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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Feb 12 2010, 02:09 PM Post #61 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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AWA Juan Vasquez steps in for a day. ![]() *tosses you a Juan Vasquez "HOPE" tshirt* |
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| Jay Steele Was Declared DeadNOT | Feb 12 2010, 02:31 PM Post #62 |
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Once Trey was not leaving (which was more of a last second decision than even Beeby knows....my business only recently turned around to the point where I don't feel guilty writing a rp instead of working on the website or some other advertising), I had already painted myself into a corner in the storyline. Beeby and I couldn't figure out any other alternative than he never had it, or else he would always be viewed as "the wrestler who had cancer" and cripple any other types of storylines we would try. There was no way he could stay face with what had already taken place. Things got even worse when Epstein and Kaufmann could not be kept in the World title mix. It would also have been a shame to ask Terry to turn Vasquez with how incredible he's been. But I think we'll come up with something good. Maybe Trey will be able to punch the jackass right out of Juan
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Feb 12 2010, 04:01 PM Post #63 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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What's to boo about Juan now? Really? His whole mission was to avenge Luke Kinsey against the heelish Alex Epstein. He's just a dude that's got his homies' backs. "He beats on cancer victims!" -Trey doesn't have cancer. In fact, he was just beating up on some a-hole that people would've been booing anyway, all this time. And he was completely right about everything he said about Trey too! People owe Juan an apology, if anything. "Oh, he broke Epstein's leg!" -Pffft...Epstein was defending Trey DaMann. He basically took down Epstein, the misguided and evil pawn of DaMann. Epstein deserved that and you know it. If Alex ever comes back, he should shake Juan's hand for setting him straight. "He's Tommy Stephens best friend!" -Point to Juan. Actually...a million points in his favor. If people in the South know to cheer Juan Vasquez...then damnit, the Northern part of the US should learn too! Juan Vasquez...the most misunderstood hero in the history of e-wrestling. ![]() Like he said at Gold Rush...
Kyle Lee ain't the only prophet, babydolls! |
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| RedRajah | Feb 12 2010, 04:05 PM Post #64 |
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Shocked Woona is Shocked
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Slush: He beat up a Landis! HE IS MY HERO FOREVER!!!! |
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| Flouzemaker | Feb 12 2010, 05:47 PM Post #65 |
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The Luther Burger
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OK! Some... DUMBASS NOOB'S THOUGHTS on RBR! Disclaimer: I'm a dumbass noob, therefore my opinion has little to no value. Besides, I'm bound by rules of "always build up" "never bury" that apply to wrestling but not e-wrestling, so it's all stuff that has to be taken with a grain of salt. These are just one idiot's worthless opinions, not a general consensus of any kind. Vasquez/Epstein 1 A good promo there. The kind of think WWE has done a lot for disgruntled heels that want something. Given the amount of Vasquez & co. segments, Lopez and Vasquez go on a little too long, here, but at least it's not boring. (And yes, I know I'm the kettle calling the pot black on stuff being too long! :P) Kyle Lee introduces the Megatron, Mattel promptly sues. The chaotic banter post softcore Japanese porn joke fell completely flat to me, but, as a whole, it was alright. Somebody has to do the boring stuff like explain how things'll work and what is changed and what is not, etc. Being the commish truly is a thankless job, it is... Next, first match. Well, not quite. First, the delicious Amber Rogers and her platinum! Then, EE and a quick match with a... a strange finish. I'd been told she was getting arrested, but... well, hopefully it goes somewhere that doesn't suck. Axis follows with a rather entertaining promo, then, to no one's surprise, picks up a win against Hudson. Then... Daniel Kidd gets thrown out by Job Holly and these security guards. It was entertaining for sure, but I'm a little confused by the security people. They're given some kind of evil aura, yet they go after heels. I don't know, I'll have to assume it goes somewhere. Then... Pablo returns! [POP!] And he has stuff to say! [BIGGER POP!] And overall, it's all very good... except for a slight over-use of pops. [HEEL POP!] Pops are great, but one after every sentence might be a little bit too much for me. [BIGGER HEEL POP!] Fine! ![]() I had completely forgotten Heaven's Hunted even existed, but they do a good job of putting Pablo between a rock and a hard place here, so the segment worked quite nicely as a whole. Max Benson does a fun little promo, nicely BUILDING UP his opponent. See, people? Building up your opponent is a good thing! Meanwhile, I'm not sure it was the best time for Taylor to mingle with toy prototypes... Ocelotman is awesome. As a one time thing, pure gold. If it comes back, kill it with fire, lol! I'm not exactly sure why Brianna Landis showed up, but costing MacKenzie the title is as good a way as any to start a bit of a Taylor vs Brianna angle. Terry and I have already analyzed in depth what it means that Miyuki negotiates her contract with Alyson Chambers herself, while Adam Rogers does it with anonymous "suits." Still, the point Rogers is making is that he's not a guy with an over-inflated ego, and the promo puts that notion across. Second Pablo segment - not as jazzy as the first, but when telling a bigger story, not all scenes are edge-of-seat car chases or laugh out loud comedy. There are those that set-up the stage for stuff that will happen later on. You get that vibe here, where's it's more about establishing characters and situations. Therefore, it's true worth will only be seen in the long run. Next, great stuff with Nikki and Donna that generates a lot of interest in the gauntlet, and in truth, the gauntlet itself is tasty awesome. With a good Nikki promo as well, like a cherry on the sundae. The only part that didn't work for me is... I couldn't see how this suddenly made Donna a face. DT's been a super-heel so long, I didn't not feel her suddenly being a face here. I'm still torn on whether Nikki has face heat for getting rid of DT, in spite of the promo... It was still great stuff regardless, though a huge loss for the UWF women's division. (Unless Tetreault comes back with an MBC contract, Mwah! ha! ha! ha!) Next, an Annis segment that... really did nothing for me. Going against Epstein, dismissing Tumaffi? I'm not impressed so far... though I guess this is more of a character that slowly grows on you via angles, I guess. At least, I hope. And... Stiff Right Cross to Brianna! End of Hour 1 |
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| Flouzemaker | Feb 12 2010, 05:48 PM Post #66 |
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The Luther Burger
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HOUR TWO Starts off with funny twitter stuff between Vengeance, Crimson and Slush. My only thought was that, on an actual TV show, seeing twitter pages would suck bum. Kinda like airing Bubba the Love Spunge radio clips on TV: no good. But in the written medium, it certainly works. I'm not sure about the Erik Grimsson promo. Instead of going on about no wanting to face those guys, I'd have built up those other faces to say how hard it would be to find a bigger challenge than beating those guys. It's still enough to win the 3 way match, and... On to more Epstein-Vasquez brawl. Nice touch with the car-dropping. Then... MiB unmasks (again... because... you know... anyone can put on that mask) and, this time it's Gavin Cassel. I was convinced it'd be someone else with a bigger name, so that was a let down to me, as I've no clue who in the blue hell Cassel is. But 'Dro popped for it on AIM, so I guess he's a non-negligible entity. Then, putting as much detail as possible into the amputation of Epstein. In truth... this sort of stuff doesn't happen in wrestling, so we shouldn't do it, but heck, Fontana's guilty of doing just about the same thing, so who am I to talk? Taking out a top face contender he heat generated is massive, of course. I knew it was coming, and still I had underestimated the heat it would generate. No doubt it was well presented. One thing's for sure, you wouldn't want to be the sucker that has to follow that, as no matter what you do, you'd end up looking like crap, relatively speaking. A spot Beeby and Kyle can use to punish a two-bit character that they especially dislike. And next is... DOH! Well, way to make a weak promo look even weaker, so I guess it doesn't matter so much. Still, I better prepare some kind of letter of apology... Then, a pretty good Tumaffi promo that does a good job of building up Annis, depicting him as a credible fighter. Annis segment starts... bleh. And Whitecross comes in to rehash ancient history. I'm not the target audience, here, lol, so I'll move on. Enter Marley with a good promo, making his stance known while also building up Annis.Good stuff. The match itself sorta made me wish YGW would replace Amy Marshall, at times, heh - but though we know he's at the announce table for a later spot, the commentary felt natural, and put over the wrestlers. Putting over is good. The match is fun, and builds up two feuds... but... Just a note. If there's one character on the roster that is completely unable to sneak to the ring and suddenly appear behind somebody, it's Tumaffi. You can't have: DR: TUMAFFI IS IN THE RING! You can have: DR: TUMAFFI'S HEADING FOR THE RING! EVERYBODY SEES HIM COMING BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN MISS THIS GUY! But that's a detail, and, in this case, it makes no difference either way. Tumaffi is being mean... it just sorta feels like Annis deserved it. The Vasquez celebration promo. This, I sometimes wonder if it would not have been better to save it for week 2. Leave on the strong note of the previous segment sort of thing... although, granted, there's the match later. Although, it's still good salt-in-the-wound stuff. Next, a pretty good Titus promo that does a decent job of shilling the main event, and building up the three others involved in the match. So, all good. I might have hoped for a hint of what's next for Titus this cycle, but there's still time for that. Then, a Whitecross promo that maybe should have hyped the ME a little more, but then again, he did have to acknowledge the epic Gold Rush clash, now didn't he? And... More Vasquez. Definitely, definitely the celebration should absolutely have been saved for week 2. I can now totally get what people whine about the one or two times where either Gamma Ray or Fontana may have sort of appeared one time too many on a show, now. Now, it's already starting to work against the nuclear heat gained earlier. Thing is, of course... there probably would have been no room on week 2 either... So, yeah. Well, sometimes you have to make sacrifices to tell the story... Next up, the DaMann on-card. Now... maybe it's because, like for Epstein's leg, I knew exactly what was coming, and maybe it's why I felt this was a let down. I had figured it was the type of reveal you couldn't possibly misfire with, the huge heat being guaranteed. And, well, it's not a complete fat failure turtle, but it's nowhere near as good as it should have been. It started off awesomely, from the entrance to the actual reveal. Tremendous stuff, until, like a good Bond villain, he explains the how and why. Why was already pretty obvious but, well, might as well say it anyways, I guess. Just... no need to explain for so long motives that are blatantly obvious to all. Shots at his own father maintain the heat... but it's going downhill rather fast. Because then... the "how." My belief is that it would have been much wiser to explain less. I bought the story before I read the "how," it's needlessly convoluted and long winded and after... I'm like... boy am I glad Gamma Ray never bought it for a second, he's the only person in the universe that doesn't look like a total idiot. That's followed by a misguided attempt to bury Vasquez... another heel, no less. Building up is good, burying is bad. A attempt to no-sell Vasquez' finisher - something the crowd would never boo seeing as we're talking about the man who snapped Epstein's leg - Lots of time is wasted on trying to bury Vasquez for no reason that really should have been edited out. Or at least made about Epstein, the face. More convoluted explanations that make the whole evil plan sound more improbable than credible is then capped by having Jessica Marshall come into the picture... Simple bribes would have been sufficient, the "how" has reach totally counterproductive overkill-levels. At least, things pick back up a little for the conclusion. The 2018 comment does break kayfabe, but it's not much to worry about at this point. Still even DaMann's departure is a let down. Knowing what was supposed to come, maybe I was expecting too much. It just feels like stellar work - superb writing for well over a year, mind you - has led to this terribly disappointing reveal promo. There's still heat from it all, of course, you can't not generate heat with that reveal... but compared to what it would have been had it not diverted into a needlessly never ending Bond villain speech with desperate burial attempts at another heel... The heat should have been out of this world, it's too bad, really. 'Course... tough luck for the Main Event to try and follow that. So, instead, it ends with a rather difficult to understand kind of clusterfrak. Reading it, it seemed totally confusing. I did not like Vasquez decking Vengeance. Rather pointless at this point, and heel vs heel stuff is never good. Now that I have the update in hand, I get that the Guard has been collecting titles, and that the end of the main event was indeed deliberately confusing, especially with the simultaneous never-ending celebration happening, going for that "what the hell's going on?" vibe. That worked and, with the update later adding more info, it probably works. Well... On two the next set of shows? |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Feb 12 2010, 06:28 PM Post #67 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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I assure you, I didn't intend for the Epstein/Vasquez thing to end up being like 5 separate segments and turn into a 90 minute backstage brawl. I blame post-production editing! That being said, I do see your point about how the Stephens thing probably could've been done on a different show. But damnit, Tommy needed the appearance paycheck! |
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| Wolf | Feb 12 2010, 06:30 PM Post #68 |
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Captain Bollerophon "Tornado" Shanks
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Ummm, just to clarify here: I'm only pointing out the plot holes in the plan for my own amusement, not out of any need to cause trouble or any sort of dislike. I point this out because I don't want you to think I'm hatin' on ya or something. |
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| Mozeart | Feb 12 2010, 07:37 PM Post #69 |
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Sheik-ee, Sheik-ee, give me your answer do...
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Am I the only one thinking that Vasquez should say "See? I was trying to tell you!" and turn face, pursuing Damann's title, thus unifying the personas of UWF Juan and AWA Juan? |
| And it was at this moment that the entire world realized, in unison, that tandem bicycles were AWESOME~! | |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Feb 12 2010, 07:45 PM Post #70 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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If you merge UWF Vasquez and AWA Vasquez, you end up with a tweener Juan Vasquez, who gets cheered by people who see things his way(You were right about Trey all along and...damnit, I liked RCW! Screw you Epstein!) and booed by fans who look through the world in rose-colored glasses and don't see the big picture(Juan does bad things...boo!). Actually... MOZE YOU'RE A GENIUS |
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| Flouzemaker | Feb 12 2010, 07:56 PM Post #71 |
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The Luther Burger
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Yeah, but he voluntarily snapped someone's leg in cold blood. Even if Epstein's face status was sort of iffy at times... being right doesn't make what Juan did right. The moment Vasquez snapped that leg, he couldn't become the babyface to go after DaMann, even on "only a cold jerk like Vasquez can put DaMann in his place" platform, it'd be weak. Obviously, DaMann's turn is made worse by the fact it happens at a particularly ill timed moment, but as pointed out, for the character to remain active, a turn was the sole option... showing up to say the win had cured him would have been epic e-wrestlecrap. There is a plethora of faces in the UWF, but too few who can credibly step up to the plate right at this moment. The UWF just needs its best faces to step up during the cycle, that's all. |
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| RedRajah | Feb 12 2010, 08:00 PM Post #72 |
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Shocked Woona is Shocked
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How Tumaffi sneaks up on victims... |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Feb 12 2010, 08:11 PM Post #73 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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Yeah...Vasquez breaking a dude's leg is pretty indefensible. Then again, Stone Cold broke Brian Pillman's ankle and was cheered wildly for it. But Pillman was a heel, so who knows. Wrestling is weird. Vasquez at most, could probably lighten up a little now that he's got everyone that bothered him out of the way(Trey, Epstein) and stray towards tweener and end up getting cheered by a portion of the crowd(As I described above), but definitely the majority will not embrace him. Even if you go by the "he did it for his friends" thing...Luke Kinsey was a huge heel, so all his motives are still out of whack. Wrestlers themselves wouldn't rally behind him. I'm sure most faces would utterly despise him. Vasquez in turn, probably hates everyone, just because no one supported him at all throughout the last cycle. Thus, I nominate Gabriel Zeus Whitecross to come down from the heavens and strike Trey down with a thunderbolt and his manly beard. Edit: KATIE YOU'RE A NERD
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| JeremyS | Feb 12 2010, 09:59 PM Post #74 |
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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Tumaffi is also the answer to the question "How do you kill the Tarrasque without a wish spell?" Even the Tarrasque has to sell the Samoan headbutt! Follow this up with TSSSenton and poof, no more Tarrasque. |
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| KliqerT | Feb 12 2010, 10:35 PM Post #75 |
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Doughy
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And here I thought if you merge AWA Vasquez with UWF Vasquez, you get a rip in the space time continuum through which all life ceases to exist... except for Gamma Ray, who finally becomes the most popular person on earth. |
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