sores about how things were then. So yes. Topic uh, closed on that account. :P


Never apologize for saying what's on your mind. Well, as long as, again, it doesn't involve rape or baby-eating or murder or whatever. Truth is good, and we all wear so many masks anymore it's cathartic to find a place to let those masks slip and just be ourselves. Considering this place is more of a haven than an active FF community, I think this place is one of the safest and most comfortable of locations to do just that. So yeah, I figure, if we can't share our secrets with old "friends" we'll likely never meet "in real life", where the he!l are we going to share em? :P

...no more for tonight. Sleepy and that doesn't bode well for me keeping my post-length in check. Have an awesome evening, all, and once again, I'm super proud of the people you've become, and I thank you for being the examples this planet needs. :)
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May 24 2012, 07:39 PM
...no more for tonight. Sleepy and that doesn't bode well for me keeping my post-length in check. Have an awesome evening, all, and once again, I'm super proud of the people you've become, and I thank you for being the examples this planet needs. :)
^o) Why the fuc|< did that make Captain Planet pop into my head? Now the theme song is like stuck there. :'(
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I think there was a period not too long ago where I was all "Squell is awesome!" (Squell = Squall x Zell, fyi), and my obsession with the hotness of the male FF cast and the strong, powerful female characters and their personalities over their physical attributes should also be telling. But yeah, whatev, yo. I like dudes. Now you know. :D
Chocoboy is awesome !!!
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I think there was a period not too long ago where I was all "Squell is awesome!" (Squell = Squall x Zell, fyi), and my obsession with the hotness of the male FF cast and the strong, powerful female characters and their personalities over their physical attributes should also be telling. But yeah, whatev, yo. I like dudes. Now you know. :D
Chocoboy is awesome !!!
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The Frostbound Prince
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I think there was a period not too long ago where I was all "Squell is awesome!" (Squell = Squall x Zell, fyi), and my obsession with the hotness of the male FF cast and the strong, powerful female characters and their personalities over their physical attributes should also be telling. But yeah, whatev, yo. I like dudes. Now you know. :D
Chocoboy is awesome !!!
:yeahthat:

(shortest. post. EVAR. :D )
o.o the world is ending! The zombie apocalypse is happening! Frost made a small post
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May 26 2012, 06:08 PM
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May 26 2012, 04:29 PM
The Frostbound Prince
May 24 2012, 02:15 PM
I think there was a period not too long ago where I was all "Squell is awesome!" (Squell = Squall x Zell, fyi), and my obsession with the hotness of the male FF cast and the strong, powerful female characters and their personalities over their physical attributes should also be telling. But yeah, whatev, yo. I like dudes. Now you know. :D
Chocoboy is awesome !!!
:yeahthat:

(shortest. post. EVAR. :D )
o.o the world is ending! The zombie apocalypse is happening! Frost made a small post
Dear Apocalypse,

You're welcome.

Sincerely,

The Universe's Only Icy Royal and Male-Shiva-Wannabe, The Frostbound Prince. <3


PS: I still expect to be cryofied and thawed out after all the insanity's over, so keep your word unless you wanna go out Ice Age-style rather than Zombie Apocalypse-style. kthxbai! *explodes into random ash and hotdogs* :D
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My best friend is gay. My little brother is gay. I have thrown punches for their right to be so.

But I also call my best friend fag, Clay Gaykin, Gizzy Mcguire, Lindsey Blowhan, and Sack-Wrangler. Which is fine, because he calls me P!ss-Flaps.

Pro-gay, pro-rights, pro-equality, pro-I-can-say-whatever-the-hell-I-want.

Well said, Frost. You'll always have a supportive family here.
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