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Topic Started: Jan 20 2005, 04:18 PM (644 Views)
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This one's pretty easy: would Fiver have made a good chief rabbit?

This thought came to me as I reread the part about Hazel's death and Watership Down didn't have a replacement Chief Rabbit. Had Hazel really been dead, would his brother have made an appropriate replacement?

It was obviously no secret that Hazel constantly asked Fiver for his view and opinion as an adviser. Fiver often could see what others could not and very often it led to him mentioning things that would otherwise prevent disastrous moves (Hazel's death actually was one of them). I'd say he would be able to carry on as Chief because he is clearly heads above all the rest (except maybe Blackberry) in terms of rational thinking.
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I really don't see it somehow, I think he's just way too paranoid and prone to fits. Neither does he have any power over the rabbits in terms of respect, he's just useless at telling people what to do.
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Paranoid maybe, but Fiver is not stupid....he'll see right through anything and sometimes a leader needs to resourceful like that. I think the fact that he's able to make those decisions would earn him the respect he hasn't entirely had all along.
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Jan 20 2005, 04:18 PM
This one's pretty easy: would Fiver have made a good chief rabbit?

This thought came to me as I reread the part about Hazel's death and Watership Down didn't have a replacement Chief Rabbit.  Had Hazel really been dead, would his brother have made an appropriate replacement?

Do you mean if Hazel had died after his gunshot wound, and Fiver hadn't found him? I'm not sure what to think: Fiver's premonitions certainly would have helped with some things, but what about bringing does out of Efrafa? Certainly Fiver would not have been brave enough to allow such a thing...unless, of course, he could forsee that the endeavor would be successful. I'm not sure though, really, as I've never thought about it. Good question. :)

I could say that indirectly I think he'd be a good Chief Rabbit, as I've incorporated his and Hyzenthlay's abilities into my character. ;)
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I think he serves a secondary position, and would not have made a good Chief Rabbit. There are several scenes where he demonstrates his ineptitude at convincing and controlling others...the only time he really grabs their attention and takes control is after Bigwig has been snared.

While his premonitions and powers are useful, he is a almost priest-like character, with a different world than everyone else. I doubt he could actually run the everyday aspects of a warren. I think Holly would have been the best choice had Hazel have died.
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Jan 21 2005, 02:39 PM
I think he serves a secondary position, and would not have made a good Chief Rabbit. There are several scenes where he demonstrates his ineptitude at convincing and controlling others...the only time he really grabs their attention and takes control is after Bigwig has been snared.

While his premonitions and powers are useful, he is a almost priest-like character, with a different world than everyone else. I doubt he could actually run the everyday aspects of a warren. I think Holly would have been the best choice had Hazel have died.

Agreed, Fiver may be in his own little world most of the time, but the other rabbits have looked up to that because his visions have saved them from danger a few times, and they've come to trust him. One that can be trusted would make a better chief than one that might be unpredictable (i.e. Bigwig). Holly would be a good choice too, but how well would the other Sandleford rabbits like that?
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I think the other rabbits respect him, but I think they view him as a rather awe-striking figure instead of a strong leader. True, I doubt they would have someone like Bigwig head them, but I just think that Fiver both couldn't and wouldn't do the job. I think he would have problems with running a warren...
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Jan 21 2005, 11:12 PM
I think the other rabbits respect him, but I think they view him as a rather awe-striking figure instead of a strong leader. True, I doubt they would have someone like Bigwig head them, but I just think that Fiver both couldn't and wouldn't do the job. I think he would have problems with running a warren...

There have been human leaders that could be classified as "awe striking" by their actions, so I could see if Fiver was ever a chief, the fact that he could amaze his followers would be what kept him there. It's almost like those leaders that use fear to keep their power--would others worry without Fiver that they might befall on some mystery they knew nothing about?

I'm probably twisting everything around....
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I agree with Rethilzath and Arvens on this account. Fiver is a little too... flighty to make a good Chief. And Bigwig is definitely too high strung. Think about the way he went after that fox that one time.

Actually, unless Hyzenthlay also stopped running around the same time that Hazel did, I think that Hyzenthlay would be Chief. But if they were both gone, then I believe a good choice would be Holly.

Though, to be honest, Holly was older than Hazel. He might have already stopped running before then. It's possible that Hazel had appointed another rabbit to be suceeding Chief, in preparation for his own death. He seems a smart, strong enough Chief to realize his own mortality and make provisions for the warren after his passing.

I mean, if El-ahrairah (sp? I don't have the book beside me at this moment) wanted Hazel in his Owsla, don't you think he'd be smart enough to have provided for his warren even after death?
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I'm sure he was smart enough to appoint a new chief, but I was speaking of the time if he didn't make it back from Nuthanger. From what we know, he hadn't appointed anyone at the time, so that's what I was thinking of when I was wondering if Fiver would've made a decent replacement at that time. ;)
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Ah, forgive my assumption. In that case, I agree with everyone else. Holly is a logical choice... Fiver should stay in his "Royal Viser" position, the most trusted advisor.
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Jan 20 2005, 04:18 PM
This one's pretty easy: would Fiver have made a good chief rabbit?

This thought came to me as I reread the part about Hazel's death and Watership Down didn't have a replacement Chief Rabbit.  Had Hazel really been dead, would his brother have made an appropriate replacement?

Do you mean if Hazel had died after his gunshot wound, and Fiver hadn't found him? I'm not sure what to think: Fiver's premonitions certainly would have helped with some things, but what about bringing does out of Efrafa? Certainly Fiver would not have been brave enough to allow such a thing...unless, of course, he could forsee that the endeavor would be successful. I'm not sure though, really, as I've never thought about it. Good question. :)

I could say that indirectly I think he'd be a good Chief Rabbit, as I've incorporated his and Hyzenthlay's abilities into my character. ;)

I think that I agree with you that he could perhaps make a good chief rabbit, but I think he could never do it by himself, he'd probably need a mate, to care for, help and push him. Why I choose a mate is because it would make it more like teamwork and there wouldn't be the possibility of rivalry. Because I don't think Fiver would be strong enough to cope with much rivalry, he'd probably just give in.
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Because I don't think Fiver would be strong enough to cope with much rivalry, he'd probably just give in.


I don't know about that. If that were true about him, don't you think he'd have just given in when almost the whole original warren didn't want to leave their place, no matter what he was feeling? If he felt strongly about something... I think he'd stand up for it. Hazel's spirit... The spirit of El-ahrairah himself would be with him.
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Well i think fiver would be a good leader when he gets older because he didn't have to put a mark on vervian to defeat him
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yes but how did he defeat vervian again?
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