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Mar 22 2011, 09:32 PM
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Mar 22 2011, 09:30 PM
Also, I don't understand the hate immunity gets here and on Sucks. It has always been part of the game. It is a key element to the game. Saying that relying on it isn't respectable is just wrong in my opinion. Going back to ORG thing, are you saying immunity isn't fair? That if you ever need to win immunity that you're bad at the game and if you DO overcome the odds and make it to the end that you shouldn't be rewarded? No. Challenge wins shouldn't be what wins you the game like the casuals seem to believe but they should be commended. Not everyone can be the best strategizers and every round SOMEONE has to go. Being good at challenges should be respected just like being good at strategy and being social should. They are all important elements to the game that come together and make Survivor what it is.

The same thing can be said about hidden immunity idols since they are part of a game. Some people like Sandra can't win every challenge so can they really be faulted if they play an idol? ;)

I agree so...? :huh:
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Mar 22 2011, 10:30 PM
Right, I totally see your point. I don't know. Maybe I expect too much out of us people that call ourselves hardcore fans. I would think that we would be able to see past the edit and understand the game better than the casuals.

I, for one, totally buy that Jud knew what he was doing. This is an ORG site. Have you ever been in the minority in a game? Maybe you couldn't decide who would go or maybe you didn't even know who was going to go. Still, there was ways for you to play the game, wasn't there? You know there was. You can't always see (or even understand) the moves that one makes in that position but they are there. If you're in the minority and your allies are being voted out before you then you ARE doing something right and each round you survive you are in a better position.

Also, I don't understand the hate immunity gets here and on Sucks. It has always been part of the game. It is a key element to the game. Saying that relying on it isn't respectable is just wrong in my opinion. Going back to ORG thing, are you saying immunity isn't fair? That if you ever need to win immunity that you're bad at the game and if you DO overcome the odds and make it to the end that you shouldn't be rewarded? No. Challenge wins shouldn't be what wins you the game like the casuals seem to believe but they should be commended. Not everyone can be the best strategizers and every round SOMEONE has to go. Being good at challenges should be respected just like being good at strategy and being social should. They are all important elements to the game that come together and make Survivor what it is.

I actually think that looking at the edit directly is a common trait among hardcore fans - I would bet that many casuals didn't think there was anything fishy about KShinn or Na'Onka's votes or didn't think anything of it, while a hardcore fan would tend to analyze the edit more. Hence maybe why Fabio was a popular winner among casuals but not so much with many Sucksters - his win didn't make much sense in terms of the actual story that was presented to the audience. Natalie, Sandra, we know concrete reasons why they won and don't have to fill in the gaps.

Yes, I've been in the minority many times in ORGs. I understand what you're saying, and totally agree about what you mean by doing something right if you outlast your allies, but I really don't think Fabio was that savvy or knew what he was doing because if he DID know what he was doing and intentionally detached himself from whatever was going on...how is that good gameplay? I think there's a difference between "laying low" and being clueless/separated from the game, which he was in the final 7 round. There's a difference between laying low as a means of self-preservation and...well, getting Sierra'd.

I agree that being a challenge whore gets too much hate - I don't consider it "cheap" or an invalid way to win in any sense, but when you ADD it to Fabio's already clueless gameplay it just supports how poor of a game he played, in my opinion. Players like Tom, Jenna, and several other winners that had to rely on immunity, it's not really as much of a detriment to their game (IMO) as with Fabio's because they at the very least were in the mix of things for much of the game.
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Mar 22 2011, 10:40 PM
Mikester, I'm not going to quote you because I actually agree with a lot of what you said. I think, for the most part, we're arguing over to different things. Your main point was that Jud shouldn't have won according to the edit and mine is that he should have because of his game and what really happened. I'm not talking about the edit at all. I agree that the season's edit made little sense. They did NOT edit Jud to be the winner (nor did they edit Natalie to be the winner of Samoa for that matter, the winner should never be as ignored as she was :ew ). However, in the actual game Jud deserved to win. He was more liked and he pulled over Nay's vote. Nay, according to the edit :rolleyes: , SHOULD have voted for Chase but she didn't. So they didn't show us something that caused her to vote Jud. As for Marty and Kelly? I've read an interview of Kelly and while out there she was aligned with Chase but she and him never clicked (they're friends now though) but the way she described Jud was like he was a brother to her out there. They were close. Marty and Jud were friends. Marty's vote wasn't about strategy. It was, like almost every vote a juror has ever casted, was for who he liked more. He never liked Chase. Why would he vote for him?

This is kind of what I was trying to argue as well, but I think I went more into my own personal bias and started talking about why I don't like him as a winner :wacko: my main issue was how his win was presented from an editing standpoint as well.
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I'm not arguing that Jud didn't "deserve" to win. Whoever wins, wins. I may not agree with the jury or like his strategy or feel he was the better player, but I can't say he didn't deserve it and it's pointless anyway.

And yes I read the interview with KShinn and I know why NaOnka and KShinn voted for Jud, but only because of the interviews.

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Marty and Jud were friends. Marty's vote wasn't about strategy. It was, like almost every vote a juror has ever casted, was for who he liked more. He never liked Chase. Why would he vote for him?


Because doing otherwise makes him a hypocrite? Marty talked the entire time about how smart he was and how important strategy was to him and how he wished people would play smarter. He also said he didn't like "emotional" players, referring to Jane and her whole flipping or whatever. To then vote for Jud who was the epitome of everything he condemned, is hypocritical. And as has been said, Marty the juror is the reason Marty the player could never win Survivor.
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Marty would have been an asshole if he did not vote for his homeboy Fabio.
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Marty was an asshole even when did vote for his homeboy ^_^
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Mar 22 2011, 09:40 PM
Marty and Jud were friends. Marty's vote wasn't about strategy. It was, like almost every vote a juror has ever casted, was for who he liked more. He never liked Chase. Why would he vote for him?

Exactly. I don't know why anyone would question Marty's reason for voting Fabio. It was unquestionable and obvious.

And anyone who doesn't take into consideration that juries like to vote for people they like then they are just being stupid.
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Mar 22 2011, 07:58 PM
Please, NOT having Chase or Sash win into and of itself saved the season. Hell, Dan could've won and it would've saved the season. Jane? No. But Dan/Holly/Fabio winning over the other 3? Yes.

Ugh just stop posting!
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I want to see Sash back just to see people meltdown in irritation of Blueberry
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Mar 22 2011, 10:36 PM
I want to see Sash back just to see people meltdown in irritation of Blueberry

That'd be hawt Rudy!! :wub:

:alien @ people arguing over Judson and Natalie, like who gives a shit? male, female, retard, rat killer, sobbing bitch etc THEY ARE AMONG THE WORST WINNERS EVER!! (especially Jud)

EXTRA WHAT THE FUCK @ comparing Chase to Russell!! :lbf He was another JT if anything but with a much better story arc :wub:

Sash was the "Russell" if anything.. Backstabbing bitches left and right <3 being handed idols <3 F2 deals with everyone :lbf

I miss Nicaragua :(
2012 PLACEMENTS
1. Emma Stone (5th)
2. Sash Lenahan (11th)
3. Samwell (7th)
4. Stacey Powell (23rd)
5. Rogue (10th)
6. Ed (4th)

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Natalie and Jud are among the shows better winners.

Jud had to overcome his alliance getting turned on at the beginning because of flip flop mcgee and had to scrap to the end and Natalie had to placate Russells ego for 38 days and then play the jury perfectly on day 39 to win.

They both had to overcome a bunch of stuff that shoulda knocked them the fuck out while other winners had to do far less.
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2. Sash Lenahan (11th)
3. Samwell (7th)
4. Stacey Powell (23rd)
5. Rogue (10th)
6. Ed (4th)

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so misguided and so rude
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Mar 22 2011, 10:28 PM
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Mar 22 2011, 09:40 PM
Marty and Jud were friends. Marty's vote wasn't about strategy. It was, like almost every vote a juror has ever casted, was for who he liked more. He never liked Chase. Why would he vote for him?

Exactly. I don't know why anyone would question Marty's reason for voting Fabio. It was unquestionable and obvious.

And anyone who doesn't take into consideration that juries like to vote for people they like then they are just being stupid.

Nobody's questioning WHY Marty voted for Jud. That's fairly obvious. What I'm saying is that Marty is a giant hypocrite for voting for Jud while preaching that he has some sort of superior understanding of strategy and the game. His vote doesn't match up with the actual words that came out of Marty's mouth all season.

I think it's fairly clear that he's a hypocrite and a douche and anyone who doesn't see it is just being stupid.
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Personally, I find it hilarious that someone's a hypocrite and a douche for voting for someone that not only were they in the same alliance and tribe with, but that they were friends with too. Like that's some new and rare thing that only Marty did.
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Because he was all about "strategy" he wanted a strategic player to win if it couldn't be himself (Brenda, Sash, Holly, maybe Na'Onka?)

All of that crap he spewed only to vote for FABIO of all people was :lbf
2012 PLACEMENTS
1. Emma Stone (5th)
2. Sash Lenahan (11th)
3. Samwell (7th)
4. Stacey Powell (23rd)
5. Rogue (10th)
6. Ed (4th)

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Edwin, do you REALLY want to get into this again?
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Well, to be honest, as bad as Fabio was, he was still ten times the player that dumbass Marty was.
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Mar 22 2011, 09:15 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 04:25 PM
Well, to be honest, as bad as Fabio was, he was still ten times the player that dumbass Marty was.

Marty was in control of his original tribe though. Jud will never ever be in control of anything.
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Mar 23 2011, 04:00 PM
Personally, I find it hilarious that someone's a hypocrite and a douche for voting for someone that not only were they in the same alliance and tribe with, but that they were friends with too. Like that's some new and rare thing that only Marty did.

Are you blind? Did you really not see what everyone said about him being super hypocritical?
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