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PVW, Heatwave 09.23.11
Topic Started: Sep 23 2011, 02:35 PM (1,774 Views)
Overly_Critical_Jue
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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...only with less ass hanging out. :(
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RedRajah
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Nah. I never read Flouze's stuff anymore anyway. :P

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Overly_Critical_Jue
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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I only used that as an example, because I didn't want to state my first thought... which was that you're using Rose/Black as a surrogate for Kinsey/Vasquez slash. :wacko:

Whatever. I ship Black/SCD :spam:
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RedRajah
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Everything I know about slash, I learned from reading TV Tropes. :celery:
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dalbellorage
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Sorry guys, did I miss a match? The only thing I was aware of for the PoR is the upcoming match. Probably missed an update. The Prophets never tend to get any cards off. :)

The last thing I knew was at Tradition versus HEAT.

Anyway, if you want to put them on hiatus until December or out of PVW right now it's cool. I'm overdloaded at work right now. So I've been doing what I can when I can.

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RedRajah,Sep 29 2011
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I saw you'd replied and I was hoping that you'd shed some light on the Rose and Black are gay comment I threw in there.


Is Black gay? No. And at this stage in his career, I don't think he's capable of developing a healthy romantic relationship with anyone -- male or female. He's very much a narcissist.

Is Rose gay? I don't know yet. That's not meant to be a cop-out; it's just a case of if Jacob is gay, I want it to be organic and not just tacked on. But even if Jacob is gay, he doesn't have romantic feelings towards his client. This isn't Burns/Smithers by any stretch of the imagination. What I think Jacob has is an overdeveloped sense of duty, if that makes sense. He's like the poor schlub from Legal Aid who ended up drawing the short straw in being assigned to defend the SOB who's charged with murdering his wife and infant and all evidence is screaming "GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!". And the schlub still feels duty-bound to give his client the best defense he can anyway even if he thinks he's guilty because that's what he's supposed to do.

Or, to use another example, Tony's psychiatrist from the first seasons of "The Sopranos" -- I can stand separate it from him; I can disagree with what he does but maybe I can keep him from getting worse.

When I initially created Jacob, I wanted him there to be a humanizing element in case Black ever needed to turn face. However, it also stands to reason that the opposite could happen -- that Black can be a dehumanizing element on Rose.

Perhaps, anyways.

This was a F-in' fantastic explanation and I learned a lot about two characters that I wasn't necessarily gaining from the shows. Not that you wouldn't have revealed it eventually, but you just added a fantastic ray of light on a duo that I was already keeping an eye on.

Thank you.
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I'm sorry if maybe this might not have come across in the recent past... but Rob Cole has always been a nut case. He's an angry nutcase, but a nutcase all the same. He will occasionally throw humorous and non-sensical moments into his flashes...

But moving on to the Coles' wife beating down Craven thing... Seriously? Cole has been on the receiving end of beatings throughout the entire cycle before this. Craven has been an absolute monstrosity for a long time... the "beating", as it was written, was a quick attack after a ten minute match. It wasn't designed to be a contest of strength, it wasn't designed to be some sort of heroic stand against the beast. It was a quick and surprising sneak attack from a completely unexpected sort. It was psychological more than physical, hence why Craven wound up in cuffs quickly and why I didn't actually have him get seriously beaten. He's smiling at the end.

Why not use Cole himself? Because we've been running an angle where Craven has been threatening the Family to get to Cole... why, precisely, wouldn't the mother stand up and defend herself and her child? If Cole did the attack then that would have, honestly, been boring and sort of dismissive. I was hoping for an impact from this reaction, but the reaction I've been reading is kind of frustrating.
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Picky
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Eh, it basically said: yo, Marley, yo everyone else whom Craven has made suffer, you're lower in the pecking order than Cole's wife.

If she had done something more drastic or Craven managed to put his hand around her neck and Cole go ballistic while his wife frantically stabs Craven to reinforce that Craven has no off button, I would have bought it more than Bill being turfed.

The lack of urgency and power situation is what made it a hard sell.
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Berger
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Wooooooo!
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She shoulda kicked him in the Daddy Bags :P
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rcole
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As a writer, I tend to try and stay away from the crotch shots... it actually frustrates me if Cole does a crotch shot that I didn't strat in there for a very specific reason. At this point, the crotch shot is so unbelievably common place it's become a familiar trope and carries absolutely NO shock value.

A solid shot to the bridge of the nose would have just as much devestation and pain value as would a well placed drive to the sternum. I find it much more debilitating when someone has given me a kidney punch than one someone hauls off and kicks me in the jimmy, personally. So, excuse me for thinking that a solid piece of bamboo driven between the eyes would stun and stagger someone. Of all the times I've been criticized for my writing this is the one time that actually has managed to drop my jaw.
I probably need to avoid this board as much as I avoided socializing on IRC, because someone is always going to make a big deal over SOMETHING I try to write for dramatic impact.
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Codered
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I guess maybe I should add my two cents in since I ran the piece. I didn't have an issue with it. Craven for the last cycle got all the heat in the Cole being scared of him angle.

I thought Mark went above and beyond to sell the feud and story and make Craven look even better.

This cycle was suppose to offer up Cole starting to get some of that heat back. Moze has had a pretty busy cycle himself so I know this cycle hasn't gotten so smooth in the story/driven department ...

but ... I saw this as a very protective woman/mother who has always ran with very tough men (Cole and Retribution from past AWMC story lines).

In my mind a protective mother (remember what Bill had done with Cole's son ...) would have the guts and means to strike.

Craven never flopped down like a wounded fish. It was made to look like he was surprised and then cuffed before he could react.

He smiled as the blood dripped down and there was no intent to kill any of Craven's superman/juggernaut build he has had over the past years.

As for the verbal beating ... it was nothing out of line that an angry protective woman would spout off. Or anything that came across any different from the verbal bashing that Craven himself offer up on a number of occasions.

I think the fact it was done to Craven who hasn't been the most selling of characters over his career is what shocked people the most. But, I really didn't see anything wrong with it.

I guess I'm in the minority.
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It got people talking... therefore: Win.
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Overly_Critical_Jue
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I get the idea, but I don't understand if I completely bought the execution. That being said, controversy creates cash. Well...whatever "cash" is in the e-w world. :P

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I probably need to avoid this board as much as I avoided socializing on IRC, because someone is always going to make a big deal over SOMETHING I try to write for dramatic impact.


And speaking as a fellow writer, I don't think I'll ever understand someone who doesn't like seeing their work talked about, good or bad. I feel we all learn something from good discussion about anyone's work...or maybe I'm just a masochist.
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This Heatwave thread turned into a lighting rod thread!

In the end I like how Moze played the ending ... he did a good job. I don't see why there should be any hard feelings.

I know from my stand point I will take criticism over nothing being said at all ... That at least means you guys are reading the shows! :P

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Overly_Critical_Jue,Oct 7 2011
11:24 AM

And speaking as a fellow writer, I don't think I'll ever understand someone who doesn't like seeing their work talked about, good or bad. I feel we all learn something from good discussion about anyone's work...or maybe I'm just a masochist.

As someone who's always eager/desperate to see her writing talked about, I concur. Much like Terry, I'm also a masochist on that front. :P

I thought you made your point pretty clear, Rob.
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