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| <span style=foulmouthedleon | Dec 30 2009, 12:09 PM Post #1 |
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Since these mini games seem to be all the rage, I was wondering what exactly differentiates a mini game from a real game? I ran a game a few years back called "Survivor SOLO" that ran 10 or 11 days (I can't remember how long exactly) and it's counted as a full game in the rankings. Yet these mini games that have been going on don't count. So my question is as the subject suggests: what is the difference or maybe the "cut off line" between a mini game and a full-fledged game? *waits to hear all the comments about Survivor SOLO* |
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Dec 30 2009, 12:18 PM Post #2 |
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Well, the cast has to agree beforehand to count the game as a real game. If they do that, it should count. Of course, we should probably have a player limit to prevent a few people from getting together and running a 3-person game just to fuck with the rankings. |
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| <span style=Martrae | Dec 30 2009, 12:19 PM Post #3 |
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I think it's the caliber of the players. /ducks :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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| <span style=island sun | Dec 30 2009, 12:38 PM Post #4 |
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Amount of time that goes into planning?
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| <span style=CatLurvesDorothy | Dec 30 2009, 02:22 PM Post #5 |
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Hungry. ;_;
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Um, these minis have been, like, one night affairs where half the players fall asleep without voting. |
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| <span style=Shalomo | Dec 30 2009, 02:25 PM Post #6 |
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I don't think these should be put in the rankings. Why? Because I don't. They're just...eh. |
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| <span style=Quiddity | Dec 30 2009, 05:58 PM Post #7 |
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The reason I've excluded them is from an effort and logistics standpoint, I just don't see them as being comparable to regular lengthed ORGs. In a 1 to 2 day game the social game is likely to have a much less significant effect. In addition, such games likely go on for such a long time in a single night that people are much more likely to quit or not show than in regular games. I think someone winning a 1 or 2 day ORG is not comparable in any way to a person winning a 4-5 week long ORG. Agreeing to rank it beforehand in my mind is irrelevant, because I'd say it skews the rankings potentially in either direction. Should someone with a couple of good showings, but them only being in a 1 or 2 day ORG be ranked higher than people who have done fairly good, but only in regular ORGs? Obviously something like Pixar Survivor is much more tough as it was promoted as a joke game going into it and I got the impression that it went on longer than it was supposed to. I'd be inclined to rank it if it wasn't essentially agreed to beforehand that it was a joke game and that it wouldn't be included. I don't think the number of players really matters. The ranking is weighed on the number of participants. Really the only person who would get screwed would be the dead last person. If you win a 3 person game, great, but you're only gonna get a 0.3333 factored into your rankings, because you competed against only 2 other people. The more people you beat the better it reflects in your ranking. My preference would be no more mini ORG at all (moreso because of the fact that it may screw up casting/participation in regular ORGs rather than how to fit them into the rankings), although they do seem rather popular so I'm sure that will never happen. Hopefully its just a short term fad during a slow ORG period at the end of the year. At the very least you will never see me participate in one. |
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| emcee batley | Dec 30 2009, 06:03 PM Post #8 |
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I say nay, although some do deserve more credit than they receive. It's not the same as an AIM mini and the only people who criticize them are people who haven't played in one. Planning does go into them and the result is a condensed version of an actual ORG. Competitions in a game/TC usually wind up taking two hours of time. What you get here is all that closed in together to form a 6 to 12 hour straight game. However, the fact the social environment is much different and a lot more rushed and takes less time then a 3-4-5 week lengthed ORG is enough to put them in a different category all together. So, Mini's shouldn't be ranked in the same categories as normal ORGs but should be in an alternative category. Real game, sure. Real ORG, not so much. In fact, I propose a forum specifically tailored for mini's. |
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| <span style=Blondzilla5150 | Dec 30 2009, 08:24 PM Post #9 |
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I have to agree with Emcee here on some of what he said. As someone who has hosted three minis so far I can attest that a decent amout of planning and work goes into them. Sure some can be set up and ready to go in a day. But like Emcee said, it's not like an AIM game. AT ALL. Setting up the board, making avis and getting casting done in a day is a workload. I have done in a day or two what regular hosts take weeks to do. So yeah, I have no life but also, it is work. And as for people falling asleep or not voting at FTCs, that's because they are lazy bitches who apparently can't or don't read when I and others hosting have asked them to prevote. So that is on THEM. It has nothing to do with the game as a whole. So even bringing that up is irrelavent. When people sign up, they know full well it will run the hours it does, they are told over and over to prevote for the winner or prevote if they need to go and haven't been booted yet. But some just don't do it, however, a lot of them do and we always have at least 7 people voting for a winner in each game. The minis should NOT count in the regular ORG rankings. If I or the bulk of us thought they should, I would not have started a MINI ORG Ranking thread. ((and this was done because the players in the minis requested it. They want their efforts to be acknowleged and noted in these games, and it will be.)) Just like Emcee said, they should have an alternate ranking. An alternate area may be a good idea too, if they continue on, and if people who are running big games don't like that they take over the "Other ORGS" area. As for the minis screwing up casting for other games, I have to disagree. They only last a couple of days and people are allowed to join and play as many games as they want to at the same time. There is no cap on how many games you can be in at once. And many people multitask all the time. If they are just a fad and die out when the bigger games start up again here soon, that's fine. But I think as long as people want to play in them, they will continue to go on. |
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Dec 30 2009, 08:44 PM Post #10 |
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I hosted Pixar Survivor, and even though it may not have been the most well-executed game in the world, sure, I put work into putting it together. That doesn't mean I think it's in any way comparable to a game that spans the course of several weeks and takes considerably more devotion and commitment from its players. If someone like Blondie wants to put together rankings for these "joke" games, that's nice and I support it (especially since my ranking in such a list is sure to be phenomenal). But it needs to be taken in a very casual, laid-back sense. Minis are an alternative to the "real" games. They're something everyone goes into knowing they don't have to play at 100%. And half the cast doesn't. So take them in stride, let people put them together when they wish, and chat about them however you want (although with how popular they seem to be, I think minis should have gotten their own section on these forums by now). But we all know what the difference between a mini and a serious game is, and so our "official" rankings can reflect that difference easily enough. |
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| <span style=Blondzilla5150 | Dec 30 2009, 08:48 PM Post #11 |
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Why is this even a debate or being brought up like this? Seriously? Who asked that the one/two day minis be reflected in the regular ORG Rankings? This is not an argument and shouldn't even go on this long. Us who want to host and play in mini ORGs will do so. And there is a rankings thread for them now. I didn't compare the work load of putting on a regular game and a mini game, I just said there IS also lots of work involved in it. I think this conversation shouldn't go on forever, there is no need for it. People don't like the minis springing up and won't play in them ever, that's fine. *please* don't. But this is just all irrelavant bullshit. Unless you guys really are so bored you need something to bitch about? I dunno.
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| <span style=island sun | Dec 30 2009, 09:53 PM Post #12 |
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You do realize that this is one of the foundations on which this place is built?
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| <span style=Alffmix | Dec 30 2009, 10:23 PM Post #13 |
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I think there should be a new forum just for minis and everything should happen in there : rankings, ads for the games, discussions, etc...and I also don't think they should be counted as real games for our official GTS rankings. If any of you ever says Mario Party wasn't a real game because it was 10 people, I will make a Yoshi eat you and poop you out as an egg.
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| <span style=GnarlsOakley | Dec 30 2009, 10:34 PM Post #14 |
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WWLVD?
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I think if I do good in a mini it should count in the ranking. If I do bad in one then it's meaningless and should be thrown out. Minis that I am not involved it should take into account those ranked around me and if they do good it should not count. If those ranked around me do bad it should count double. |
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| <span style=Blondzilla5150 | Dec 30 2009, 10:45 PM Post #15 |
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Gnarls! :lol: And again, to Alffy and the others, seriously, there does not have to be a vote or a decree or whatever the fuck else to make sure they are not listed in the regular ORG rankings, NO ONE IS TRYING TO GET THEM LISTED THERE! And Sunny, you're right, what was I thinking? Silly me.
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| emcee batley | Dec 30 2009, 11:01 PM Post #16 |
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I think we should rape a mother fucker. |
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| <span style=Alffmix | Dec 30 2009, 11:10 PM Post #17 |
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| <span style=Blondzilla5150 | Dec 30 2009, 11:12 PM Post #18 |
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| <span style=foulmouthedleon | Dec 30 2009, 11:25 PM Post #19 |
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I've got nothing against minis, hell I was considering hosting one and I'd like to play in one. I'd much rather do a game in three days than three weeks. Still, that doesn't take away from a hosting standpoint that you still have to set the board up, recruit players, have challenges, etc. I say more power to you as a player or a host. I just wanted some clarification as to how they counted. That's not to say that the winner of a mini is any more or less deserving than someone who dedicated a few weeks of their time to a "real" game. Obviously this debate could (and probably will) go back and forth, but as we become more and more active in any and all sorts of games, it's good to have guidelines. |
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| emcee batley | Dec 30 2009, 11:43 PM Post #20 |
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