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Jul 9 2010, 01:37 AM
All you can do is play to make finals. You can't play to win, because you don't know what the jury is going to base their vote on.

If the jury is too butthurt about getting pwnt by a good move, then I'd be too embarrassed to receive votes from bitter pussies like them anyway :)

"boohoo, he voted me out. I got outplayed. He doesnt deserve to win because I am jealous" :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: You know its not some impossible thing to act in a way that the jury will respect you more and give you your vote. You simply talk to me the night you boot me and you very well could have won as Miley. You wanna keep playing that way, fine, you'll continue to get some more 2nd places, but you'll never get the multiple wins and respect that SJ and chad6 have.

Madhack, you're reminding me of our epic IT vs. Kobs jury discussion in Famewhore Academy :P

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I just don't understand personal voting on the jury. From the moment I started watching Survivor, I didn't. And I assumed, as I still think was an appropriate assumption, that all Survivor fans would feel the same. Why? Because personal voting to me makes NO logical sense within the definition of the game. The comparison I use is to Poker, where bluffing though not technically part of the rules is so widely used that if you actually get upset at someone for bluffing in poker you're sort of getting mad at someone for castling in chess or throwing a forward pass in football because it's just part of the game at this point. Why get mad? It's stupid. It's just a game and lying is part of it and it's not personal.

I just don't understand personal voting on the jury. From the moment I started watching Survivor, I didn't. And I assumed, as I still think was an appropriate assumption, that all Survivor fans would feel the same. Why? Because personal voting to me makes NO logical sense within the definition of the game. The comparison I use is to Poker, where bluffing though not technically part of the rules is so widely used that if you actually get upset at someone for bluffing in poker you're sort of getting mad at someone for castling in chess or throwing a forward pass in football because it's just part of the game at this point. Why get mad? It's stupid. It's just a game and lying is part of it and it's not personal.


Then you're completely missing a big aspect of the game. People are out there with each other for up to 39 days. They get to know each other really, really well. If you think that they'd don't develop personal connections through that, whether its getting mad at someone who you've been with for so long who double crossed you, or voting for someone to win because they were your best friend out there for so long, you're missing a big part of the game. :P

What it really just comes down to in ORGs is the same thing it comes down to in the real thing; as a juror you can vote for whatever reason you want. That's part of the game just like the strategic moves and the lying. If you want to win, try and take that into consideration when you're playing the game. It is never going to go pure "game-bot" mode like you want it to where someone bases it solely on the strategic moves.
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I don't know where this idea of how Survivor is supposed to work came from. I'm pretty sure Survivor was originally created as a social experiment and how the jury/finalists operate falls within that. People who act as if the show is SUPPOSED to be about lying and backstabbing and big moves and aggressive game play definitely don't understand the original concept of Survivor.

Even some of the greatest Survivors ever, including Hatch who basically set the precedence for this "respect the game" idea, have said that Russell's game was horrible and that Natalie obviously understood how the game worked better and that THEY THEMSELVES would have voted for her. I mean you can argue forever that Russell deserved to win Samoa but to me that just shows you have a very basic understanding of the show and a very limited understanding of how people work.
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Jul 9 2010, 10:50 PM
Petition to remove Mole games from the rankings. It's not even a vote off game, I know I just played it for complete fun and it just had a different vibe from every other game I've played. :dance

I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that, the same with the Amazing Race games too (although I think there's only 2 of them). To be consistent I've put in everything to this point but wouldn't oppose pulling the pure Mole and Amazing Race games. Games like SYBBM which was mostly a vote out game with some aspect of the mole in it would stay. Other people's thoughts?
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Well, TAR games are mostly about challenge ability and like such as, but then again there are probably some people who did well in vote-based games because of their challenges wins.

But Mole games are lame.
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The Mole is a game like anything else. Just because you don't vote people out, that doesn't mean it's not a game. If that's the case, only games of one format should be counted.

Survivor-Two or more tribes, then merged. Immunity challenges. Everyone can vote for anyone unimmuned. Someone can be voted out and not even know they were a possibility.

Big Brother-Everyone alone from the get-go. HOH and veto, so more possibilities to prove yourself challenge-wise than in Survivor. HOH nominates two people to leave. Veto can change a nominee. Everyone but the HOH and nominees can vote one of two nominees out. A nominee can go and know they could've left in the first place.

I mean, just because:

1.Mole games bore you.
2.Your detective skills are shitty.
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3.Your cozy feeling of knowing who goes when is gone.

that doesn't mean it shouldn't be counted. Like I said earlier, if one game is pulled, only games of one format should count.
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Jul 10 2010, 06:55 PM
The Mole is a game like anything else. Just because you don't vote people out, that doesn't mean it's not a game. If that's the case, only games of one format should be counted.

Survivor-Two or more tribes, then merged. Immunity challenges. Everyone can vote for anyone unimmuned. Someone can be voted out and not even know they were a possibility.

Big Brother-Everyone alone from the get-go. HOH and veto, so more possibilities to prove yourself challenge-wise than in Survivor. HOH nominates two people to leave. Veto can change a nominee. Everyone but the HOH and nominees can vote one of two nominees out. A nominee can go and know they could've left in the first place.

I mean, just because:

1.Mole games bore you.
2.Your detective skills are shitty.
and
3.Your cozy feeling of knowing who goes when is gone.

that doesn't mean it shouldn't be counted. Like I said earlier, if one game is pulled, only games of one format should count.

What gummi said. :wub:
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The Mole has challenges too....

Does that mean Colo6 shouldn't count, according to you? Or that Your Big Brother's Mole game or whatever it was? TAR games? Technically Coalition too...

And Project Greenlight.....And Will's game...
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Well CR, looks like its overwhelmingly keep at the moment. It is one area I don't have a particularly strong feeling on. I do admit it will be easier for me not to remove anything. :dance
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The mole should count FOR SURE. People still get eliminated and there are placings. Anyone who doesn't want it isn't happy with how they did.
Real Games:
Dan: Big Brother One: 1st(tie)/12
Ribby- Survivor Easter Island: 6th/18
Sam- EDPIV: 2nd/15
Matty- Stranded in Zambia: 5th/16
Wolfman- Nightmare Before Christmas: 17th/20
Sally- Vertigo 8: 17th/20
Kellie Pickler- Maadx FunHouse: 7th/19
Stephen- The Mole: 3rd/12
Ribby- EDP MVP's: 11th/15
Weasel- ILM 3: 12th/18
Yul- Survivor Redux 13: 5th/16

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The Mole: Season 2-present
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Jul 10 2010, 07:07 PM
I don't know where this idea of how Survivor is supposed to work came from. I'm pretty sure Survivor was originally created as a social experiment and how the jury/finalists operate falls within that. People who act as if the show is SUPPOSED to be about lying and backstabbing and big moves and aggressive game play definitely don't understand the original concept of Survivor.

Even some of the greatest Survivors ever, including Hatch who basically set the precedence for this "respect the game" idea, have said that Russell's game was horrible and that Natalie obviously understood how the game worked better and that THEY THEMSELVES would have voted for her. I mean you can argue forever that Russell deserved to win Samoa but to me that just shows you have a very basic understanding of the show and a very limited understanding of how people work.

THIS SO MUCH.

A strong social game is the MOST EFFECTIVE way to win these games.

People vote for who they like. And normally they like that person for some strong gameplay, but if not? Getting someone to like you is STRONG game play. Flashy moves are for people who don't understand the strengths and subtleties of a well played social game.
Paraguay - Amanda: 2/16
Vertigo 6 - Solid Snake: 1/14 WINNER
Harry Potter II - Bellatrix: 12/16 (Quit)
I Love BB Survivor - Mike: 4/18
Final Fantasy - Terra: 2/18
Samoa - Russell H: 10/20
Pixar - Marlin: 2/20
Nightclub 3 - Zookini: 2/18
HvV - Cirie: 11/20
CR's BvF - John K: 1/20 WINNER
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Chaos BB - Danielle: 9/13
Vertigo 9 - Drake: 7/18
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Jul 10 2010, 10:58 PM
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I don't know where this idea of how Survivor is supposed to work came from. I'm pretty sure Survivor was originally created as a social experiment and how the jury/finalists operate falls  within that. People who act as if the show is SUPPOSED to be about lying and backstabbing and big moves and aggressive game play definitely don't understand the original concept of Survivor.

Even some of the greatest Survivors ever, including Hatch who basically set the precedence for this "respect the game" idea, have said that Russell's game was horrible and that Natalie obviously understood how the game worked better and that THEY THEMSELVES would have voted for her. I mean you can argue forever that Russell deserved to win Samoa but to me that just shows you have a very basic understanding of the show and a very limited understanding of how people work.

THIS SO MUCH.

A strong social game is the MOST EFFECTIVE way to win these games.

People vote for who they like. And normally they like that person for some strong gameplay, but if not? Getting someone to like you is STRONG game play. Flashy moves are for people who don't understand the strengths and subtleties of a well played social game.

Love it. Yes.


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Jul 10 2010, 09:31 PM
The mole should count FOR SURE. People still get eliminated and there are placings.

LOL what kind of an argument is that? :wtf2

Obviously it wouldn't be possible to have even included it in the first place if this wasn't true.
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Jul 11 2010, 01:08 AM
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Jul 10 2010, 09:31 PM
The mole should count FOR SURE. People still get eliminated and there are placings.

LOL what kind of an argument is that? :wtf2

Obviously it wouldn't be possible to have even included it in the first place if this wasn't true.

My argument :lol:
Real Games:
Dan: Big Brother One: 1st(tie)/12
Ribby- Survivor Easter Island: 6th/18
Sam- EDPIV: 2nd/15
Matty- Stranded in Zambia: 5th/16
Wolfman- Nightmare Before Christmas: 17th/20
Sally- Vertigo 8: 17th/20
Kellie Pickler- Maadx FunHouse: 7th/19
Stephen- The Mole: 3rd/12
Ribby- EDP MVP's: 11th/15
Weasel- ILM 3: 12th/18
Yul- Survivor Redux 13: 5th/16

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The Mole: Season 2-present
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Mole games don't count? :wtf2 Last time I checked this was Games That Suck, not Survivor Games that Suck.

Should Mole games count in the rankings - absolutely.

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Thank you, Emcee! All formats, no matter what, should count. The way you put it, only straight up 16 people, two tribes one swap merge at 10 with no II should count.
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