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GOLD RUSH THOUGHTS; Spoilers ahoy!
Topic Started: Jan 1 2010, 06:33 AM (1,682 Views)
Flouzemaker
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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:11 PM
I find the idea that Alex Martinez, who is now probably the most monstrous of all monsterous wrestlers in e-w history, would be given a losing streak pretty funny. Even in his down time, Martinez is still considered some sort of overwhelming obstacle that'll take every ounce of determination and skill to defeat. Seven footers shouldn't ever be cannon fodder. :boxing:

Or maybe I've just become too scarred from memories of Vasquez needing to hit a no-selling Martinez with every weapon in the book to gut out wins. :bye:

Seriously, in the early 00s? You could hit Martinez with a car and he'd firebomb chokeslam the car. :crying:

And there lies the problem, man.
You have to hit him with a truck, not a car. A fire truck. And if you time it just right, you can simultaneously poke his eye with the giant ladder and choke him with the fire hose.

Should get at two count, at least!



But yeah, telling you AM would become a jobber to the stars (à la Big Show) certainly was a bad move from the fedhead. Had he tricked you with false hopes, he surely could have gotten many more jobs before you could ever notice anything was amiss.

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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:11 PM

Seriously, in the early 00s? You could hit Martinez with a car and he'd firebomb chokeslam the car. :crying:

I lose more cars that way.
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JeremyS,Jan 2 2010
04:17 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:11 PM

Seriously, in the early 00s? You could hit Martinez with a car and he'd firebomb chokeslam the car.  :crying:

I lose more cars that way.

There needs to be a retro-firebomb chokeslam involving a Ford Pinto.
And here's where I pretend to be a writer...
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DaveG,Jan 2 2010
07:07 AM

Not long after the PPV, in an AIM conversation, the fed head says to me "its time for you to start putting people over."

Geez, who was fedhead of UEW at that point? To flat out tell someone they have no shot of winning and will start jobbing and putting people over with no hope is terrible, that's one of the worst things a fedhead could do. All it does is de-motivate a handler, and make them look for a way out just like it did you Dave.

The only other time I can remember hearing a story like that was from the handler of Scott "The Fop" Rogers when he left the IIWF. He said Jividen basically told him that during the Genesis angle he'd gotten wins over people he shouldn't have, and now was going to start losing to people he shouldn't to "balance things out". Again, talk about de-motivating.
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This show gets two thumbs up from a grizzled old UWF veteran. Of course, a show with the returns of YGW and Serge Annis, not to mention 15 Gamma Ray segments? That's like an automatic two thumbs up.

I'm even more excited about the main event, though. A couple of years ago (that is to say, about three shows ago or so) I was looking for someone for Brett Greene to work a program with, and I settled on Trey DaMann because whenever I read his stuff a voice in my head kept saying "this character is going to main event Gold Rush some day". Now, I didn't expect it to be as a cancer stricken babyface, but still... can I get some Nostradamus points up in here?
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A few thoughts...

- I agree with John, the show gets two solid thumbs up from me as well. It makes me glad, and very excited to be getting back into the mix of things.

- Of all things, I was blown away by the opening bout actually. I like it when matches have really deep rooted psychology and history, and Tawni proclaiming her love for The Darkhorse and the subsequent shellacking of Dan Kidd was well played.

- In retrospect Trey DaMann has had one of the most interesting accessions to the World title in the history of UWF.

- Jeremy deserves a standing 'o for that North American Championship match, as do Martin & Whitecross themselves. Out of all of the results, I am most curious where these two characters go from here.

- Sorry to see Dan Kauffman go out that way, retirement after one Firebomb is easy to understand let alone three.

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Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:11 PM
DaveG,Jan 2 2010
10:55 AM
Flouzemaker,Jan 2 2010
02:39 AM
DaveG,Jan 2 2010
02:07 AM
Not long after the PPV, in an AIM conversation, the fed head says to me "its time for you to start putting people over."

So, uh...

What's so awful about putting people over, and how to I avoid falling prey to this terrible predicament?




I keed! I keed!

Its not the losing that bothered me. I've probably lost more matches than I've won.

But in UEW, you were actually supposed to be capable of winning, provided you did a better job than your opponent. (In these days, feds are more angle based, but in UEW, it was more competitive), and I was being told that no matter what I did, I was going to be losing from here on out. At the time, it just seemed like any effort I would have put forth would have been wasted.

I find the idea that Alex Martinez, who is now probably the most monstrous of all monsterous wrestlers in e-w history, would be given a losing streak pretty funny. Even in his down time, Martinez is still considered some sort of overwhelming obstacle that'll take every ounce of determination and skill to defeat. Seven footers shouldn't ever be cannon fodder. :boxing:

Or maybe I've just become too scarred from memories of Vasquez needing to hit a no-selling Martinez with every weapon in the book to gut out wins. :bye:

Seriously, in the early 00s? You could hit Martinez with a car and he'd firebomb chokeslam the car. :crying:


thanks for reminding me of the worst AE beating in History.

God love Jay and that email...

Hey, you're going to get a title match against Styles but you're never getting there. Instead you're going to get Firebombed into the hood of a stretch limo about 4-7 zillion times by Alex Martinez. And oh yeah that's your next feud partner. How soon can I have you're part of the on-card? :facepalm:

That's still my favorite Jer match and not because by some miracle I won either. Extreme literally throws everything at Martinez who just keeps going and going. That it takes pure luck for Extreme to win. AE's on a stretcher in 4 segments later Martinez is winning the American title.

In today's e-w, I'm not sure that match or the turn of events could even happen on a PPV.


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By my count of the "clang!" sound effects, Vasquez hit Epstein with 16 chairshots at the end of Gold Rush. Not to mention Epstein was knocked unconscious before that by the combined might of a Big City Driver and a City of Angels within seconds of each other. In their first match, Vasquez broke one of Epstein's fingers and it was implied that he might've broken his ribs and jaw.

Yet...the limo was the worst beating he's ever had?

I'm gonna need to up my game. <_<
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DaveG,Jan 2 2010
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KliqerT,Jan 2 2010
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DaveG,Jan 2 2010
05:37 AM
Flouzemaker,Jan 1 2010
10:06 PM
Kickair,Jan 1 2010
09:55 PM
Overly_Critical_Jue,Jan 2 2010
02:45 AM
It's TNM and without it, me and Doran would never have evolved into the degenerate messes we are today. Heck, we should STILL use it!

[Trey DaMann goes for a clothesline, but Juan Vasquez counters with a duck-down move.
Juan Vasquez punches Trey DaMann.
The crowd showers Juan Vasquez with a chorus of boos.
Juan Vasquez further incites the crowd.
Juan Vasquez is getting a good reaction.]

Look at the emotion in that writing! :D

Although this may help out with the timeliness of cards coming out... You may be on to something here.

Hey, I wouldn't mind it so much if such programs were used for a B show or and stuff like that. It's no grand literature but if it helps churn out results with less effort and faster.
"A" show and main events should preferably be spared.


And what's with all the armbar hate? I'll never pretend it's the world's most spectacular move but it beats a backslide any day.
What was I supposed to do? The market on DDTs, Sentons (esp. Tommy Stephens Style), Suplexes, Slams and Powerbombs was already cornered, so I just latched on to what was left.



But that's getting off topic.


I'll have to concur: Annis and YGW make timely returns (if they do stick around). The UWF is a little bit starved for faces due to the overwhelmingly high number of heels (what else is new?).

Anytime you see me making armbar jokes, I am referring to the incident in UEW that Jer was talking about. In general, I don't have a problem with armbars :)

I think if you did a search for it, you would see Jeff or I giving out the exact details.

The armbar deal was at was a UEW incident? I could have sworn it was a Wrestlebowl supercard incident. Or am I mixing things up again?

The one I am talking about happened in UEW.

Briefly, Rick Styles and Alex Martinez have a match for the Ultimate Title at Rumble in the Bronx. (98? I can't remember).

There are a lot of shenanigans in the match, including Alex Extreme having a heart attack. (Jeff can rant about that).

At the end of the match, Styles gets AM down, and (in the match writer's words) PULLS on AM's arm until the arm is wrenched out of its socket and the extreme pain causes AM to faint and lose the title. Thus, the "ARMBAR OF DEATH!"

Not long after the PPV, in an AIM conversation, the fed head says to me "its time for you to start putting people over."

About a week after that, Pat contacts me and asks me to feud with Black Dog in G-Pro, for a series of three matches. (And those were some crazy ass matches).

On the back of that feud and my constant harassing on IRC, Blue offers me a roster spot. My choice then becomes losing to everyone in UEW or getting a chance in EMWC.

Not surprisingly, I say adios to UEW and head to EMWC.

And on my way out of UEW, I lose my last match to a backslide, thus giving Colby the title. (I think it was Colby, I could be wrong).

Okay, so it wasn't that brief. :)


This seems to be my cue.

It's the end of the drug/steroid angle for Alex Extreme which no question has to end with horrible crash and burn moment. There's no question Extreme's going to OD just a matter of when.

I make it clear I think it'd be the ulitmate F'U to Styles if just when he could win, Extreme ODs and no one can count the pin or ring the bell. I also make it clear if that's not possible have so it occurs and doesn't screw Martinez or the outcome.

JJ, the UEW fedhead at the time, decides he like the OD to screw someone over only does it in REVERSE! Worse for me, the whole Extreme's like dying right there and then is totally swept under the rug! The angle I worked on all summer ends with a total whimper instead a of cliffhanging shocker it should have been.

That whole match and scenario is an example of UEW at it's stupidest. Everybody else in the fed thought/knew Martinez should win. Most people also knew Mark was leaving for UWF at the time. But IMHO I don't believe Dave would have left if not for JJ and how he handled this.

Yeah, it was shocking upset but in the end, UEW loses both Styles and Martinez when really we should have just lost one. We also ended up with a main event where the outcome was pretty much decided the minute it was annouced.

And yes it was a backslide to Magnus Colby. The more amusing part I still ask to this day...

MAGNUS COLBY CAN DO A BACKSLIDE??? :D

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KliqerT,Jan 3 2010
12:29 AM
DaveG,Jan 2 2010
07:07 AM

Not long after the PPV, in an AIM conversation, the fed head says to me "its time for you to start putting people over." 

Geez, who was fedhead of UEW at that point? To flat out tell someone they have no shot of winning and will start jobbing and putting people over with no hope is terrible, that's one of the worst things a fedhead could do. All it does is de-motivate a handler, and make them look for a way out just like it did you Dave.

The only other time I can remember hearing a story like that was from the handler of Scott "The Fop" Rogers when he left the IIWF. He said Jividen basically told him that during the Genesis angle he'd gotten wins over people he shouldn't have, and now was going to start losing to people he shouldn't to "balance things out". Again, talk about de-motivating.


That would be JJ aka J'ster.

Guy was a great match writer. Its weird because that summer was some pretty cool matches, feuds, and angles. But come RITB, it suddenly went to pot. All because Mark (Rick Styles) was going to UWF and JJ _BADLY_wanted to keep him.

Actually Mike, we could blame you for this mess. :P

Oh wait, you took Styles.

Nevermind. :D
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KliqerT,Jan 3 2010
12:29 AM
DaveG,Jan 2 2010
07:07 AM

Not long after the PPV, in an AIM conversation, the fed head says to me "its time for you to start putting people over." 


The only other time I can remember hearing a story like that was from the handler of Scott "The Fop" Rogers when he left the IIWF. He said Jividen basically told him that during the Genesis angle he'd gotten wins over people he shouldn't have, and now was going to start losing to people he shouldn't to "balance things out". Again, talk about de-motivating.

After losing to said Genesis member Requiem, JJ wrote to tell me "I see your character as someone who is always a heartbeat away from the big title, but never actually wins it." This to me sounded like "I intend to tease your cock multiple times, but never actually let you shoot your wad.", and had the intended motivation effect thereof.

Hell, the IIWF might still be around today if he was made head writer instead of head booker.

And Jividen was J'ster?? :blink: Or is there more than one JJ?
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sychosys,Jan 4 2010
07:27 PM

And Jividen was J'ster?? :blink: I guess that explains why Rod feuded with a "nobody" then...

No, they are different people, unless "JJ Sylvia" was a pseudonym for "Jim Jividen" or vice versa.
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Yo Its X,Jan 4 2010
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Actually Mike, we could blame you for this mess. :P

Oh wait, you took Styles.

Nevermind. :D


Hey now, there have been worse champions in the UWF than Styles.

Yes, I mean my character. :P

Moo.
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DaveG,Jan 2 2010
02:07 AM
About a week after that, Pat contacts me and asks me to feud with Black Dog in G-Pro, for a series of three matches. (And those were some crazy ass matches).

Please... please... PLEASE don't mention the Crotch Bite Of Death...

...oh shi....

:facepalm:
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keenings,Jan 5 2010
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DaveG,Jan 2 2010
02:07 AM
About a week after that, Pat contacts me and asks me to feud with Black Dog in G-Pro, for a series of three matches.  (And those were some crazy ass matches).

Please... please... PLEASE don't mention the Crotch Bite Of Death...

...oh shi....

:facepalm:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

crotch bite of doom!

I'd forgot about it. More amusing was I had to talk it up to promote UEW hardcore at the time. :D
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