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| Jeff P3 | Nov 22 2010, 03:23 PM Post #141 |
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I'm not saying or thinking this season is boring at all. You're blowing it out of proportion. NatKat are the only absolutely boring team to me right now. That doesn't really have an affect on my opinion of the season as a whole. Compare them to the other strong FF team that's doing well, Brooke and Claire. I find them much more entertaining and they are probably my favorite team remaining, and I hope they win. NatKat = Pleasant and strong Brooke and Claire = Entertaining and strong There is a major difference, hence why I am rooting for one team over another. And we aren't in the days anymore where horrible fighting couples dominate the show. That's how it used to be to an extent, but not now. Look at TAR14 for example, which was a relatively recent season - the first four eliminations were all couples. I found that to be hilarious and ironic. On top of that, the first team eliminated was the only true fighting couple of that season. TAR15 also had a lack of a fighting couple make it to the second half of the race. |
 
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| <span style=Yope | Nov 22 2010, 04:22 PM Post #142 |
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Jeff must be taking crazy pills to think Nat and Kat are more boring than Jill and Thomas. |
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| <span style=twiggy | Nov 22 2010, 04:37 PM Post #143 |
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| <span style=crazyalexi | Nov 22 2010, 04:50 PM Post #144 |
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I think Nat/Kat aren't boring, but when you compare them to Brook and Claire, they come across as dull. With any less entertaining F/F team, they would be seen as a lot better |
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Nov 22 2010, 04:53 PM Post #145 |
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This is a stupid argument for all the reasons Kyle and Jeff have pointed out.
Nat & Kat don't do anything. They don't say clever things, they don't make dumb mistakes, they don't show innovative strategies, they don't fight with anyone they encounter, they don't have generally over-the-top personalities. The only reason to watch them is to see if they'll succeed, and that's only due to their gender (and TAR's history). In comparison, Thomas is somewhat aggressive and totally arrogant. Jill is hot as hell and pretty dumb. Their entire dynamic rests on the fact that Thomas is educated and doesn't have much respect for Jill's intellectual capacities, whereas Jill is not very witty and is insecure about the cognitive gap between the two of them. It doesn't come out as much as I'd like, but it does surface every once in a while, and when it does, it's amusing. ETA: Nat & Kat are like Dustin & Kandace without any of the energy and drive. |
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| <span style=Yope | Nov 22 2010, 05:18 PM Post #146 |
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I have never gotten the idea that Thomas was smarter than Jill or that either of them are intelligent for that matter. Where you came up with this "cognitive gap," I have no idea. No one else has ever mentioned that dynamic in this thread, so IDK where you came up with that. I don't even remember that in their opener. When I watch the race, I like to see competent teams do well. Nat and Kat were cast because they are intelligent and athletic. In fact, that was essentially how they were set up to be portrayed by the editing team. They are not "friends," they are "doctors." Editing has clearly given them a positive edit, as if you read any news articles about the race, many of the comments are "Brooke and Claire or Nat and Kat FTW!" While it's obvious that Brooke and Claire are the stars, arguing that the dating team has more editing appeal or make better TV is laughable! Honestly, I can't remember a single thing that Jill and Thomas have done that was "good TV" during this race. Maybe the drama of, "do I use this express pass?" I can remember the Fast Forward task being challenging for the doctors (she was a vegetarian and scarfed that meat down, how are you forgetting that?) I remember that they got an awful cab in the second leg, and they have been at risk of elimination a few times most notably that race with Gary/Mallory. Oh and Nat's afraid of heights has come up several times on this race. Have Jill and Thomas ever even been referenced in the "next time on" section of the show, the part that is supposed to show where the biggest drama in the next leg arises? I'm pretty sure that even when they used the express pass they weren't mentioned. |
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| <span style=Yope | Nov 22 2010, 05:23 PM Post #147 |
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Also, I want to clarify, I'm not arguing that Brooke and Claire or Nick and Vicki are on par with the doctors, those two teams are FAR better than the doctors, but the doctors are FAR better than Jill and Thomas. And it's not even like the editors are doing the standard, "we're going to be the first female winners ever" edit for Nat/Kat like you're making it out to look like, PT. They had one confessional early int he season where they say, "we'd like to be the first FF winners" and then we never heard about that want again. |
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Nov 22 2010, 05:38 PM Post #148 |
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It came up earlier in the race. Thomas is a college graduate, and that makes Jill feel like she needs to prove to him that she has a brain too. If you missed that confessional, though, I can see why you wouldn't have picked up on those interactions. Like I said, it doesn't come out nearly as often as I would like.
I understand that, it can be fun to see (and it's one of the reasons Colin & Christie are my favorite team of all time). But Nat & Kat haven't really done anything that impressive, as far as I've seen. They haven't found any hidden flights, they haven't come up with clever ways to finish tasks, they haven't pulled off any amazing physical feats. They've just won a few legs and haven't made any enormous mistakes (except for getting totally lost in the Oman leg, which almost got them eliminated over Malory and her dad).
Yeah, the editors haven't focused on them doing anything dumb or mean, so of course they're going to be fan favorites. They get a lot of narration and are often shown being nice and happy. But that's not particularly fascinating to me.
Yup, Kat's a vegetarian and they were the one team given the meat-eating task. But she got through it without too much trouble. It wasn't really at all noteworthy in the grand scheme of things. Then you have Nat's fear of heights, which I think they've managed to avoid entirely throughout most of the race? Not to mention the fact that half the people on the race on any given season have a huge fear of heights. And a team getting lost and almost getting eliminated is not something that makes me root for them or want to see more of them...especially when they're totally calm about the whole thing.
Nope, they haven't been involved in any of the major developments in the race. They've generally done well and haven't been involved in any conflicts or suspense. But honestly, this entire season has been fairly boring without too many events of note. The fact that the best material the promo editors had for an episode was "Kat's a vegetarian, yet she will soon have to eat meat (which she does with minimal hesitation)!" doesn't do much to persuade me that Nat & Kat are an entertaining team to watch compete.  I don't much care for Jill & Thomas, and I don't think they've added much to the race. I'd rather see Nat & Kat win just so that we'll finally have our female winners out of the way. But when it comes down to it, they're both pretty dull teams. The only difference I can see is that Jill & Thomas have a little bit of drama in their team dynamic and a little bit of conflict in their personalities. Nat & Kat, on the other hand, don't even have that. |
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| <span style=twiggy | Nov 22 2010, 05:53 PM Post #149 |
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| <span style=Yope | Nov 22 2010, 07:39 PM Post #150 |
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Yeah, I guess you're right, Nat and Kat and Jill and Thomas are both pretty blah so it's not worth getting worked up over. Both remain calm when they fuck up (and when they don't fuck up as well). I think the meat thing made an impression on me because I know that vegetarians who eat meat often get very ill because they don't have the enzymes to digest it, so I was surprised she so willingly gorged herself. But in truth, that scene provided minimal entertainment, so you're kind of right about them just being there. But you've sort of convinced me now that they have a shot at winning, since generally the boring teams are the winners of the season. Now I'm a little less sure whether it'll be Nat and Kat or Jill and Thomas.... |
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| <span style=Brightside | Nov 22 2010, 08:18 PM Post #151 |
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People still watch this show? 
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| Jeff P3 | Nov 22 2010, 08:22 PM Post #152 |
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This is probably the one and only thing I like about Jill and Thomas. Usually it's about a girl trying to prove that she's as strong as her boyfriend, or can take the leadership role like their man can. It's a pretty interesting setup but, as PT said, unfortunately is almost never mentioned. Though if you remember the original confessional about it early in the season, you kind of see them in a slightly different light. But let's be real, Jill and Thomas aren't exactly riveting TV. They'll probably win and I won't care one way or the other. |
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| <span style=Yope | Nov 22 2010, 09:07 PM Post #153 |
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I watch this show to support people getting free trips around the world. |
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| <span style=madhackrviper | Nov 22 2010, 11:01 PM Post #154 |
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Jill is NOT hot as hell. Such a plastic waste PT. I'm disappoint that you'd be attracted to her. Not even the best looking female on the season. Jill and Thomas would be the dreaded winner for me. Nat and Kat, while lacking in charisma and entertainment, are possibly the most likeable team on the show ever. It's not just pleasentness. They are just really likeable. But I'm rooting for Brook/Claire ever since Mallorygoddess was out. |
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| <span style=Mister Plum | Nov 22 2010, 11:35 PM Post #155 |
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I'm with you but I used to love this show. I'm prolly just busy for TAR now. |
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| <span style=Kyle | Nov 22 2010, 11:35 PM Post #156 |
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What do you mean by "It's not just pleasantness they really are likable"? And they're the most likable team on the show ever but you yourself aren't rooting for them? 
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| <span style=madhackrviper | Nov 23 2010, 02:05 AM Post #157 |
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Likeable doesn't really mean "the team I like the most". They're likeable without real depth or charisma. I'd rather a less likeable team with more depth/charisma win. Like Brooke/Claire. I don't LIKE them as much as Nat/Kat but they have more charisma for sure. |
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| <span style=beatles20147 | Nov 23 2010, 02:50 AM Post #158 |
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You usually have the second-best taste in hot chicks at GTS but I cannot condone false statements like this  Anyway, I hope the female teams lose. I don't have a huge preference between the couples, although I probably slightly prefer Nick/Vicki. |
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| <span style=Kyle | Nov 23 2010, 01:16 PM Post #159 |
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No "likable" doesn't mean that, but "most likable team ever" does. So then what's likable about them other than their pleasantness if they don't have any depth or charisma? 
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Nov 23 2010, 02:03 PM Post #160 |
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... What Kyle said. |
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