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| <span style=chapera rocks | May 27 2008, 10:21 PM Post #1 |
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BBDLLOWNAGE!
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Well not so much anymore, but I've been planning to post this for a while, and I rarely get angry, and I've bottled things up a lot since I hate conflict and just let it slide, but now's the chance to just let everything out. I still love all of you but I need to get this off my chest. First of all, let's get this out of the way: I completely own up to making out of game alliances in my EARLY gaming career, for maybe 2 or 3 games (one of which was a Poody game) and I realized it was stupid and so I'm clean now. I've moved on from that shit, so don't think I'm being hypocritical, because that is in my past, it was a mistake and I feel bad about it ... and I know most of us have a blotchy record at one point or another. Now, before I get what really sent me over the edge, let me start with some small stuff that I've kept my mouth shut about so far... In JH3, there's issues surrounding April, but that's not my problem. I always thought Jun/Monica crossed the line in the jury lodge, but I still love them. I thought it was obvious that they wanted Bunky or Michelle to win. CC, you say this place is free for speech and shit, and I'm not taking your or SJ's side, but from one aspect, the constant threatening to ban him pretty much takes away the whole point of the board. If you're dangling a banning in front of him, that's just as bad as banning him. It's controlling, and thus limits freedom of speech. We're all intelligent people and for every troll you need a trollee. If whoever SJ is trolling doesn't like it, then just ignore. Not that hard. Now to why I needed to start this thread.. I was playing a lot of sides in Vertigo 2, and I got booted. I understood it and I was fine with it. I was completely at peace with it. And then from there, the bullshit started here, and I had to keep my mouth shut for Rudy's sake, but the game is over. Learning the REAL circumstances behind my boot pissed me off and soured a game for me that up until then I thought was amazing. And that sucks for Rudy because he ran a STELLAR game, IMO, and the whole out of game drama is what soured it for me. And because I got booted for some grade 2 grudge match, yeah, that pisses me off. I would much rather have gone out in a fair manner. To put it bluntly, I really do think CA and Eli had an out of game alliance. There is just too much that points to it being there. They BOTH thought I was SJ? They were both BFF right off the bat? They just started talking after Candice got booted out of the blue? Candice stopped trusting me once I suggested that BRad should go around 5th or 6th? And that's when Brad started acting funny with me to? I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion. And what really pissed me off was that I got taken out for being Jude. Seriously, I love you both, and I'm somewhat over it, but LET.IT.GO. This stupid juvenile fighting is RIDICULOUS. GET OVER IT, all of you!!! It's starting to affect games, and that's bullshit. Ace, you mentioned that you were pissed that Nate wanted to take you out for being eli (which isn't true) and that you had a right to hate on him ... but that's the same situation. You quit the jury because you knew the people's ID's in the game ... but if you were worried about outside ID's influencing you, why didn't you quit BEFORE the bullshit started? But you have apologized, both of you, and that means something to me. I've been through a lot with Eli so I still adore her, and CA is great to, just this situation pisses me off. But the one thing that still bothers me is that CA, you mentioned that Rudy didn't handle the situation well. Please don't say that. he did the best he could and I think every decision he made was the right one. He ran a phenomenal game and is a top notch host. In short: Let this Jude grudge go. It's tiring and it's going to keep coming up and that sucks. |
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| <span style=Alffmix | May 27 2008, 10:29 PM Post #2 |
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The Only French-Canadian Anyone Likes
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BB Cupid flashback? Same old shit, same old shitstirrer.
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| <span style=Gillie | May 27 2008, 10:36 PM Post #3 |
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ORG Legend
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FML thought I was SJ in Ptcruisn's game but he still didn't vote for me.
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| <span style=growsonballs | May 27 2008, 10:36 PM Post #4 |
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Amazing Ace
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Big red X to everything chappy said.
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| Why aren't you pointing your finger at grows, who I have provided sufficient evidence against? She is the starter of all things evil in games. | |
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| <span style=NickF227 | May 27 2008, 10:40 PM Post #5 |
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You didn't even ask how my day went!
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Eh, it got me from 10th to 6th. <_< It's still bad, though. |
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| <span style=ts2 | May 27 2008, 10:42 PM Post #6 |
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Mother Hen
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CR I completely agree with you on this. I also believe that CA and Elin talked outside of the game before the Nate incident. And that incident wouldn't have come to light at all if Nate had continued to vote their way. I have told Elin this tonight. She has denied it. And that is fine. No one will ever know the whole truth. So I'm not going to bash anybody. Everybody can continue to have their stance on this. I would like Elin to continue to be a part of this community. But I hated to see you go out that way. The only thing that made me giggle over the whole thing is that "Jude" fucked their whole game and he wasn't even playing. That power move to get Yul out was a good one but it showed that Candice/Brad would quickly turn on their own alliance and it got Candice booted next. That was the only reason she was booted. It had nothing to do with a Clinic Clique. It had nothing to do with a conspiracy. It was solely due to game play. |
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| <span style=NickF227 | May 27 2008, 10:45 PM Post #7 |
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You didn't even ask how my day went!
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Can someone tell me what the clinic clique is anyway? |
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ALL THAT MATTERS: Pokemon Survivor Hosted by Kitty Pryde1 Played: Beatrix Placing: 1st out of 18 <3 <3 <3 <3 Click here for my...lesser games.
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| <span style=Rudy | May 27 2008, 10:46 PM Post #8 |
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Sorry for being so awesome
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It doesn't exist. |
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| <span style=Alffmix | May 27 2008, 10:52 PM Post #9 |
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The Only French-Canadian Anyone Likes
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It's a really sexy clique with honorable members like longcat, Debb Eaton and longcat again. |
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| Cuauhtemoc Cosby | May 27 2008, 10:56 PM Post #10 |
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~*~T Y R A N T~*~
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Oh I'm not playing that game. People can express their opinions here. I have no problem letting people debate things out as you can tell by numerous threads. I have a problem with Jude intentionally trolling. Period. Which is what he does. If he cuts that shit out, I won't threaten him with a ban. It's that simple. I have absolutely no problem when he's talking about the things everyone else is talking about. Coming over here to try and bait me or someone else, because he's the only one smart-assy enough to even do that in the first place, won't be treated as kindly. Unfortunately, that's just one of the privileges of being the creator of this board. He's allowed to bait people and be pathetic over at Sucks, and ya know what, I don't think I have to stand for it over at my own board. I've been extremely liberal in every single discussion that's gone on here -- infact, I haven't even cared to read most of it. I'm happy that you guys feel comfortable enough to air your complaints out -- like this very topic -- at this forum, because it means you feel comfortable enough to do so. I know I wouldn't have felt that over at FML's former board. What I don't want to have happen is for people to feel like they can't come here lest they be antagonized. Hence what I said about people creating ghostnics to troll. You know why? Because I happen to know how that feels. When it's an entire board against you. If people have earned the entire board against them, awesome, but at least be brave enough to own it under your main nic. Most people are, which is great. You don't even need one hand to count the amount of threads that have been locked here during an entire year. I've let people from my best friends to my worst enemies post with absolutely no hesitation. Even Cocunt is more than welcome to come post. But, back to Jude, sorry, considering I happen to have the control over something I lacked for so long, I do feel obligated to put that immature stupid douchetard in his place if he feels like intentionally trolling. Why should I have to ignore him? What's easier is this: Stop baiting and trolling. I'm sorry if that comes across as really cold or harsh or unfair but that's just how I feel, and you're more than welcome to disagree all you want. I just feel that a simple luxury of being creator of this board is being able to put a stop to genuine baiting and trolling. 99% of the people here don't do it. That's a testament to how awesome you guys are. And I want to keep it that way, even if it means saying flat out "You could be banned." One of the reasons I think Sucks has gone so far downill is the people that genuinely bait and troll are allowed to roam free and take over things. |
(banner links to board)![]() ![]() "[moses] you told me you wanted to taste my pussy. that is just foul. you are so offensive and i felt violated. i hope none of the other women were talked to like that. you are nasty. of course i know no one would say these things to helen. no one wants to taste her pussy. it probably tastes of poison."-Lady Godiva,Col 5 | |
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| <span style=Android | May 27 2008, 11:00 PM Post #11 |
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Constant Source of Drama
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It's pretty much the people who post at the Clinic. Basically if there's a group people currently hate, they are called a clique. Like how people said you and Kitty, and Kat, and some of the others were in a Veteran clique. |
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| <span style=spnintendo | May 27 2008, 11:01 PM Post #12 |
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Purple Domination
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Just wanted to add my two cents. I think Candice/Brad would have both made in a lot further if they just piped down and waited for the right moment to strike. It was waaaay too early at F11. But it led to the amazing powershift at F9 so it wasn't all bad. I also hate the fact that the reason for targeting Yul seems to be summed up by, "because they thought he was SJ." That kinda put a damper on things.
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| <span style=Cassidy666 | May 27 2008, 11:01 PM Post #13 |
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ORG Legend
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Bad gameplay, yeah. I think that was the whole problem with the Candice/Brad alliance. They knew who each other were and based their gameplay on that and screwed up badly. Keeping inactives over actives and then targeting people based on who they were instead of basing it on in-game dynamics? Not smart and it killed them. Games are supposed to be based on what happens in the game. Bringing outside game factors (like talking to others outside and knowing or suspecting other people's IDs) into the game affects other players and the hosts who do everything they can to have a fair and balanced game. |
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| <span style=Gillie | May 27 2008, 11:09 PM Post #14 |
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ORG Legend
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It's a lovable group of Debb worshippers.
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| Cuauhtemoc Cosby | May 27 2008, 11:10 PM Post #15 |
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~*~T Y R A N T~*~
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I tend to stay out of a lot of cheating/rigging threads popping up recently (not like how I used to be), mainly because I wasn't sure what to do. What I think has to happen now is hosts need to start using some discretion in their casting. It may not be smart to accept the first X amount of people that sign up, even if it's hard to turn away people you know would be active, because the risk is too great. I can understand how hard that is, especially when a series is new, like in this case. It has to be up to the host, and honestly, unfortunately, the host does have to assume the responsibility for cheatings that could have been prevented on his or her part, in my opinion. This isn't to blame Rudy at all, but just maybe in the future, if you're hosting a game, and you notice the cast list of about 12 includes elinorrigby and Cuauhtemoc Ace, you need to ask yourself: "Alright, this game isn't very large. I know there's some risk of eli and Ace alligning out of game if I put the both of them in this game together. Do I still want to allow both of them to play?" You can substitute Cuauhtemoc Ace and eli with any old pair. Casting is just going to need to get a bit more in-depth, and as much as it should entirely be the fault of the perpetraitors, at some point, the host is going to need to ask themselves whether or not this type of thing could've been/can be prevented. |
(banner links to board)![]() ![]() "[moses] you told me you wanted to taste my pussy. that is just foul. you are so offensive and i felt violated. i hope none of the other women were talked to like that. you are nasty. of course i know no one would say these things to helen. no one wants to taste her pussy. it probably tastes of poison."-Lady Godiva,Col 5 | |
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| <span style=Gillie | May 27 2008, 11:20 PM Post #16 |
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ORG Legend
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The whole point of casting both Ace and Elin is to see if they'd be at each others' throats or be allies even without talking over AIM. |
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| <span style=Martrae | May 27 2008, 11:22 PM Post #17 |
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The Sandra Bullock of ORGs
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I was gonna post something but I think I've said enough on the subject. |
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| Cuauhtemoc Cosby | May 27 2008, 11:22 PM Post #18 |
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~*~T Y R A N T~*~
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Maybe. All I know is, from personal experience, the last time I was involved in stunt casting -- FML's Survivor: Vanuatu -- I wasn't too happy with what happened. Lol. Look, maybe it WAS a good thing to put those rankings away. |
(banner links to board)![]() ![]() "[moses] you told me you wanted to taste my pussy. that is just foul. you are so offensive and i felt violated. i hope none of the other women were talked to like that. you are nasty. of course i know no one would say these things to helen. no one wants to taste her pussy. it probably tastes of poison."-Lady Godiva,Col 5 | |
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| <span style=cindyfan1 | May 27 2008, 11:27 PM Post #19 |
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'Doesnt he just hang around, not play, and posts stats?'
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My one last post for good, and I've already tried explaining things to CR. I'm not going to go all grows on everyone and post in caps, but I seriously have to question a lot of your mental capacity at this point. Are people who are friends outside games not allowed to ally in-game anymore? When we do, is it considered cheating? Had I known elin before BBP, would that game have been rigged because we were allied? From my understanding of your posts (and by "your," I do mean all of you, since you all love to make cheating assumptions), if I'm ever in a game with elin (or CC, CG, etc.), I must not ally with them. I have to purposely alienate them like with CC in BBC to ensure that I'm not accused of cheating. And even when there's no cheating going on, the admins, of course, will discuss in their little admin lounge that we are cheating. Apparently that's the case, since there's no proof anywhere that elin and I talked outside the game because it never happened, yet you guys are all finding excuses for grows by telling each other that you know we cheated. Hell, there's no proof, but since we allied in a game, we must have cheated, right? :rolleyes: |
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| <span style=Rudy | May 27 2008, 11:29 PM Post #20 |
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Sorry for being so awesome
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I didn't stunt cast either one. I asked elinor after the first Vertigo game if she would be interested in playing in the second, and she said yes. Ace applied to the game on his own, saying he always wanted to play as Candice in a game. I did hesitate to let them both play. I suspected it could happen. But I didn't think it was fair to remove someone who seemed eager to play before the game, just on the suspicion that they MIGHT cheat. Don't know if it happened or not. I guess if you suspect it might happen it probably will. I will have to keep that in mind for the future. |
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