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| [UWF] BULLET POINTS - EPISODE 1 | |
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| MBCKyle | May 1 2012, 03:27 PM Post #1 |
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Welcome to the first edition of [UWF] Bullet Points, where our two man panel debates various topics that cover the many facets of the UWF. First, our panel. Mike Sonby and Steve Carmichael have been in e-wrestling ever since it's inception at the dawn of time. When the saber-tooth tiger got cheap heat by biting off the head of a direwolf, they were there. When a T-Rex ripped a brontosaurus in twain, they were there to say the T-Rex's push was forced. One is the last son of planet doomed by its exploding sun. The other was bitten by a radioactive wombat. Perhaps we'll find out who is who? QUESTION ONE. Based on who is on the roster right now, what are the dream feuds? STEVE'S ANSWER: We saw a one off match and, but an extended program between "Dead End" Derek Martin and Juan Vasquez would be money. Although VVV is new to UWF, based on what I recall from USJP, I would love to see "Violent" Victor Frost vs "Vile" Vince Viper. I know VVV has only had a small handful of appearances in UWF, but given time, this could be a violent, bloody masterpiece of a feud. Based on the current roster, I can’t think of any dream feuds in the women’s division that hasn’t already happened. And for purely selfish reasons, I would want to see a run between Annis and Martinez. MIKE'S REBUTTAL: I need to see more of Viper to have an opinion. Martin-Vasquez would be a great feud. Annis-Martinez can potentially be epic, but one would have to clearly step up as the face. Annis-Caliban, on paper, was a 'dream feud' that never delivered, and I'd be worried about seeing the same with Annis-Martinez. --- MIKE'S ANSWER: The women's division is easy. For years they've had a lot of great wrestlers but no coherent storyline. Now, Laura Davis, Taylor MacKenzie, and Scottie Saratoga are declaring war on the rest of the division. Any three wrestlers joining together to stop them is a dream feud. We've already got Miyuki's feud with Saratoga and Tesla fighting with Laura Davis. For the men... honestly, I'd like to see the New Alliance break up and feud with each other. Derek Martin, Alex Martinez, and Serge Annis feuding? Those are three tremendous brawlers. Another dream feud? Victor Frost against Gamma Ray. I don't believe the two have ever feuded. STEVE'S REBUTTAL:You had a much easier time with the Women's division than I did. I disagree that any three women joining up would be worthy of a dream feud. If you get the right three? Absolutely, but I'm probably not the best to comment on who those three should be. Any combo of Martin vs Annis vs Martinez is scary, but we're banking on the fact that the three teaming is even scarier. Frost vs Gamma Ray would be interesting... I'd want to see that one with heel Gamma Ray. Heel vs heel feuds can be sticky, but I think it would work with those two. QUESTION TWO. If previous reputation was not a factor, what wrestler, team or personality from any other feds roster could sign with the UWF and make an instant impact? STEVE'S ANSWER: This one is tough for me to give an educated answer as I pretty much only follow UWF and MBC. From what I have seen, I think Flouze could make a huge impact in UWF if he ever brought in Perry Fontana. "Your Hero" Danny Daniels and "Jerry "Pure Power" Titus are about the only other names that spring to mind. MIKE'S REBUTTAL: Perry Fontana would be fascinating, because there are few true technical wrestlers in the upper card of the UWF. Titus would fit in fine. Daniels... the UWF has already had a long time partnership with the MBC, so I'm not sure if Daniels' brand of silliness would get him over. --- MIKE'S ANSWER: I can see a lot of natural feuds for William Craven if he were to ever come to the UWF. Annis, Martinez, Osbourne, Martin. Spectre could also be a natural fit. For Vasquez, the problem is to have a feud that hasn't been done in AWA. Gibson Hayes would be an obvious choice, but Nevermind would make a intriguing matchup. STEVE'S REBUTTAL: I am unfamiliar with any of Craven's more recent work, but I could see it. Not sure about Spectre (based on lack of awareness on my behalf). Any repeats from AWA for a Vasquez feud would be new to me, so I'd be happy with that. QUESTION THREE. Will history see the Insanity Society as a dominate tag team or will history see them as being the champions of a weak division? STEVE'S ANSWER: COULD the Insanity Society be a dominant tag team? Absolutely. Are they a dominant tag team? No. But I wouldn’t necessarily put the blame on a weak tag team division, because I don’t think that is the case anymore. The tag scene is shaping nicely but is still in a restructuring phase which is unfortunate for the champs. There are a lot of hot new teams that are developing (India Inc, Fire and Ice, Stars & Bars and to be selfish, Midnight Children) but no one is ready for a run at the tag champs just yet. Because of that, the IS have been left in the lurch waiting for a team to rise up and throw down, and I don’t see it happening any time soon unless Mike brings in a team from another fed or from UWF’s past. The IS are in the same unfortunate position Don’t Go There was previously in. I do see a light at the end of the tunnel. Unfortunately, I am not sure it will happen during the IS’s run. MIKE'S REBUTTAL: Yeah- but the IS has also been pretty passive (which I admit a large part of that is my fault). Normally the challengers chase the champions, but this might be a case where the champions have to go out of their way to bring out the challengers and dare one of them to step forward. --- MIKE'S ANSWER: Unfortunately, they'll be considered the champions of a weak division. There were almost no good tag teams when the Insanity Society won the belts- especially with Ryu Osawa suffering an injury and putting Don't Go There on the shelf. Then, the Insanity Society were set up for a feud with the Morningstars, who unfortunately left the fed before we could have the blowoff. The UWF has added a lot of teams recently- the Midnight Children, India, Inc., and Stars & Bars really standing out. But at this point, I think the Insanity Society are just the placeholders until one of those teams steps up to dethrone them. STEVE'S REBUTTAL: I just hate calling the division weak, what with the influx of colourful and vibrant new teams. The tag ranks are fresh again, but still cultivating. I think the IS can hang with the best of them... Just unfortunately, it isn't happening (yet). On a side note, it is unfortunate for The IS that the fued with The Morningstars didn't even have enough build to warrant a blow off. QUESTION FOUR. For each title, who is long overdue a shot? STEVE'S ANSWER: World Heavyweight Championship: "Nighthawk" Michael Bonn I know Bonn appears to be up for a run at the NA champion but if you look at the current roster, with the exception of Kyle Lee & Randal Osbourne, I don’t think anyone has been on the roster longer. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I can’t recall Bonn ever competing for the World title. Based on loyalty and longevity, I’d say Bonn is long due a shot at the big one. North American Championship: Gabriel Whitecross I don’t recall Mr. Whitecross getting a straight up rematch for the title. Champions, always stick that rematch clause in your contracts. World Tag Team Championship: The Prophets of Rage Let me be clear, I do not think they deserve a shot. But if I am being literal to the question, The Prophets are the only long standing tag team on the roster that aren’t currently holding the titles. Everyone else in the division hasn’t been around long enough to warrant a "long overdue shot". World Television Championship: "The Fantasy" Brett Young I had a hard time answering this question as I would argue that the TV title is one of the more frequently defended titles of the lot. Young gets his shot on this next show, but the build between he and O’Connor has been excellent and I find myself really rooting for Young. Kudos to the work from both characters, but it is a hot feud made even hotter with the TV title wrapped up in the middle of it. Women’s World Heavyweight Championship: The Women’s North American Champion I don’t handle anyone currently in the women’s division, and I know UWF has one (and always has had) one of the strongest women’s divisions… But I am having a hard time thinking of anyone that I would consider overdue, and an even harder time with the women’s NA championship. This won’t be a popular choice, but I think the women’s division could get away with unifying the NA and Women’s championship titles. Women’s North American Championship: The Women’s World Heavyweight Champion Like I said, I doubt it would be popular but I think it would honestly unify the two. MIKE'S REBUTTAL: Steve went for longetivity rather than who is most ready. I disagree about the women's division- there is enough talent for two champions. And I think Whitecross would be a step back- Frost needs new challengers. --- MIKE'S ANSWER: For the world title? The man who just had a title shot- Derek Martin. Martin's been just under the "main event" level for a long time, but he has everything you're looking for in a champion. Right now, he's in an interesting spot- he's part of a stable with two legends in Serge Annis and Alex Martinez- and that's a tough position to stand out from. I think once he stands out on his own, people will see his work- but he might need to leave Annis and Martinez behind to step up. For the North American Title? Michael Bonn. Bonn's been part of a tag team for years, but he is also the former Cruiserweight Champion. There isn't a Cruiserweight Title anymore, but Bonn is ready to step up in the single's rank. For the TV Title? Hmm... O'Connor has really been on a roll. I'm almost ready to elevate him to the North American Title. Brett Young is the obvious answer, but two other names I can think of are Orin LeBlanc and John Shock. We've already discussed the tag titles. The Midnight Children, India, Inc. and Stars & Bars are all ready to be competing for the title. And in the women's division, the entire group is dominated by the Trinity storyline. Davis, Saratoga, MacKenzie... Miyuki, St. James, Landis, and Blake. Any one of them can compete for either Davis' world title or Blake's NA title. STEVE'S REBUTTAL: Hrm... Maybe I was being too literal with this question? Martin is absolutely the most due a run/program at the title. Agreed that Brett Young is the obvious answer for the TV title. Those teams are still too young to be labelled due a shot. Maybe Fire and Ice should be considered, due to their history in the sport? QUESTION FIVE. Is Juan Vazquez/Gamma Ray the best possible feud right now to carry the UWF going forward? STEVE'S ANSWER: Not in its current state. Both men spent the previous cycle as strong heels. This cycle has been spent building them both up as faces (or at least blurring the line). I don’t buy it. One of them needs to pull the trigger and revert back to their previous ways for the sake of the feud, stat, because I’m not feeling it. MIKE'S REBUTTAL: We're looking at the same issue from different sides. Both were heels, both are quasi-faces... but where Steve wants one of them to be a stronger heel, I want one of them to be a stronger face. In part because so many of the challengers are heels. --- MIKE'S ANSWER: Yes and no. Both are tremendous talents, but both of them can also over complicate things. This is a simple storyline- Vasquez is the champion, Gamma Ray has returned to cash in his title shot, both men think they are the best. If they keep their focus, they can have a tremendous feud. The other concern is that neither has really defined their role with the fans. Both have been heels, but they've been feuding with the New Alliance over the past couple of cards. Juan Vasquez had been getting cheers when he won the title, but against Trey DaMann, anyone would have been cheered by comparison. It's like... both are afraid to embrace being the fan favorite, because then they'll get backstabbed by the other. And, given the history of heels winning the world title, maybe it's a valid concern. STEVE'S REBUTTAL: I think we are more or less on the same page here. You have an excellent point with the two being afraid to embrace being the fan favorite, and I think because of that, the feud is being overshadowed somewhat by other developments in the fed. By the way, dibs on the wombat. MIKE'S COUNTER-REBUTTAL: How come I always get the exploding planet? |
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| RedRajah | May 1 2012, 03:48 PM Post #2 |
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I still wonder if tag wrestling as a whole is in a lull because the WWE seems to care less about it and our hobby mirrors them. I admit, as handler of the former tag team champions, it was kind of frustrating to have no one want to actively challenge my team -- even after having an on card throwing down the gauntlet for it.
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | May 1 2012, 04:14 PM Post #3 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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One thing about Vasquez/GR embracing being a fan favorite... Yeah, maybe the fans have forgiven them(jury's out on GR, imo), but for both characters, I think it's a matter of being able to forgive themselves. They didn't exactly do petty crimes in e-w terms...they went full-out ultra mega mass homicide last cycle. Those sort of things should weigh on them for awhile. More than the title, I think the whole feud is about them growing into whatever their new roles will be. One thing I never liked about heel/face turns is how quickly a heel would suddenly forget he was an a-hole for the longest time and everyone's cool with him(see: Randy Orton). I don't expect anyone to quickly forget what JV or GR did to the UWF and nor should they. |
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| The DeWolfe Pack | May 1 2012, 08:56 PM Post #4 |
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This is a fantastic format, and I'm surprised it's never happened before, because it's such a solid, basic idea. On Vasquez-Gamma Ray... I like the inherent tension that one, or both, might turn at any given time. I'm not sure I'll like where it ends up, but I do dig the possibilities of where we are right now. Though I still think it would have been ideal for GR to turn face and be the one to take the title from DaMann after his cancer ruse was revealed. Derek Martin has always been in this weird spot - sort of like Ted DiBiase's WWF run - where he could have been a great world champ at any time, but he was always just one or two spots down the depth chart and the timing was never right. I think you could run with a D-Mart as main eventer program at any time with minimal preparation and it would go over like gangbusters. |
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| Kickair | May 1 2012, 09:25 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks John. We figured it might be a good way to stir up some constructive conversation. I'd like to pump these out with every show if at all possible, if anyone is interested in participating. Just needs two people to be asked some questions. If anyone is interested and up for a second edition, just let me know. I've got dibs on the moderator/question role for the next one. |
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| MBCKyle | May 2 2012, 11:16 AM Post #6 |
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Should the moderator be the one to come up with the questions? Or shall they be taken from responses here on the thread? |
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| Kickair | May 2 2012, 11:21 AM Post #7 |
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It is probably simplest to just leave it at the discretion of the moderator. I have no qualms about asking something from the thread if it is a good question. |
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| Kickair | May 3 2012, 08:21 PM Post #8 |
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By the by, I'm hoping to put out a 2nd set right after SNR hour 2 comes out. Any takers for some answers? |
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| crimsonjoe | May 4 2012, 11:59 AM Post #9 |
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I would prefer it to be two different people- but I'll step up to answer again. (Actually, any chance Terry and Flouze volunteer to answer the questions for the next Bullet Points?) |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | May 4 2012, 12:22 PM Post #10 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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I'll do it...but no one's gonna like my answers! |
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| Flouzemaker | May 4 2012, 01:28 PM Post #11 |
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Well, I already express my views a bit too much, and as they're considered too negative, I should probably stop doing it. You should ask guys who don't share their opinions as much, at least not publicly, like Garcia, DeWolfe, Bob, etc. |
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| RedRajah | May 4 2012, 02:22 PM Post #12 |
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I'd be curious about Bob M., DeWolfe, Kyle or Dro doing this |
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| MBCKyle | May 4 2012, 02:57 PM Post #13 |
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I'll take my turn to answer but I'll let others do it first since I was moderator the first go around. |
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| The DeWolfe Pack | May 4 2012, 07:31 PM Post #14 |
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I'd be willing to do it after the rest of FS #5 is done. If you need anything in the next few days, though, I really couldn't justify it. |
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| dalbellorage | May 11 2012, 06:57 AM Post #15 |
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I agree with you that a large part of the lull is that there is no creative spark in pro wrestling to add juice to tag-team wrestling. I also think part of the problem is that nobody has come up with a big story for a tag-team in ages. We're in more of an angle age than we are a stratting age and tag-teams have more typically been about competition. Your singles wrestler will get more attention and more in depth characterisation because it is easier to see how circumstances affect an individual's push, it's tougher to do that with four characters. The tag-team and their tag-team rivals. I've always loved tag-teams. The Misfits and the Prophets of Rage have been my most successful works, but you get a little burned out after a while. Both teams have been around since the late 80s, breaking up and coming back together. I've wanted to give the Prophets a last match for a while now just because I've lived with the idea too long. The Misfits have a rotating membership so it's easier to keep them fresh. PVW is doing a good job with its tag teams. There are a lot of good teams there, but even there the tag-team feuds do not take precedence over the individual feuds. I'd love to see a tag-team be the foundation for the biggest angle in a feud, but even in real wrestling usually if a tag-team gets big enough they spin them off into singles wrestlers. |
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