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| <span style=IANCD | Mar 9 2011, 11:10 AM Post #421 |
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It wasn't her getting rid of tina per se, it was that she basically made it impossible for 4 people to play the game. Rich, Tina, Ethan and Jenna M were doomed form the start, because Jenna L decided that they deserve to get a second change because they had already won. Imagine if that same mentality existed in HvV. Tom, JT, Sandra and Parvati were all crucial to the storyline and the game play of Parv and Sandra was actually pretty impressive. Imagine if they had all been gone before the merge because everyone decided that they didn't deserve to play again? It would have ruined the season. The fact is, Jenna L doomed ASS from the start by deciding that the four best players there wouldn't even get to play. And that ruined it. |
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| messiebessie | Mar 9 2011, 11:11 AM Post #422 |
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Besides the fact that people had the option to ignore her. And Richard and Jenna weren't even on her tribe. Those two and Ethan didn't even leave because of her "get winners out" mentality so that's super ridiculous. |
| arasfromexile (11:55:08 PM): showing you gts will forever be my biggest mistake of our past friendship | |
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| messiebessie | Mar 9 2011, 11:12 AM Post #423 |
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BTW thanks for the new avatar T18 <3 |
| arasfromexile (11:55:08 PM): showing you gts will forever be my biggest mistake of our past friendship | |
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| <span style=KOCy | Mar 9 2011, 11:58 AM Post #424 |
I don't know if you wanna eat my sweaty-ass butter.
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This. The only victim of the "vote out the winners" strategy was Tina. Then again, Tina and Rudy were obviously the first two boots of that tribe so Jenna really didn't change anything. :rolleyes: |
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Mar 9 2011, 12:11 PM Post #425 |
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Yes, actually. It's not even the whole awful mentality she endorsed. It's simply the fact that Tina outlasting Jenna would have made the season better. Even if you don't like Tina and find her boring, JLew was unbearable throughout ASS and didn't have much of a direct effect on the game after her stint on Saboga (besides paving the way for Romber to dominate). I don't even think she played poorly, it was just that she was soooo annoying to watch. Both her and Alicia were absolutely disgusting. Plus if Jenna and Rudy were the first two boots (I think there's a chance Rudy actually would have survived being the second person voted off if Tina endured the first TC, but we'll ignore that because it's kinda irrelevant), Tina probably would have taken Jerri's place on Mogo Mogo, she would have prevented Colby's blindside, she wouldn't have let Amber survive the swap, and a lot of the things that played out that were so gross to see would have never happened.
Sure they did. Jenna quit, okay. But Rich was targeted simply because he was Richard Hatch, the first Survivor winner. And Lex refused to keep Ethan as an ally because he didn't want to lose to Ethan in the end game again, being as Ethan had already done it once.  Anyway, most of the gifs that have been posted since the last time I posted in this thread have kinda sucked. 
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| <span style=Mikester | Mar 9 2011, 12:16 PM Post #426 |
so misguided and so rude
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PT, you're absolutely delusional. For one - Jenna Lewis was no where near as vile as Tina. Secondly, the only winner Jenna was responsible for getting rid of was Tina. This "get rid of the winners" mindset didn't exist among the whole cast as a set strategy, it just worked out that way and obviously so. Jenna M and Ethan leaving had nothing to do with their past reputations as "winners," per say, and Richard left because of his past reputation as Richard Hatch, not as a "winner." None of this was a shock and it's so unreasonable to blame people for targeting them. Also everything you just described as happening if Tina stayed is AWFUL. Thank god for Jenna Lewis. All-Stars is one of the best seasons ever, it had everything and I can't imagine it turning out better. |
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| messiebessie | Mar 9 2011, 12:18 PM Post #427 |
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I was implying she wasn't the reason they left. But you're right, they did leave because they were winners, yet Jenna is the one that gets all the heat for starting that shit when she didn't play with ANY of the people that voted those two out besides Jerri and Ethan. So unless if Jerri went over to MogoMogo and spread Jenna's idea around then everyone else simply had the same mentality as her and it wasn't her fault. Therefore, she wasn't the one responsible for ruining All Stars. |
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| <span style=Mikester | Mar 9 2011, 01:19 PM Post #428 |
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This is all incredibly wrong. For one - Jenna had nothing to do with Jenna M, Richard, or Ethan leaving the game. Jenna M quit, and Richard/Ethan were Lex's decision. It wasn't "Jenna Lewis's mentality" it was the very obvious and very reasonable strategy of taking out people who have proven they were good in the past. Nobody cried foul in HvV or FvF when Parvati was targeted right off the bat. Of course it didn't work out, but had it, nobody would have blamed JAYE or Boston Rob's alliance for targeting people based on past reputations :rolleyes: It's just a lot of whiny-ness because of the fact that Romber dominated All-Stars and Jenna L had a hand in that, and people are bitter that the more legendary All-Stars were out early but like... welcome to exactly how All-Stars will always pan out. "Let's get rid of the less legendary contestants" will never make more sense than "let's get rid of the good players" and it's like people expected that to be the mentality of the All-Star cast or something. |
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| <span style=Snoopy | Mar 9 2011, 01:24 PM Post #429 |
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THAT IS IT TEIGHTEEN. YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR. I don't understand why people think that Jenna Lewis singlehandedly ruined ASS. I mean there were plenty of other awful moves that were caused by people that weren't Jenna Lewis, but honestly the fact that she has the reputation of season-ruiner just makes her so much better in my eyes. But really, Jenna Lewis didn't somehow communicate with the other tribes and tell them to vote off the winners. If anyone should be blamed with ruining ASS it should be Lex and Kathy. THEY are the ones who voted out Richard and Ethan and then Jerri. The fact that they were stupid enough to let Amber survive at that swap just shows how delusional they are. Lex is the reason ASS is awful. Jenna Lewis is actually a shining beacon of entertainment since she constantly delivered. Even when she wasn't as strategic in the post-merge she still has a presence as the super annoying chick that got into fights with Shii Ann and Alicia. <3 Also remember when they drew straws for who had to go steal from the other camp and she drew the short one and she like had a tiny temper tantrum? God she is so amazing. |
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| <span style=Mikester | Mar 9 2011, 01:30 PM Post #430 |
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so misguided and so rude
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Mar 9 2011, 01:51 PM Post #431 |
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Well, this is just a matter of personal taste. Snoopy says having a presence as the super annoying chick is great TV. I found it nauseating.  Anyway, you guys are right that JLew was not solely responsible for the mindset that dominated ASS. Plenty of other players admitted going in that they were looking to boot the winners first and foremost. Jenna didn't ruin All-Stars (I don't think Lex and Kathy did either, to be honest; I'd put the biggest degree of blame on Alicia and Tom). But she was the figurehead for the "boot-the-winners" mentality, so she gets a lot of (deserved) flak for that. Maybe it wasn't her choice to edit her confessionals as the representative of that strategy, but it was her perspective and she articulated it in a manner that made me despise her. And given that she was by far the most annoying character on ASS (Alicia being the only person to give her a run for her money), I think it's fair to say she's a huge part of the reason the season was so unsettling. She's not responsible for the way it played out. That would be giving her undue credit. But she's definitely one of the people responsible for it, and definitely made the season a lot less enjoyable to watch. And Mikester, I'd like to clarify that while it's inevitable for past reputations to come into play on an All-Stars season, the idea that the winners of ASS had to be booted purely because they were winners goes a bit beyond that. It wasn't just because the winners were the biggest threats. It was because they had won, and therefore were somehow less "deserving" of winning again. Saying "Tina's too good at this game, she needs to go" would have gone over a lot better with me than saying "Tina's already won, she doesn't deserve to have a shot at it in this game too." Probably would have been less successful, but it wouldn't have come off as so disgusting. Tom and Cirie both targeted the best players on their tribe in HvV. But I don't hold that against them because gunning for major threats is a huge part of the game. I still love them despite the fact that their strategies resulted in the elimination of the Heroes' best characters. As for Parvati? I was never under the impression that she was targeted for being a winner. If Micronesia had stuck with a F3 and Cirie had beat Parv in the jury vote, Parvati still would have had just as large of a target on her back going into HvV. She was a target because she had organized such a successful female alliance in the past, and because she had such strong relationships with numerous players on the other tribe (as well as producers). That's something you're going to inevitably see when returning players are in the equation. It's also something entirely different from targeting someone purely because they've already won the million bucks before. And no matter how inevitable something may be, I think it's still fair for me to not enjoy seeing it. I fully expected a lot of the things that happened on All-Stars, but I still hated seeing them go down.
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| <span style=Shalomo | Mar 9 2011, 01:58 PM Post #432 |
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Jenna Lewis made All-Stars amazing. And you wouldn't take out the winners right away? Especially Richard Hatch? Gosh, so stupid! I'm glad we got to see different stars shine instead of a whole season of Hatch. I love the guy, but there were too many good people. All-Stars is the best season ever and any haters are just jealous. And let's be honest, but I'm pretty sure Jerri demanded that Tina be booted because she knew Tina hated her. They didn't show that though, because this was the first part of Jerri's Jesus Redemption 
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| <span style=Pulau Tiga | Mar 9 2011, 02:05 PM Post #433 |
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Depends. Rich is a relatively upfront guy. Tina's predictable in that you know she'll be looking to preserve her reputation. Jenna and Ethan...them I'd definitely consider getting rid of, considering their strengths.
The appeal of ASS was seeing the people we loved coming back to duke it out with one another. If we wanted to see new people shine (and that's certainly what we look for in just about every season of the show), then we'd have expected a new cast. Although I will say that ASS would have been better off if it had been people like Greg and Skupin and Linda and Peter and Robb dominating instead of the annoying people like Alicia and Jenna (and the overexposed Rupert and the boring Amber) dominating.
Probably. But that vehemence of Jenna's can't have been manufactured. She really thought the winners didn't deserve to stay in the game.
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| <span style=Shalomo | Mar 9 2011, 02:07 PM Post #434 |
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I can completely see where she's coming from though. Can you imagine spending twenty-something days in pure living-hell and then losing to someone else? I'd be bitter as fuck too
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| Jeff P3 | Mar 9 2011, 02:17 PM Post #435 |
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There are too many terrible statements on this page for me to even begin responding. |
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| <span style=Shalomo | Mar 9 2011, 02:19 PM Post #436 |
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Mr. Right Wing
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Just tell us how you feel about Jenna Lewis in All-Stars. Just so I know how to truly feel about you. *steams* |
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| <span style=Mikester | Mar 9 2011, 02:21 PM Post #437 |
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so misguided and so rude
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And the only example of that happening is Jenna booting Tina. Saying that that one boot ruined All-Stars is a huge stretch. The majority of interesting players who were taken out weren't even winners. People blame Romber + JLew for dominating or how they went about it or whatever, but the "favorites/deserving returnees" were almost more responsible.
She wasn't, she was targeted because of her past reputation, just like everyone else on All-Stars minus *maybe* Tina, who also just straight-up disliked by Jerri and Jenna. Richard, Ethan, and Jenna M leaving All-Stars wasn't a case of them leaving for just being winners. That aside - the only one of those winners who is even interesting is Richard. One of them dominating is no different than Amber dominating so let's not pretend we just didn't want to see boring people dominate, because that's certainly what we would have seen if Tina or Ethan had dominated, you just didn't like the actual people who ended up winning out beating your favorites.
Please don't. I've read your opinions on All-Stars before and they're the worst of the worst. 
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| <span style=chad6 | Mar 9 2011, 02:23 PM Post #438 |
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Jenna Lewis (ASS) is awful and one of the worst castways ever. She ruined the season because she was there, not because of what she did.  Edited for spelling. |
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| <span style=Shalomo | Mar 9 2011, 02:25 PM Post #439 |
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Mr. Right Wing
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At least she can spell 
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| Jeff P3 | Mar 9 2011, 02:26 PM Post #440 |
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Actually, I want you to state my opinions on All Stars. I think you may be exaggerating them. Despite what you may think/assume, I actually don't totally hate that season and it isn't at the bottom of my list, and never will be. |
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