What kind of tournament do you want?

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What kind of tournament do you want?
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sychosys	Apr 6 2012, 01:35 AM Post #46
This Space For Rent Posts: 4,192 Group: Super Members Member #300 Joined: March 18, 2008	BigPoppaBuyrate,Apr 6 2012 03:19 PM How does this sound... A field of 32 are invited to participate in the tournament. Those 32 compete in qualifying matches throughout the months of April and May - some televised and some shown in highlight form. The Sweet Sixteen matches will take place on SNWs in June. The Elite Eight goes down on the 4th of July. And the Final Four and Finals takes place on Labor Day. The Rumble stays in its Memorial Day Mayhem slot and the winner gets the traditional shot at the World Title. However, competitors entered into the tournament can not compete in the Rumble. If they've been eliminated already in the qualifiers, than they can enter but otherwise they have to make the decision on which is their better chance to become the World Champion. Since the tournament would stretch to Labor Day, it would bump the Stampede Cup into an early 2013 slot. Thoughts? It sounds like a good compromise...which reminds me of the Calvin and Hobbes quote, "A good compromise leaves everyone mad." The plan as outlined means that you will not be able to advertise this as the biggest tournament ever, and will not have the novelty of giving everyone a chance. It means that the 16 top guys will not be eligible for the Memorial Day Rumble, severely diluting the field. It also provides for the logic of wrestlers thinking, "Hey, I'm better off losing this first round match and taking my chances in the Rumble than trying to win four more times." I think you're better off forgetting the compromise and making a hard choice about this tournament: elite or huge.



orklad	Apr 6 2012, 08:57 AM Post #47
The Luther Burger Posts: 1,481 Group: Super Members Member #33 Joined: February 6, 2005	I think that I'd probably push the Elite 8 into the same night as the Final Four and Finals, just to make it a bigger event, but that might very well make it simply too much to write in one shot. I think the concept is very workable.
	Orklad or Don, Lord of Pudding


ratrangerm	Apr 6 2012, 11:16 AM Post #48
Aging veteran Posts: 1,125 Group: Super Members Member #7 Joined: January 16, 2005	Going with a 32-man tourney would work... that allows you to cover nearly all the singles wrestlers in AWA but still allow for a few surprise entrants into the tourney. Looking at the current singles roster (excluding JTTS guys), you have 23 entrants, which allows you to have nine slots filled elsewhere, be it through some of the tag team entrants or surprise entrants. After the 16 first-round matches are done, you have 16 wrestlers who enter the Rumble, plus whoever among the tag team wrestlers who aren't entered into that field. So let's look at what we have here: * World title tourney: 32 wrestlers entered. You have 23 taken by the AWA singles roster. Four spots are granted to members of tag teams -- say one member of five different teams. Five spots are an "open invitational" but with the understanding that the wrestler who takes them will have to commit to an AWA contract if he wins the tournament. * Initial Rumble field: You have Lynches vs. whoever for the titles, so those teams are not entered into the Rumble. That leaves you with two full tag teams entered and the four tag wrestlers who didn't get World tourney spots, so eight initial entries. Add the 16 who do not win in the first round and that's 24 entrants, so six "open invitational" spots are left. I think I've done my math correctly -- and both the World title tourney and Rumble would have enough "surprise" entrants to keep people guessing as to who may show up.
	"Just as I discovered the meaning of life, it changed." -- George Carlin


BlueWORK	Apr 6 2012, 02:39 PM Post #49
Unregistered	sychosys,Apr 6 2012 01:35 AM BigPoppaBuyrate,Apr 6 2012 03:19 PM How does this sound... A field of 32 are invited to participate in the tournament. Those 32 compete in qualifying matches throughout the months of April and May - some televised and some shown in highlight form. The Sweet Sixteen matches will take place on SNWs in June. The Elite Eight goes down on the 4th of July. And the Final Four and Finals takes place on Labor Day. The Rumble stays in its Memorial Day Mayhem slot and the winner gets the traditional shot at the World Title. However, competitors entered into the tournament can not compete in the Rumble. If they've been eliminated already in the qualifiers, than they can enter but otherwise they have to make the decision on which is their better chance to become the World Champion. Since the tournament would stretch to Labor Day, it would bump the Stampede Cup into an early 2013 slot. Thoughts? It sounds like a good compromise...which reminds me of the Calvin and Hobbes quote, "A good compromise leaves everyone mad." The plan as outlined means that you will not be able to advertise this as the biggest tournament ever, and will not have the novelty of giving everyone a chance. It means that the 16 top guys will not be eligible for the Memorial Day Rumble, severely diluting the field. It also provides for the logic of wrestlers thinking, "Hey, I'm better off losing this first round match and taking my chances in the Rumble than trying to win four more times." I think you're better off forgetting the compromise and making a hard choice about this tournament: elite or huge. Killing me! Mostly because I think my heart wants to do the 64 man tourney even if my head thinks it may not be the best idea.
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sychosys	Apr 6 2012, 03:52 PM Post #50
This Space For Rent Posts: 4,192 Group: Super Members Member #300 Joined: March 18, 2008	If you listened to your head, would you have started the AWA in the first place?



Robfathah	Apr 6 2012, 04:53 PM Post #51
The Wisdom Cube Posts: 156 Group: Members Member #186 Joined: March 20, 2006	sychosys,Apr 6 2012 03:52 PM If you listened to your head, would you have started the AWA in the first place? Heh. Fuck it, do it big. I've got no problem tossing in a cameo or two, and I'm sure a lot of us either know people willing to do the same or are willing to do the same themselves. Maybe we can prevail upon Roger to do so, that would be like 32 of the 64 right there!



StevieScott	Apr 6 2012, 06:16 PM Post #52
...EVEN CHILDREN! Posts: 776 Group: Super Members Member #42 Joined: February 25, 2005	Screw a tournament. What we need is a media poll, computer power rankings, and a convoluted formula, and we get... The AWA's version of the BCS! This = money.
	"Destruction of Hell" start playing as Mason drop the mic and exit the ring as fans throw stuffs at him but he punch out most of the fans even children.


sychosys	Apr 6 2012, 06:26 PM Post #53
This Space For Rent Posts: 4,192 Group: Super Members Member #300 Joined: March 18, 2008	StevieScott,Apr 7 2012 08:16 AM Screw a tournament. What we need is a media poll, computer power rankings, and a convoluted formula, and we get... The AWA's version of the BCS! This = money. We've already got that! http://z7.invisionfree.com/JTF_Squaretable...post&p=22001884 It's Rex Summers vs Manny Imbrogno for the biggest prize in wrestling!



TheFlodaddy	Apr 6 2012, 06:31 PM Post #54
Robert Jebediah "Granddad" "Mr. Bitches" Freeman Posts: 626 Group: Super Members Member #242 Joined: March 22, 2007	BlueWORK,Apr 6 2012 02:39 PM Mostly because I think my heart wants to do the 64 man tourney even if my head thinks it may not be the best idea. To quote somebody far greater than all of us.. "listen to your heart... Take a listen and you'll know what to do!"



DaveG	Apr 6 2012, 06:49 PM Post #55
Bushido Brown Posts: 715 Group: Super Members Member #334 Joined: July 31, 2008	BlueWORK,Apr 5 2012 09:19 AM TheFlodaddy,Apr 5 2012 07:48 AM BigPoppaBuyrate,Apr 4 2012 11:24 PM I have to admit that I'm a fan of the 64 guy tourney and have been since the early discussions about this tournament that took place in e-mail. My promoter side likes the idea of being all, "The biggest tournament of all time for the biggest prize of all time!" and then going out and getting those most random one-offs and cameos to fill out the bracket. Like a random 2012 Juvenil Infierno vs Skywalker Jones in the first round or Sebastian Jericho vs Luke Steele in the feud the Double Eye didn't want you to see. Bringing in 4M and Maniac Jack to have some "legendary" off-camera bloody brawl... with a Mr. Honeydew run-in to complete the jobber trifecta. There are obvious problems with it - could be too long, too many "nobodies" get in and probably go right out, there'd certainly be no Stampede Cup this year, not sure exactly what the Rumble does either. Rumble winner could get a bye to the finals? Winner of tourney vs rumble winner for strap? Each fought through their own Private hell to get there. That was one of the options I was considering, yeah. Seems to make a lot of sense but I think the tournament would have to START after the Rumble then because that'd be the first choice for people. Win the Rumble and go directly to the Finals. But if you failed to win the Rumble, you could still battle your way through a 64 man tourney to get there. Starting it after the Memorial Day show is problematic though. That feels like a long way away and how do we maintain interest to that point. Plus, that puts us in a time crunch to run a 64 man tourney between the beginning of June and the beginning of September... which isn't impossible but might make things a little tight. I like the idea in concept, I think, but it's the execution I struggle with. Why not just invert it? The winner of the Rumble (and make it an AWA exclusive thing) is the new world champion. Then in the months leading to the next supershow, you have 64 man tournament with AWA wrestlers, and legends from all over the world competing for the right to get the first crack at the title. Since this is the AWA's world title, put the heat on the hard road it takes to actually getting a shot.



TheFlodaddy	Apr 6 2012, 06:57 PM Post #56
Robert Jebediah "Granddad" "Mr. Bitches" Freeman Posts: 626 Group: Super Members Member #242 Joined: March 22, 2007	So nobody would fight for the title for 2 to 3 months?



DaveG	Apr 6 2012, 08:15 PM Post #57
Bushido Brown Posts: 715 Group: Super Members Member #334 Joined: July 31, 2008	TheFlodaddy,Apr 6 2012 06:57 PM So nobody would fight for the title for 2 to 3 months? How often does the title get defended now? I'd say not all that often. How often did 80's Flair or Hogan defend the title on TV? I can't recall Hogan ever doing it during his first reign, and Flair maybe once or twice. So, on TV, no.



Overly_Critical_Jue	Apr 6 2012, 08:16 PM Post #58
Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez! Posts: 5,632 Group: Super Members Member #15 Joined: January 17, 2005	Way to devalue an already devalued title!



BigPoppaBuyrate	Apr 6 2012, 08:40 PM Post #59
Poppin' Buyrates Since 1996 Posts: 4,124 Group: Super Members Member #57 Joined: March 18, 2005	Robfathah,Apr 6 2012 04:53 PM sychosys,Apr 6 2012 03:52 PM If you listened to your head, would you have started the AWA in the first place? Heh. Fuck it, do it big. I've got no problem tossing in a cameo or two, and I'm sure a lot of us either know people willing to do the same or are willing to do the same themselves. Maybe we can prevail upon Roger to do so, that would be like 32 of the 64 right there! What does the Rumble do then? If we do a title shot at the winner of the tournament, would the winner then drop out of the tourney?



Overly_Critical_Jue	Apr 6 2012, 08:49 PM Post #60
Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez! Posts: 5,632 Group: Super Members Member #15 Joined: January 17, 2005	We might as well have the Rumble winner get the shot at SuperClash. I mean, Alberto del Rio technically had 3 title shots in his pocket when he won Money in the Bank, so it's not far fetched to have multiple opportunities...

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