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PVW - Boiling Point II, 11.11.11
Topic Started: Nov 13 2011, 07:52 PM (1,294 Views)
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That explains his name.

"Everyone is changing their first names to adjectives; you want to be cool, Wright?"
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Picky,Nov 14 2011
06:15 PM
That explains his name.

"Everyone is changing their first names to adjectives; you want to be cool, Wright?"

Wish Brian would've clued me in on the happenings at the end.....Tiegs would've been first to the ring chair-in-hand-and-swinging in these kinds of cases, not seemingly last.
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ShaunSindelman,Nov 14 2011
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orklad,Nov 14 2011
04:42 PM
That...is one big show.

My initial thoughts are:

1. I don't think anyone on the PVW roster has any blood left...they've all left it on the mat.

2. I don't know that there's a group of faces that can stand up to HOPE...which is interesting.  I wonder if another group of heels will coalesce to take the fight to them if they get stymied?

It'll be interesting to see where things go from here.

I'd like to know how the original individual adversaries of the faces play into all this ... ie. does Sinister even care about The Biz now that he is facing a larger enemy in the cohesive unit of HOPE?

I don't think that'll be a huge issue. I mean, HOPE looks strong post-BP, but they didn't really gain any members. They lost L&G, and replaced them with HvD and Weaver. That still leaves them at 4 members. Hayes needs a new challenger (President Daniels?). HvD needs a new opponent (Senor Cloak Dos? And that's assuming HvD/Fontana is over, which it might not be). Uncle Frank needs a new challenger (assuming Manson/Frank is over, which again it might not be). And Weaver needs a challenger (Weaver/Tiegs seems a perfect introductory for both characters). And that's not even taking into account the possibility of someone like Craven or Detson or Spectre or Manson moving into the title feud, which could push Daniels down to HvD in the above equation... just examples of course, but you see what I'm getting at. And I haven't even mentioned AsH, who might not be getting another title shot but no doubt likely will play a role in this.

While I agree with the fact that there isn't really a strong face contingent... I don't think there's any need to literally have every face on the entire roster drop everything to focus on nothing but HOPE. There really are strong contenders to the heels on the roster... I think the ending was done to strengthen HOPE, not to necessarily spell out their feud partners (though, obviously, I'm sure some were involved there).
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Matt Tiegs,Nov 14 2011
03:35 PM
Picky,Nov 14 2011
06:15 PM
That explains his name.

"Everyone is changing their first names to adjectives; you want to be cool, Wright?"

Wish Brian would've clued me in on the happenings at the end.....Tiegs would've been first to the ring chair-in-hand-and-swinging in these kinds of cases, not seemingly last.

Except he can't be, not right now.

First off he calls out the world champion which always irks me when a new comer comes in and that's the first thing they do. I did like the discussion of the stable name though and, overall, I thought the debut set up Tiegs well. The character has been out of action for ages and, while known to some of us (I was in OSW too), it's making an assumption that he's known well enough to do that.

That first one is my main bone of contention with any debut though, just like I disliked the gigantic Sammy Knight debut thing.

Secondly: chair swinging is not something faces do in PVW. Just... doesn't happen unless it's one of the HARDCORE style folks and even then that isn't all that smiled upon. Unless Tiegs is stretchered out, having him clear the ring also undermines what that segment was supposed to do.

The major point of contention is Tiegs going out first shunts the faces who've a) faced Hope members, b) had long standing in the fed, and c) have a reason to go down there other than being a good guy down a peg to elevate Tiegs.

While it would be keeping with the character, the fed's overall situation must take precedence over personal wishes and characterization at times. This is one of those times.
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PVW's gonna fine him for breaking kayfabe like that!
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Picky,Nov 14 2011
06:59 PM
Matt Tiegs,Nov 14 2011
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Picky,Nov 14 2011
06:15 PM
That explains his name.

"Everyone is changing their first names to adjectives; you want to be cool, Wright?"

Wish Brian would've clued me in on the happenings at the end.....Tiegs would've been first to the ring chair-in-hand-and-swinging in these kinds of cases, not seemingly last.

Except he can't be, not right now.

First off he calls out the world champion which always irks me when a new comer comes in and that's the first thing they do. I did like the discussion of the stable name though and, overall, I thought the debut set up Tiegs well. The character has been out of action for ages and, while known to some of us (I was in OSW too), it's making an assumption that he's known well enough to do that.

That first one is my main bone of contention with any debut though, just like I disliked the gigantic Sammy Knight debut thing.

Secondly: chair swinging is not something faces do in PVW. Just... doesn't happen unless it's one of the HARDCORE style folks and even then that isn't all that smiled upon. Unless Tiegs is stretchered out, having him clear the ring also undermines what that segment was supposed to do.

The major point of contention is Tiegs going out first shunts the faces who've a) faced Hope members, b) had long standing in the fed, and c) have a reason to go down there other than being a good guy down a peg to elevate Tiegs.

While it would be keeping with the character, the fed's overall situation must take precedence over personal wishes and characterization at times. This is one of those times.

While, I understand where you're coming from, Dave (god I'm terrible with names, but I'm fairly sure Picky = Dave)....just the way the character is....he'd be the first face out in times when a fellow face is attacked. At the very least, to continue the continuity...Tiegs would've made a beeline for Uncle Frank first-and-foremost.

Hrm....Dave pointed out something that really counteracts something I just typed up on a spur of the moment. I was planning on Tiegs sending in footage of a "declaration of war" against HOPE and it's figurehead. Hrm...might have to tweak that to just focus on the group as a whole then....Dave, your thoughts (if you want PM me or ask me for my AOL/MSN/Yahoo id, I'd enjoy the discussion)?
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For now I just want to say the ending of the show... FFN GOLD STAR! F-ing amazing ending!
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ShaunSindelman,Nov 14 2011
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orklad,Nov 14 2011
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That...is one big show.

My initial thoughts are:

1. I don't think anyone on the PVW roster has any blood left...they've all left it on the mat.

2. I don't know that there's a group of faces that can stand up to HOPE...which is interesting.  I wonder if another group of heels will coalesce to take the fight to them if they get stymied?

It'll be interesting to see where things go from here.

I'd like to know how the original individual adversaries of the faces play into all this ... ie. does Sinister even care about The Biz now that he is facing a larger enemy in the cohesive unit of HOPE?

With it being Rumble cycle .. The goal was to have everyone with their individual issues while having their issues all together standing versus HOPE.

That would tie a lot of things together for the Rumble itself. So at this time if things go as planned I don't see that as an issue. There will be another Sin/Biz match.
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Overly_Critical_Jue,Nov 14 2011
07:19 PM
PVW's gonna fine him for breaking kayfabe like that!

Uhm ... yes, that's a decent visual aid for people who don't know wtf Craven looks like. Just like that only, y'know, bigger...
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If it's any consolation Tiegs, different wrestlers will be in different parts of the building when everything is happening. You're likely going to see things at different times. So being the "first" out doesn't indicate any sort of enthusiasm... it indicates people closer to the entrance, people who heard about the incident, and people prepared to run down.

As a newcomer you should honestly be glad you were included.
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Yeah, Supreme running out next to last worked for me, since he doesn't like to help people. :spam:
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Any more thoughts? I've been thinking about going back and doing one touching on the cycle and stuff if there is any interest like I did last PPV.

But, figured I'd hear what you all thought first.
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Codered,Nov 15 2011
12:17 PM
Any more thoughts? I've been thinking about going back and doing one touching on the cycle and stuff if there is any interest like I did last PPV.

But, figured I'd hear what you all thought first.

I'm going to record my thoughts soon enough.
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Picky,Nov 15 2011
03:26 PM
Codered,Nov 15 2011
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Any more thoughts?  I've been thinking about going back and doing one touching on the cycle and stuff if there is any interest like I did last PPV.

But, figured I'd hear what you all thought first.

I'm going to record my thoughts soon enough.

Frightening ... Yet, I am intrigued! :P
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