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I HAVE A CONFESSION; Part Two
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My big problem is that by dropping people who admit to past cheating you're in my opinion encouraging people to hide it, since there are probably many many many undiscovered cases of cheating.


As if people aren't already hiding it? It took Rudy 2 years to admit to this, it took him quite a long time to admit to playing under another ghostie to protect his #2 ranking as well. Oh, and he didn't admit to cheating, he would have kept it secret had MG not brought it up.

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My point is that there's probably a few instances of cheating that have never been uncovered that will go unpunished, which doesn't seem fair to me.

That and it's a slippery slope. What is and isn't cheating has always been a grey area.


If anyone's aware of cheating, they should bring it up. Its more than just the rankings, if you're aware of someone cheating and you keep it quiet to protect them, you're just as bad as they are. I know I for one would not let anyone whose cheated in the past in a game I hosted, and I'm sure there are many other people out there who feel the same and would like to know that to prevent any cheating in their game. Just because a cheater keeps things quiet doesn't mean all cheaters should benefit.

There's some cheating you're never gonna be able to prove; for example people conversing via AIM in challenges in open-ID games. But in cases like this where its clear cut there's no grey area. Being both a player and a lurker is about as black and white as you can get.

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Probably the fairest thing is to just not count that game for them. Other than the rankings, I don't see what else could be done.


That would benefit people in some instances though. Rudy for example would get a higher ranking if Redux Guatemala was not counted. Best thing logistically in my mind is to give them a dead last placing for that game, and keep everyone else's placing for that game the same.
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You can't alter the rankings with any subjective criteria, Quid. They're already superficial; adding in extra qualifiers makes them a huge farce. Fact is, there's plenty of cheating that goes undetected. And most of the times that the incidents of cheating are unearthed, they affect the game accordingly, before the rankings are ever determined. For example, I was already punished for cheating in Double Trouble by being ejected immediately after I made my mistake. And that's what happens with most incidents. There's some sort of punishment, or it's dealt with in some way. Going back and retrospectively altering rankings based on the reported cheating incidents you've heard of is both a hassle and a joke.

That being said, it's not like I really give a shit. Sending my ranking lower is fine by me. And you'd probably find that for most admitted cheaters, it's the same. ^_^

Oh, and Rudy, come on dude, you screwed up with the Guatemala shit. You being longcat is pretty much unsurprising, but you shouldn't have ever accessed that lurker account, that's obvious. No biggie because the effects on the game were minimal, but it was definitely a bad judgment call.
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I'm sure Rudy knows that it was a wrong and shitty thing to do. That being said, trashing him over and over won't help so let's leave him alone and bash someone more deserving like afe.

I've known he was LongCat since like forever, but I didn't even put it together that Sekou was him in V2 until I was talking to someone about it on AIM not too long ago, I forget who. And I also didn't remember about Guatemala since I tend not to remember every little details of games, even though I happened to win that one.

By all accounts, Rafe and Sekou were both horrible "players" in the game which was probably Rudy's point in the first place, no? Let us pray and move on. This is like so 2007.
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I cheated in Survivor: Final Fantasy. Please remove it from my ranking.


Oh wait, I didn't cheat, but everybody else did. :ew
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Nobody is trashing Rudy. Just because he doesn't like what is being said doesn't mean it is not a fair point. At this point the thread isn't so much about Rudy as it is about cheating in general.

I stopped playing for a number of reasons, but one of the main ones was I got tired of recognizing posters in games- and if I recognize them so does everyone else bc I don't know people here as well as others do. To me, making yourself so obvious that someone you barely know recognizes you completely ruins the point of playing anon games. And that is the most grey type of cheating there is- the "people will trust me/vote for me if they know it's me" cheat. More clear forms of cheating- communicating with friends on AIM or with jurors or being two people in the same game...why should people even bother to play if this type of thing happens again and again? It makes it very hard for some people to want to devote a month of their time, knowing they are taking a risk that they can't compete with those who aren't following the rules.

Judging by the responses in this thread, everyone gets frustrated by the cheating, but nothing is going to change. That's fine, but driving off a portion of your potential players by continually looking the other way is just going to increase the likelihood of players recognizing one another and that affecting the game.

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Glad you finally admitted this shit, Rudy! Maybe you don't remember, but back in the day, you told me that 2 people would log in and play as Wario, in Mario Party. Since the game was over, I brushed it off but always was kind of confused about it. Glad it was just you all along now...I can say I had a spnintendo/Rudy F2 in one of my games! :wub:


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Rafe was completely clueless about everything that was going on, which should prove I wasn't reading what people were saying about me. The fact that I was given a lurker account and logged into it means absolutely nothing.

It had zero relevance on this game, and that's that.


I don't get it though. You got your lurker account at the start of the game, with your Rafe account too? So you purposely cheated and there's no way of knowing if you didn't log into confessionals. It just makes me think you realized you were on the outs and gave up on the game. I dunno. I ain't accusing you of anything but it just seems like that. I have mad respect for you though, so if you say you didn't, then fine.

I remember you actually trying with Rafe though. It's sad, but you were one of my closest allies before you went AWOL, and your presence definitely affected the outcome of the game. I was so confident in our Lydia (Quid)/Rafe (Rudy)/Jamie (Alffmix) alliance that I didn't bother to make more alliances on my tribe. And I put a lot of effort in that game too. But I will blame my own mistakes for my semi-lame 8th place, like telling Brian that Gary/Brianna were running the tribe. Still dunno wtf I was thinking. :shrug

You screwed up there, in Redux Guat, but I ain't mad about it, personally. But you should apologize to SFan249 for treating him like shit, especially for not telling him you wanted to quit. It's just a slap in the face for people in the game who are actually trying and for the host who puts the game together. I think everyone will forgive you though, but you know it like me, there's nothing more annoying for a host than someone who doesn't seem to give a crap about the beautiful game you've put together.



Other than that lurker shit, the rest was fine, imo. Especially Wario, which you gave your all with. If you're gonna play with a ghostie (which I don't agree with, but whatever), at least try with it. And you did. And you were a great Wario.
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You've contributed SO much to this community and to this forum, with your Vertigo series and your epic performances. So in the end...who fucking cares about Longcat and his wild antics. You're still fucking Rudy and you're awesome.
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^ agreed w/ the last part. Rudy doesn't bother anyone. And I love his black ass.

SO WHAT?
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Maybe I should be more upset about Guatemala, I dunno. I'm not. It didn't have much of an impact and it was my own fault for not checking IPs, but I didn't really expect anyone to cheat or trick me like that so ...
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Nobody is trashing Rudy. Just because he doesn't like what is being said doesn't mean it is not a fair point. At this point the thread isn't so much about Rudy as it is about cheating in general.

I stopped playing for a number of reasons, but one of the main ones was I got tired of recognizing posters in games- and if I recognize them so does everyone else bc I don't know people here as well as others do. To me, making yourself so obvious that someone you barely know recognizes you completely ruins the point of playing anon games. And that is the most grey type of cheating there is- the "people will trust me/vote for me if they know it's me" cheat. More clear forms of cheating- communicating with friends on AIM or with jurors or being two people in the same game...why should people even bother to play if this type of thing happens again and again? It makes it very hard for some people to want to devote a month of their time, knowing they are taking a risk that they can't compete with those who aren't following the rules.

Judging by the responses in this thread, everyone gets frustrated by the cheating, but nothing is going to change. That's fine, but driving off a portion of your potential players by continually looking the other way is just going to increase the likelihood of players recognizing one another and that affecting the game.

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Everyone playing should try their best to hide ID because it just puts a black cloud over things for everyone. I've been in games where that has screwed me over in some way so it's frustrating and lame.
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Well to me that about settles it. The host is the only person who I think gets a serious say in the matter about what was ok with him or not. Everyone else is just casting stones.
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oh, I see. so as long as the host is ok with it, it's fine? In that case, Farrah wins season 3 of ILM. Quid, please update the rankings. I'm ok with my own cheating to give her this win so no one should have any problem with it, and if you do, you're casting stones.
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That's not even near to what I meant.
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I haven't posted here in a while because this community is shitty, and unbearable half the time.

You guys getting all hot and bothered because of something Rudy confessed is annoying *you guys bash me* oh noes. Who the fuck cares, he made a mistake get over it. I hope you realize you're wasting your time arguing over a matter that's never going to change, no matter how much bitching you wanna do.

And... I mean it's online, can you get anymore pathetic?

So...

LEAVE RUDY ALONE. :lbf
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Oh and while I'm back on this site I signed up for Rudy's V9 game and we agreed to have me play as Drake under a ghostie until I decided to drop out. So yeah ts2 you can see why I was vocal about you or Rudy not handing me a lurker account for the game because I didn't want to be deemed cheating.
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Jun 29 2010, 07:23 PM
I haven't posted here in a while because this community is shitty, and unbearable half the time.

You guys getting all hot and bothered because of something Rudy confessed is annoying *you guys bash me* oh noes. Who the fuck cares, he made a mistake get over it. I hope you realize you're wasting your time arguing over a matter that's never going to change, no matter how much bitching you wanna do.

And... I mean it's online, can you get anymore pathetic?

So...

LEAVE RUDY ALONE. :lbf

So you're defending your cheating?
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I haven't posted here in a while because this community is shitty, and unbearable half the time.

You guys getting all hot and bothered because of something Rudy confessed is annoying *you guys bash me* oh noes. Who the fuck cares, he made a mistake get over it. I hope you realize you're wasting your time arguing over a matter that's never going to change, no matter how much bitching you wanna do.

And... I mean it's online, can you get anymore pathetic?

So...

LEAVE RUDY ALONE. :lbf

So you're defending your cheating?

I was approached from others during your All-stars game, and you know you're decisions are biased as hell. I mean you know it, and everyone knows it. Which is why Sninja freaked out on you.

However this is a completely different matter, but thanks for trying to start drama with me so soon Shal, so appreciated. ;)
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aras I KNOW you are not talking about someone being pathetic online. You cheat more than any.fucking.person here. Don't even get me started but you need to just sit back and go stalk some more profiles because you are sooooo out of place.
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aras I KNOW you are not talking about someone being pathetic online. You cheat more than any.fucking.person here. Don't even get me started but you need to just sit back and go stalk some more profiles because you are sooooo out of place.

Oh my gooooooood I'm so scared of you. *cries*

You're delusional as hell.

You cheat more than anyone here and it will revealed how soon, just gotta find my IM logs.
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I haven't posted here in a while because this community is shitty, and unbearable half the time.

You guys getting all hot and bothered because of something Rudy confessed is annoying *you guys bash me* oh noes. Who the fuck cares, he made a mistake get over it. I hope you realize you're wasting your time arguing over a matter that's never going to change, no matter how much bitching you wanna do.

And... I mean it's online, can you get anymore pathetic?

So...

LEAVE RUDY ALONE. :lbf

So you're defending your cheating?

I was approached from others during your All-stars game, and you know you're decisions are biased as hell. I mean you know it, and everyone knows it. Which is why Sninja freaked out on you.

However this is a completely different matter, but thanks for trying to start drama with me so soon Shal, so appreciated. ;)

God you're so stupid and caught up in your own shit.
I got a conversation with TIME on it showing you approaching Emcee on AIM. Which is retarded on its own account because you were on this same tribe and could have just PMed.

Then when you realized that your ship was sunk, you claimed that three people had approached you. But you would only show me one, and it happened to be my good friend Mikester. Obviously you did this to put me in a bad situation, and that shows how shady you are. But, problem was, there was no proof that that conversation took place during the game. I had no evidence to kick him out. And on top of that, you not showing me the others is just obvious that you are trying to ruin me.

I always try to give you a chance but then you go on your sociopaths swings and you're just unbearable.
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