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GOLD RUSH THOUGHTS; Spoilers ahoy!
Topic Started: Jan 1 2010, 06:33 AM (1,684 Views)
Mozeart
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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 1 2010
03:55 PM
So reading that epic Whitecross/Martin match, I ran across this quote...

AM: Sudden pinning combinations are not only effective, but people HATE
losing that way! Many years ago, Alex Martinez lost a title match to a
sudden backslide counter, and he's never gotten over that. Had Martin
been pinned there, he'd have hit the ceiling!


...oh Oz Rivera. :lol:

I remember Johnny Axis had the very same problem in RCW too.

Funny enough, both guys lost to Juan Vasquez that way. :beer:

And then Luke Kinsey beatdown Vasquez when he pinned him the very same way...

...Coincidence? :unsure:

Cancer victim punch and psychotic break roll-up pin! The man's move arsenal should be banned!

...but seriously, Jeremy did an amazing job on that match. If all matches were like that, I don't care how long it takes to write them. :banana:

You have a way of reminding me of past unpleasantries. That was Axis' only loss for how long? Several months, certainly. Damn you, Juan!

Note to self: When finished with Martinez (yo' goin' down, Dave!) hunt down and kill Vasquez.
And it was at this moment that the entire world realized, in unison, that tandem bicycles were AWESOME~!
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My thoughts? Looks like I picked a good time to come out of e-w retirement. :)
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crimsonjoe,Jan 1 2010
06:16 PM
KliqerT,Jan 1 2010
02:00 PM
Yeah, upon re-reading that DaMann celebration it does have serious "Weekend At Bernie's" vibes.  What nobody saw was Epstein dragging the body over to cover himself.

Who knew Black Dahlia = murder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_dahlia

I know, Mike, I know. It's why I phrased it as such.
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Kickair,Jan 1 2010
07:25 PM

Did the other guy flake? Why would someone book an iron man match between such unevenly matched opponents? It doesn't make a lot of sense, lol!
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Actually, it worked very well. It was the final match of a tournament to decide the first UWF World champion. The other guy (Alex Kidd) was injured previously, so stepped in with the odds pretty well stacked against him, and Annis capitalized. This set up a dominant champion, which made Youth Gone Wild's title win over him that much more important and impactful.

Ah Mike, 13 years later, and we're still questioning your booking decissions. ;-)

You can blame a 6-1 ironman loss in the main event of the very first Gold Rush on the TMN wrestlng simulator, which we used exclusively to book for the first couple of months of the fed. It's the same reason why both characters, Kidd and Annis, made it to the finals of the tournament to crown a champion despite being handled by the same guy (looking at you, Carmichael). I figured a 6-1 result would sting a little less if the guy doing it was owned by the same person. I'm still surprised nobody in WWE or TNA have thought of using the same booking in an ironman match (KOing an opponent early and then going for several easy pins in a row), or did the WWE do that with Lesnar and I'm totally blanking on it?

Either way, when we dumped the simulator and went straight booking things became much less chaotic with less title changes every card. Now everyone gets at least 6 month reigns between shows.
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KliqerT,Jan 2 2010
02:31 AM
Kickair,Jan 1 2010
07:25 PM


Actually, it worked very well. It was the final match of a tournament to decide the first UWF World champion. The other guy (Alex Kidd) was injured previously, so stepped in with the odds pretty well stacked against him, and Annis capitalized. This set up a dominant  champion, which made Youth Gone Wild's title win over him that much more important and impactful.

Ah Mike, 13 years later, and we're still questioning your booking decissions. ;-)

You can blame a 6-1 ironman loss in the main event of the very first Gold Rush on the TMN wrestlng simulator, which we used exclusively to book for the first couple of months of the fed. It's the same reason why both characters, Kidd and Annis, made it to the finals of the tournament to crown a champion despite being handled by the same guy (looking at you, Carmichael). I figured a 6-1 result would sting a little less if the guy doing it was owned by the same person. I'm still surprised nobody in WWE or TNA have thought of using the same booking in an ironman match (KOing an opponent early and then going for several easy pins in a row), or did the WWE do that with Lesnar and I'm totally blanking on it?

Either way, when we dumped the simulator and went straight booking things became much less chaotic with less title changes every card. Now everyone gets at least 6 month reigns between shows.

Geez Mike, now why do you have to go and kill a man's buzz?

Truth be told, I completely forgot about your simulator booking. I think TMN was on to something though...

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It's TNM and without it, me and Doran would never have evolved into the degenerate messes we are today. Heck, we should STILL use it!

[Trey DaMann goes for a clothesline, but Juan Vasquez counters with a duck-down move.
Juan Vasquez punches Trey DaMann.
The crowd showers Juan Vasquez with a chorus of boos.
Juan Vasquez further incites the crowd.
Juan Vasquez is getting a good reaction.]

Look at the emotion in that writing! :D
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DaveG,Jan 1 2010
06:21 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 1 2010
03:55 PM
So reading that epic Whitecross/Martin match, I ran across this quote...

AM: Sudden pinning combinations are not only effective, but people HATE
losing that way!  Many years ago, Alex Martinez lost a title match to a
sudden  backslide counter, and he's never gotten over that.  Had Martin
been pinned there, he'd have hit the ceiling!

grr... backslides.

Still, better than armbars. :)

A) Thank you for lending credibility to my commentary.

B) So... not anxious to be booked against Perry Fontana, I take it?
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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 1 2010
09:45 PM
It's TNM and without it, me and Doran would never have evolved into the degenerate messes we are today. Heck, we should STILL use it!

[Trey DaMann goes for a clothesline, but Juan Vasquez counters with a duck-down move.
Juan Vasquez punches Trey DaMann.
The crowd showers Juan Vasquez with a chorus of boos.
Juan Vasquez further incites the crowd.
Juan Vasquez is getting a good reaction.]

Look at the emotion in that writing! :D

Juan Vasquez is bleeding like a faucet.
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JeremyS,Jan 1 2010
09:46 PM
DaveG,Jan 1 2010
06:21 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 1 2010
03:55 PM
So reading that epic Whitecross/Martin match, I ran across this quote...

AM: Sudden pinning combinations are not only effective, but people HATE
losing that way!  Many years ago, Alex Martinez lost a title match to a
sudden  backslide counter, and he's never gotten over that.  Had Martin
been pinned there, he'd have hit the ceiling!

grr... backslides.

Still, better than armbars. :)

A) Thank you for lending credibility to my commentary.

B) So... not anxious to be booked against Perry Fontana, I take it?

Perry Fontana matches are a writers dream.

Perry counters into an armbar.... He then turns it into an ARMBAR!

hmm what move to use next ... Looks over his move list. Heck yeah an armbar!

:banana:
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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:45 AM
It's TNM and without it, me and Doran would never have evolved into the degenerate messes we are today. Heck, we should STILL use it!

[Trey DaMann goes for a clothesline, but Juan Vasquez counters with a duck-down move.
Juan Vasquez punches Trey DaMann.
The crowd showers Juan Vasquez with a chorus of boos.
Juan Vasquez further incites the crowd.
Juan Vasquez is getting a good reaction.]

Look at the emotion in that writing! :D

Although this may help out with the timeliness of cards coming out... You may be on to something here.

.... and yes I've been "back" a day and I'm already chirping Mike. :-P
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Kickair,Jan 1 2010
09:55 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:45 AM
It's TNM and without it, me and Doran would never have evolved into the degenerate messes we are today. Heck, we should STILL use it!

[Trey DaMann goes for a clothesline, but Juan Vasquez counters with a duck-down move.
Juan Vasquez punches Trey DaMann.
The crowd showers Juan Vasquez with a chorus of boos.
Juan Vasquez further incites the crowd.
Juan Vasquez is getting a good reaction.]

Look at the emotion in that writing! :D

Although this may help out with the timeliness of cards coming out... You may be on to something here.

Hey, I wouldn't mind it so much if such programs were used for a B show or and stuff like that. It's no grand literature but if it helps churn out results with less effort and faster.
"A" show and main events should preferably be spared.


And what's with all the armbar hate? I'll never pretend it's the world's most spectacular move but it beats a backslide any day.
What was I supposed to do? The market on DDTs, Sentons (esp. Tommy Stephens Style), Suplexes, Slams and Powerbombs was already cornered, so I just latched on to what was left.



But that's getting off topic.


I'll have to concur: Annis and YGW make timely returns (if they do stick around). The UWF is a little bit starved for faces due to the overwhelmingly high number of heels (what else is new?).
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Codered,Jan 1 2010
10:52 PM
JeremyS,Jan 1 2010
09:46 PM
DaveG,Jan 1 2010
06:21 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 1 2010
03:55 PM
So reading that epic Whitecross/Martin match, I ran across this quote...

AM: Sudden pinning combinations are not only effective, but people HATE
losing that way!  Many years ago, Alex Martinez lost a title match to a
sudden  backslide counter, and he's never gotten over that.  Had Martin
been pinned there, he'd have hit the ceiling!

grr... backslides.

Still, better than armbars. :)

A) Thank you for lending credibility to my commentary.

B) So... not anxious to be booked against Perry Fontana, I take it?

Perry Fontana matches are a writers dream.

Perry counters into an armbar.... He then turns it into an ARMBAR!

hmm what move to use next ... Looks over his move list. Heck yeah an armbar!

:banana:

Does he know The Moss Covered, Three Handled, Family Grenundzul?
And here's where I pretend to be a writer...
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Flouzemaker,Jan 1 2010
10:06 PM

And what's with all the armbar hate? I'll never pretend it's the world's most spectacular move but it beats a backslide any day.
What was I supposed to do? The market on DDTs, Sentons (esp. Tommy Stephens Style), Suplexes, Slams and Powerbombs was already cornered, so I just latched on to what was left.

The armbar was ruined forever in one certain match where one certain character (a Shane Douglas-sized technician) pulled Alex Martinez' arm out of its socket while he was executing the Firebomb.

Several e-wrestlers have used variations of the armbar as effective submission finishers, though. Most recent I can recall besides Fontana was Vinny Carmazzi. It's not a lame finisher if handled well, and I think it is with Fontana. I sell it big-time with PAIN's stuff this set of PVW shows; Mal is convinced that Perry has read his book because he knows his secrets for amputating limbs!
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JeremyS,Jan 1 2010
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Flouzemaker,Jan 1 2010
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And what's with all the armbar hate? I'll never pretend it's the world's most spectacular move but it beats a backslide any day.
What was I supposed to do? The market on DDTs, Sentons (esp. Tommy Stephens Style), Suplexes, Slams and Powerbombs was already cornered, so I just latched on to what was left.

The armbar was ruined forever in one certain match where one certain character (a Shane Douglas-sized technician) pulled Alex Martinez' arm out of its socket while he was executing the Firebomb.

Several e-wrestlers have used variations of the armbar as effective submission finishers, though. Most recent I can recall besides Fontana was Vinny Carmazzi. It's not a lame finisher if handled well, and I think it is with Fontana. I sell it big-time with PAIN's stuff this set of PVW shows; Mal is convinced that Perry has read his book because he knows his secrets for amputating limbs!

:lol: This is true and it's worth the wait for BE!
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Codered,Jan 1 2010
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JeremyS,Jan 1 2010
10:47 PM
Flouzemaker,Jan 1 2010
10:06 PM

And what's with all the armbar hate? I'll never pretend it's the world's most spectacular move but it beats a backslide any day.
What was I supposed to do? The market on DDTs, Sentons (esp. Tommy Stephens Style), Suplexes, Slams and Powerbombs was already cornered, so I just latched on to what was left.

The armbar was ruined forever in one certain match where one certain character (a Shane Douglas-sized technician) pulled Alex Martinez' arm out of its socket while he was executing the Firebomb.

Several e-wrestlers have used variations of the armbar as effective submission finishers, though. Most recent I can recall besides Fontana was Vinny Carmazzi. It's not a lame finisher if handled well, and I think it is with Fontana. I sell it big-time with PAIN's stuff this set of PVW shows; Mal is convinced that Perry has read his book because he knows his secrets for amputating limbs!

:lol: This is true and it's worth the wait for BE!

Heck, he very well could have!
The spice of Fontana's armbars is that he studied and learned all the different armbars from all corners of the world!
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That said, armbars have nothing to do with Gold Rush, so I'll stop talking about them here before Beeby pouts.
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