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I HAVE A CONFESSION; Part Two
Topic Started: Jun 26 2010, 08:18 AM (3,987 Views)
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I'll fix up your rankings next time a game ends. Not really sure what to do with the Guatamala thing. Part of me says I should give you the dead last place in that game for cheating, but then again, killing your ranking is what you want so its not really punishment. :P I don't think I've done anything different regarding cheating to this point though. Not really sure what to do there.

I played in both Redux Guat and Survivor Alaska (in fact picked you to be on my tribe first round in Alaska before you quit...) as well. Guatemala still is my worst ORG finish ever and if I remember correctly you vanishing had a hand in that since you were an ally of mine. Although it may not have made a difference, I may have gone unanimously. Can't remember. Very hard for me to remember much from that game.

Oh, and :wub: you, but MG's 100% right.
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I was just trying to make it dramatic. Plus I was busy. There was no guilt involved in me putting this off.

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I really don't care. If I found out now that I had accidentally given some insignificant, inactive, early boot in one of my games that happened two years ago Lurker access, I would be indifferent. It's over and done with.
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I should give you the dead last place in that game


Please do! But I didn't cheat.
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You broke the most cardinal rule in ORGs, the anonimity. You had access to every single player's confessionals and could read all of their secrets and strategies within them. I don't see how that's not cheating. :shrug You intentionally signed up for the game, not expecting to be gone a week, did you not?
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Probably woulda been best to just not log into the lurker account if you weren't gonna read confessionals anyway. :shrug

But this is fun. :popcorn
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Jun 29 2010, 12:49 AM
I'll fix up your rankings next time a game ends. Not really sure what to do with the Guatamala thing. Part of me says I should give you the dead last place in that game for cheating, but then again, killing your ranking is what you want so its not really punishment. :P I don't think I've done anything different regarding cheating to this point though. Not really sure what to do there.

PT still has his second place finish in Double Trouble and he actually logged into a juror account.....



just saying...
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Indeed. Remember that well, it being my first game ever after all. :P And there's other instances (or accused instances) where they have their regular placing in there. Whatever I do, gotta be consistent. Not sure what to do. :shrug
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Eh, I don't really know what to say to convince anyone I didn't look.

If I was looking, don't you think I'd have played some kind of masterful game where I was dominating and in complete control?

Rafe was a clueless trainwreck who's game was virtually over before my internet even went down.
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If you didn't cheat as Rafe, I could've gotten better than 10th, even though you were out rounds before that!

I demand this be taken out of my ranking!
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Jun 29 2010, 12:10 AM
Indeed. Remember that well, it being my first game ever after all. :P And there's other instances (or accused instances) where they have their regular placing in there. Whatever I do, gotta be consistent. Not sure what to do. :shrug

My big problem is that by dropping people who admit to past cheating you're in my opinion encouraging people to hide it, since there are probably many many many undiscovered cases of cheating.
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I definitely cheated in Survivor Kiribati sooooo that should probably be taken off the rankings
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Jun 29 2010, 12:24 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 12:10 AM
Indeed. Remember that well, it being my first game ever after all. :P And there's other instances (or accused instances) where they have their regular placing in there. Whatever I do, gotta be consistent. Not sure what to do.  :shrug

My big problem is that by dropping people who admit to past cheating you're in my opinion encouraging people to hide it, since there are probably many many many undiscovered cases of cheating.

I agree. I kind of praise Rudy for having the balls to do this.
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Having the balls to do what? He didn't admit to cheating, that is the problem. He left out the lurking in a game he was playing in his initial post and is refusing to admit it was wrong.
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Yeah he totally didn't admit to it, MG was the one who brought it up.

And I think it's dumb to say "people shouldn't be punished for cheating bc then more people won't admit they cheated". Does that make any sense? No.

So people should just cheat and then brag about it. -_-
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This is like patting someone on the back for maintaining sobriety for a month, when everyone else never started drinking in the first place.

That said, congrats Rudy.

I knew this a long time ago, but I am glad you did this.

My Sekou is officially the best.
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Jun 29 2010, 01:14 AM
Yeah he totally didn't admit to it, MG was the one who brought it up.

And I think it's dumb to say "people shouldn't be punished for cheating bc then more people won't admit they cheated". Does that make any sense? No.

So people should just cheat and then brag about it. -_-

My point is that there's probably a few instances of cheating that have never been uncovered that will go unpunished, which doesn't seem fair to me.

That and it's a slippery slope. What is and isn't cheating has always been a grey area.
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Jun 29 2010, 02:17 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 01:14 AM
Yeah he totally didn't admit to it, MG was the one who brought it up.

And I think it's dumb to say "people shouldn't be punished for cheating bc then more people won't admit they cheated".  Does that make any sense?  No.

So people should just cheat and then brag about it. -_-

My point is that there's probably a few instances of cheating that have never been uncovered that will go unpunished, which doesn't seem fair to me.

That and it's a slippery slope. What is and isn't cheating has always been a grey area.

Yeah but if someone admits it, that doesn't mean nothing should be done.

Probably the fairest thing is to just not count that game for them. Other than the rankings, I don't see what else could be done.
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Jun 29 2010, 01:17 AM
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Jun 29 2010, 01:14 AM
Yeah he totally didn't admit to it, MG was the one who brought it up.

And I think it's dumb to say "people shouldn't be punished for cheating bc then more people won't admit they cheated".  Does that make any sense?  No.

So people should just cheat and then brag about it. -_-

My point is that there's probably a few instances of cheating that have never been uncovered that will go unpunished, which doesn't seem fair to me.

That and it's a slippery slope. What is and isn't cheating has always been a grey area.

Do you really think people can't kind of tell when there's been an instance of cheating? I agree that there is nothing a host can do unless people admit it so if you are worried about people "going unpunished", that's not gonna change. But I do think a lot of the time people tell on themselves.

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Removing it from the rankings would in some cases be a reward.

I for sure think that there is some cheating that goes unnoticed.

My suggestion is to just leave cheating alone when it comes to the rankings.
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Jun 29 2010, 01:35 AM
I for sure think that there is some cheating that goes unnoticed.


You are probably right. :( I think another scenario is that I think a lot of times it is suspected but not acted on bc there is no proof.

I have no opinion on the rankings bc I don't know what the solution would be.
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