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Blue's BST Review
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StevieScott	Oct 1 2012, 06:28 PM Post #16
...EVEN CHILDREN! Posts: 776 Group: Super Members Member #42 Joined: February 25, 2005	sychosys,Oct 1 2012 04:46 PM Blue forgot to mention this show's Karate Kid tribute! The role of Darryl Vidal was played by Supreme Wright. Logically, this would mean that Johnny was Stevie Scott, Daniel was James Monosso, and the Crane Kick was the Moonsault. So who is Miyagi? I hope the DVD release of this show has "You're The Best" playing in the background during the moonsault.
	"Destruction of Hell" start playing as Mason drop the mic and exit the ring as fans throw stuffs at him but he punch out most of the fans even children.


JeremyS	Oct 1 2012, 09:20 PM Post #17
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Posts: 2,373 Group: Super Members Member #46 Joined: March 6, 2005	BigPoppaBuyrate,Sep 30 2012 09:00 PM Kicking things off, I saw a few comments here and in e-mail saying I was crazy for doing a two night show with a Rumble and a tournament ending on the same show.� Totally agree! Please spend time with your family now. :-) Quote: One of my favorite spots in the match is Monosso countering the right cross into a crossface but it seemed so against what we know Monosso as, I had to ask Jer in mid-match if it seemed like something that Monosso would be capable of doing.� I figure that in the once upon a time when Monosso wasn't the lunatic he is quite yet, he must've known some wrestling moves so when Jer green-lit the idea, I was pretty stoked. Monosso has never had any technical ability at all. But a crossface is really not so much a technique move, and Percy would definitely prep Monosso with answers to Juan's big moves. Quote: I wanted Monosso to take some more punishment in this match but not a ton because I knew there was a limit to the believability that he'd be able to compete in the next round. My main (hopefully constructive!) criticism of the show in general is that we exceeded that limit by a factor of a lot. I feel almost foolish pointing that out since it is my own character and it's not like I didn't strat this. Plus I am super super happy and grateful about winning, so I'm conflicted in even pointing it out. But by the end of Night Two, it even exceeds the infamous Exploder-off-the-cell-as-a-midmatch-weardown-move in gratuity, which really makes the possibility of Monosso-Langseth kinda ironic, doesn't it? :-) Quote: There's an early mention of Langseth in here and his PVW appearance because I didn't think it could go unmentioned... plus it provides a little reminder of that situation since the Petrow thing HAD been planned for a while. I loved having part of this play out in PVW, in a way. I love when feds are interconnected and truly feel like part of the same game universe. I just hope the PVW-AWA in-universe 'rivalry' remains fun and tongue-in-cheek. It's fun when Bucky and Fred Hoyle trade little barbs. I feel like they'd probably be friends off-camera which is why they put each other over (in a way) on camera. Quote: We go from there to Jerby Jezz vs Stevie Scott.� This match was kinda the reason I hesitated to have Jezz this late in the tourney.� I knew it was a foregone conclusion yet I still had to find a way to make it worth reading.� That came in the form of a lot of Rave doubleteams but I was still uncomfortable with it because I hate when the WWE makes tag teams look weak by having one guy run them both over.� So, I tried to make it as much NOT that as I could. As one of the Rave handlers, I can say that I think this was done very well! This match was not pointless at all; on the contrary, it did a lot for the Rave and for the tag team division, and here is why: we again establish a connected universe. The tag teams and the singles exist side by side, and for the Rave to get in the face of a singles Main Eventer and pose a threat to him, even if we knew how it would turn out, enhances their credibility. In-ring credibility is important for a comedy/gimmick character. I have always felt that comedy characters were perfectly viable main eventers or champions so long as they could get it done when the bell rang. After this recent run by the Rave, starting from their upset of the Lynches, would you really think it is out of the question now for them to take on a VU or Bishops and come out with a win? You'd have to at least consider that reasonable now, based on what we have seen from them in recent months. So this match was super helpful. And for Stevie, he still looks like he had to basically beat a tag team to advance, so he gets that momentum as well. Quote: There's a Craven promo in here.� Craven is still a bit of an odd fit in the AWA, I think.� Right now, he's the king of the crazy weird promos that go on a bit.� If Monosso ever faces Craven, I think the promos might drive US insane.� I think IN the ring, Craven works well in the AWA as a big monster beast.� Outside the ring, it's more of a stretch because so many of you are delivering promos right in the vein of the 80s territories and Craven is more of a 90s type of character, I think. But when you consider his storyline, that makes perfect sense. He SHOULD stick out that way. He represents the darkest aspects of the 90s style. So for him to have that style difference is sensible. I'd even let him do "normal" e-w promo/vignettes, if it were me, just to have him stand out that much more. Quote: and quite honestly, I still don't think Travis has evolved enough that anyone would have bought him as a threat in the Elite Eight while Craven still raised some eyebrows as a possible tournament winner. I feel part of this is that Travis is basically Kerry Von Erich, who does not translate to e-w well. Kerry was a very visual competitor whose look was a big part of his success. But I could have bought Travis winning for one easy reason: he's a true babyface. I don't think it is unbelievable that he'd be a threat... after all, his brothers beat up everybody for almost a year! :-D Quote: I'm not sure Craven vs Lynch worked as a match.� I wanted to try something a little unique with it and the idea of Craven not fighting back and trying to "turn" Lynch was mine and mine alone.� If you didn't like it, don't blame Moze because he had nothing to do with it.� In hindsight, a more traditional monster vs babyface match might have been a better read but you can't blame me for trying! This psychology made perfect sense to me. It fit Craven's character. Quote: Oh, and the "Pyerks" thing drives me nuts. Sorry. :-( Quote: The now-infamous Marley promo was next.� I thought it was a pretty good promo.� I know Jer and Don have both said it was one of the best they'd read (or done in Don's case) for that character but honestly, I didn't really buy into it on that level.� I think in some fashion - which came across in Bucky's words after the promo, I'm sure - that promo bugged me.� It got under my skin.� I think it was the UEW stuff, to be honest.� It came across all shooty and what not... which just isn't really the AWA's style.� Try to picture that style of promo being done on WTBS.� It just all came across as so "woe is me."� It just struck me as a weird promo to do in that situation.� The promo would have served him better if all the UEW and PVW stuff was mentioned in vague terms and not that specifically, I think. However, I do believe that my words through Bucky were somewhat on target concerning Rick Marley - especially when it comes to the "what has he done?" part.� I'll take a large chunk of the blame for that but since his return, I think Marley has just kinda floated along.� We knew there was some kind of feud brewing with Nenshou but nothing really came of it.� But for someone who got a pretty big moment for his return, I think there wasn't much done with that. Yeah, I disagree with much all of this, and Bucky's response basically showed that Bucky missed the point of what Marley was saying. You forget that he was addressing Percy Childes. Go back and read what Childes said in his pre-BST promo. That is the context you have to remember; Marley didn't bring this up, Percy did.



JeremyS	Oct 1 2012, 09:36 PM Post #18
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Posts: 2,373 Group: Super Members Member #46 Joined: March 6, 2005	BigPoppaBuyrate,Sep 30 2012 11:26 PM As a side note, Terry had done several versions of the end of that promo with different opponents slotted in but I thought Wright versus Craven had the most potential considering Craven's angle. It was neat that he did that, because one of the difficulties in e-w tournaments is that in later matches, the handlers don't know who they are facing so you don't get much in the way of personalized statements where the character knows what has happened already. Quote: The dueling Wright/Craven promos were solid but ultimately didn't matter much to the booking since I already knew this was where Craven was making his exit. I again toyed with the idea of sending him through to the Semis but I couldn't find the value in it. I couldn't see where losing to Stevie or Monosso or Nenshou or Sharif would do him any good whereas losing to Wright wouldn't really hurt the character but would still accomplish what needed to be accomplished. The idea of Wright as the Cinderella story really started to take hold with me by this point. The backslide was just another way for Wright to squeak by an opponent. And now he and Martinez can bond with stories on how they lost major title matches to a backslide! BTW, I am pro-rollup move. A lot of times, especially in the 'golden days', guys would poo-poo an ending that involved someone getting rolled up. Fie on that, says I! This is a good way to have someone win a match via pinfall (clean or no) and the other guy looks strong. But many people seem to think it does the opposite. I do not get that. Quote: This one tortured me quite a bit. You can ask Jer. This one tortured him quite a bit. nods knowingly Quote: We had a few conversations about this match and how the different results would affect all of the characters involved. I really could have gone either way but as the tournament had progressed, I started to get a bit of a soft spot for the idea of Monosso going the distance. At this point, I knew I had other plans for Sharif. I knew Wright winning the whole thing wasn't going to happen. That left Stevie, Monosso, and Nenshou as the potential World Champions in my head and to be honest, I saw great possibilities with all of them. But the more I thought about it, the more I kept coming back to Monosso. It was such a big moment - something long teased as Percy has abused Monosso more and more over time. It was something we hadn't planned... we hadn't discussed until now... but it just seemed... right. I was fairly shocked, all in all. I thought if any of my guys would win, it would be Nenshou, especially based on the what-ifs we batted about for angles moving forward. Chris did ask what would happen if Monosso won, but overall I didn't really see it coming until he went with the "if Monosso is to win" option for my strat (where he attacks Percy). Quote: I tried the best I can to make Monosso/Nenshou something very special. I knew it should be since it was the first meeting between the two. It was an interesting match to write because Monosso can't be TOO strong considering the amount of punishment he's taken already but you don't want a complete squash until the comeback either. That's a very difficult set of plates to balance. I mentioned my thoughts on it earlier. I think it was a case of painting into a corner. Had Chris known earlier on what he was going to decide in the end, some of those earlier matches (even Carver and McBaine in the previous rounds) might have been less extreme.



StevieScott	Oct 1 2012, 10:11 PM Post #19
...EVEN CHILDREN! Posts: 776 Group: Super Members Member #42 Joined: February 25, 2005	I will say that I think the right guy won it if you combine RPs and storyline. The progression of Monosso during the tournament as a sympathetic fan favorite, culminating with actually WINNING the tournament, and where that takes him in the relationship with Childes...it just presents so many different possibilities that can have a trickle-down effect on others on the roster. It would have worked without the title, but it will work a lot better WITH the title.
	"Destruction of Hell" start playing as Mason drop the mic and exit the ring as fans throw stuffs at him but he punch out most of the fans even children.


JeremyS	Oct 1 2012, 10:26 PM Post #20
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Posts: 2,373 Group: Super Members Member #46 Joined: March 6, 2005	BigPoppaBuyrate,Oct 1 2012 01:07 PM NIGHT TWO Night Two starts with a VERY serious video package to show that we mean business. SRS BZNSS Quote: We go to the Control Center where they run down the Rumble lineup again only to be joined by Todd Michaelson and then interrupted by Stevie Scott. I asked John for this promo where Stevie is trying to get the counter to the crossface out of Todd because I thought it was a good way to show that Stevie was concerned about facing Wright, to put over Wright as a legitimate threat to Stevie's path to the World Title. I think the promo came off a bit more heelish than I would have intended... not sure if that was John's goal or not. I actually kinda like Todd and Stevie trading words and I always like the chance to reference a history between characters like the WarGames mention here. Stevie will always have that side to him. It would feel phony if he didn't. Quote: Terry does another awesome promo next which... just for an instant... makes me re-think putting Stevie over him. Supreme Wright is a character who needs to be "plugged in" and engaged in the people and events around him. Without that, he's not really compelling. With that, you get really good stuff like this. (The Matthews stuff was my favorite from him) Quote: There's a lot of Stevie rule-bending early and some talk about how he's the same guy he's always been. This is to make sure everyone remembers that and no one's surprised when he gets casual with the rules either in this match or the next. Stevie should always be "casual with the rules", IMO. It is who he is. Quote: The end was a little fuzzy to me. I knew I wanted Stevie to barely escape with the win but to be honest, Wright doesn't have a ton of non-submission moves on his app. I started thinking about a counter to something but most of Wright's moves had already been used and/or countered. Then it occurred to me... the Billion Dollar Bomb. Of course, Wright would try to use the move that showed he IS a Combat Corner student... but Stevie yanked out the legs, got the cradle, and got the three count. I said what I think about rollup finishes in the last segment. Having several on this card establishes that yes, they are legit finishes. I had no difficulty with that finish. Quote: The Unholy Alliance backstage piece where Vasquez makes the proverbial deal with the devil is next. He'll do Percy's bidding... if Percy delivers him Calisto Dufresne. Percy gleefully agrees... which can't be what Dufresne had in mind when he helped Monosso defeat Juan on Night One. Aw, poor Calisto. Pay attention to what Percy says. :-) Quote: Sharif promo was next. I love Jer to death but man oh man... sometimes he cooks up something that makes me scratch my head. This Monosso on drugs bit of the promo is the perfect example. It comes out of nowhere... really has nothing to do with the story other than potentially firing up Sharif... and just seems out of place to me. There was a similar strat for Sharif on Night One to avoid interference at the hands of Dave Cooper by sic'ng the officials on Cooper for having drugs in his bag. Weird. Heh, I needed to think of some way to counteract if Cooper interfered; Adrian sure as hell wasn't going to be able to stop him. So that came out of nowhere. The claims he made to fire up Sharif were just that, though. It is another example of Adrian's blatant lies and manipulation, and that fits with his established modus operandi. Please recall how blatant the lies that Freddie Blassie used to tell were. ("What do you mean I hit him with my cane?! That was trick photography! Trick photography!") Adrian will tell Sharif anything if he thinks it will serve his purposes. There was no 'angle' or 'story' to that; the story really is "Adrian Bathwaite is a blatant liar". Though you DO have to admit it's plausible! Quote: Then there was the Monosso bit about not being in the building. Another one Jer came up with on his own, stratted it, and I had to roll with it. =) This one turned out okay though, I thought. It made sense that Percy would try to screw him after Night One and it also made sense that Watkins would be ready for it. I had to sell Night One, which basically can be summed up as "James Monosso should be dead". And what would Percy do? I thought about having him help Monosso, for reasons that should be obvious if you think about it. But pride and hubris are the downfall of all heels. He was perfectly happy to eliminate Monosso out of spite when that wasn't in his best interest. He even changed his tune in mid-segment when he claims that he can name a surrogate! (Why didn't he say that to start with? Because he was trying to bluff Watkins! And because Jeremy didn't think it through.) Quote: When I first saw the Sharif entrance with the camel, I chuckled. Then when I saw what Jer wanted me to have Sharif do to that poor camel (yes, I realize how that sounds), I had to hesitate. Ultimately, I went with the noggin knocker on the camel but I WAS conflicted about it! But it did allow me to make some World Wildlife jokes so I was okay with that. The entrance was actually inspired by one of Terry Funk's entrances in his late NWA run against Flair, involving cowboys on horseback. It was the closest thing to a "huge event" entrance I could see doing in AWA. I was not sure if that spot was going to happen but it amused me to no end so I figured I would strat it and see if it'd happen. I tried to make it sound like the camel "didn't sell" because it was not hurt by that (well-trained camel!). Quote: The Hogan/Sheik spot? All Jer's idea. I just went with it and thought it was so awesome, I decided to end the match with it. Heh, I stratted that as a false finish, but it gets the King Kong Kneedrop over. That's a bit more legit as a finisher than the legdrop, anyway. Quote: VU is a bit of a problem for me. On one hand, I really love writing the team in the ring. They have so many cool spots... so many options for making them look like king-sized badasses. But they also suffer a bit from Road Warriors syndrome. They look unbeatable to the viewer. That pays off well when they lose because it's a big coup for the other team but it also makes them a little difficult to rally behind sometimes, I think. I don't know about that. The fans never had a problem rallying behind the Road Warriors. Or the Steiners in their heyday. Quote: Up next was the Blue/Craven segment. Again, when I decided to put Blue on the show, I knew this had to happen. It only made sense considering Craven's angle. It was an interesting segment to write because Blue should, naturally, be afraid of Craven... but that character has a certain level of ego that that wasn't gonna fly for long. So, eventually he gets mouthy and Craven comes after him. The problem is, after Character!Blue gets his 2001 on, I was rooting for Craven. Quote: Mr. Mensa comes in at 5... and honestly, we've only got one potential winner in the ring at this point. Rick Marley... and really, I think most people didn't expect him to win either. So, the first five guys are in and there's not a legit winner there yet. Glass ceiling CONFIRMED! Quote: Skywalker Jones' stay in the match is probably one of my most regrettable. I put him in too late to really have an impact and the character has been one of the highlights of the AWA in recent months and deserved better than that. Ironically, Supreme Wright was a victim of logistics in my PVW Rumble, so Terry has a case of this going on. (Though there seems to be a karmic element to that as we see later.) Quote: I really disliked the idea of having Jer face himself at SuperClash. Note to self: start making fake e-mail addresses... Quote: Supernova made a lot of sense to me. He needed a boost after 2012 wasn't the kindest year to him after a big end of 2011. Being the first two-time Rumble winner would be pretty awesome... but to me, I was putting him in another no-win position. I didn't believe anyone would buy him beating Monosso at SuperClash just like it was a hard sell that he'd beat Dufresne last year. I just thought I was putting him in a position to fail. I don't know about that; I think it would have been just the boost he needed. Quote: If you asked me flat out who had the best promos throughout the tournament, Supreme Wright would be at the top of my list... maybe at the very top. Then you don't need to justify anything any further. Quote: Sharif getting eliminated by Alphonse Green just... well, it amused me. It amused me too. I need to have Sharif mention this at some point by referring to Green as the "Battail Royal Shampwon" and giving him an inordinate amount of "raspec". Quote: And I do have to admit, the idea of Green winning did cross my mind for a second or two but I wasn't going to put him in the title match and I couldn't think of a way out of it. It would be easy; have Petrow or somebody con him out of it. I would have been highly amused by that ending, and since we're getting the Andre challenge at the end anyway, nobody would have been left thinking "wait, Alphonse Green is in the Main Event of SuperClash"? We would have known what was going to happen. That's not saying that would be better than Wright winning; I'm just saying it would have been doable. Quote: A couple days after the Lawler thing had happened, I was thinking of having Monosso fire up, pull down the strap, fistdrop, piledriver to win. But I kept going back to what someone had said about the piledriver not being as dangerous in the AWA as it used to be and I didn't want that to get any worse. The strap still came down but there was no piledriver. I'm not sure how that would have downgraded the piledriver. I mean, he could have dusted off the Mindbender* if you really wanted to go there! Quote: "I'm here for one reason... to challenge you to a championship match at the Wrestlemania." And Jim Watkins jumps right on top of a handcuffed Petrow to bloody him up. Now I am a) picturing Joe Petrow having the Andre Voice. b) picturing Jack Tunney running out onto Piper's Pit to regulate on Andre back in '87.



Overly_Critical_Jue	Oct 1 2012, 10:47 PM Post #21
Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez! Posts: 5,632 Group: Super Members Member #15 Joined: January 17, 2005	JeremyS,Oct 1 2012 07:26 PM Supreme Wright is a character who needs to be "plugged in" and engaged in the people and events around him. Without that, he's not really compelling. With that, you get really good stuff like this. (The Matthews stuff was my favorite from him) As the tournament progressed, I just kept wanting to get Wright through at least "one more round" so he could complete his story arc satisfactorily to my liking, since I knew the chances of actually winning the title amounted to nil(not that I didn't try as hard as I could to change that). It's one thing to get past Matthews, who didn't have an angle and I could straight up rp, but a guy like Cooper seemed like a nigh impossible mountain to climb, since he actually had a big angle backing him up. I gotta give credit to Rob, who early on said something to the effect of "My goal is to make it as hard as possible for Blue to decide the outcome of all my tournament matches." I took that statement to heart. Getting that e-mail from Blue where he said he was undecided about the Cooper match made me smile. It showed that at least I was getting to him a little. lol Of course, Blue(that bastard) kept throwing characters at me that made me think, "I'm not beating this guy unless I work my ass off" and I can honestly say that after every Wright promo I wrote, I was mentally exhausted. Then he threw THAT curveball at me. What a cruel joke...I should've just flaked.



sychosys	Oct 1 2012, 11:39 PM Post #22
This Space For Rent Posts: 4,192 Group: Super Members Member #300 Joined: March 18, 2008	Overly_Critical_Jue,Oct 2 2012 12:47 PM Of course, Blue(that bastard) kept throwing characters at me that made me think, "I'm not beating this guy unless I work my ass off" As opposed to me, whom Blue makes think "I'm not beating this guy even if I work my ass off" JeremyS,Oct 2 2012 12:26 PM BigPoppaBuyrate,Oct 1 2012 01:07 PM "I'm here for one reason... to challenge you to a championship match at the Wrestlemania." And Jim Watkins jumps right on top of a handcuffed Petrow to bloody him up. Now I am a) picturing Joe Petrow having the Andre Voice. This can be explained by all the brain damage Petrow suffered during the e-Wrestling Attitude Era. My worst fears about Blue going ahead with Rocky V booking have come to pass. StevieScott,Oct 2 2012 08:28 AM sychosys,Oct 1 2012 04:46 PM Blue forgot to mention this show's Karate Kid tribute! The role of Darryl Vidal was played by Supreme Wright. Logically, this would mean that Johnny was Stevie Scott, Daniel was James Monosso, and the Crane Kick was the Moonsault. So who is Miyagi? Bathwaite. It's a shame that Blue cut out all of those scenes of Bathwaite giving encouragement to Monosso, and healing him so that he could come out for all of those matches.



ratrangerm	Oct 2 2012, 11:50 AM Post #23
Aging veteran Posts: 1,125 Group: Super Members Member #7 Joined: January 16, 2005	Just some general comments as they pertained to my characters: On Dave Cooper, I had been writing in e-mails to Blue that the Final Four was the furthest that Cooper should advance. In hindsight, I would have adjusted that to the quarterfinals because the idea for the Cooper promo I came up with worked a lot better in terms of how Cooper could cast that "black cloud" over the tournament and the Rumble. He may have been gone from the tourney but he's still hinting that Royalty will have its say. I am disappointed, though, that the promo aired after Scott/Wright because Cooper had plenty to say about Wright as well, thus further adding to Cooper casting doubts in people's minds as to whether or not any of the Final Four participants were on the up and up. And I'm glad that Blue didn't keep having Gordon and Bucky harp on that throughout the show -- it would have been overkill. The best thing to do is let what the character says sink in with the reader and let the reader decide how much importance it holds. As for Supernova, I pretty much suspected that he wasn't going to win the Rumble again, but I thought Blue did a good job trying to boost him again, because he got to be the one who not only held off the Unholy Alliance, but sent them both packing. It's too bad some things fell through between me and Moze, and the whole Supernova/Craven feud hasn't really panned out like I hoped, but I thought Blue did the best he could with trying to get Supernova back on track. And, personally, I don't think I've had RPs for him that have been that strong -- but I'll admit that finding a feud or story I can sink my teeth into really helps. All you have to do is compare Supernova to Cooper -- there's no doubt in my mind that my best work has come with Cooper. Regarding the show in general, as I said elsewhere, it wasn't that I didn't think Supreme Wright didn't deserve to win the Rumble as Terry did an awesome job with Wright's promos, but that the storyline possibilities are kind of lacking with Wright facing James Monosso... especially if Terry still thinks Wright as somebody who is just here for the short term. My only concern is that Monosso, who had a great storyline for the tourney, combined with Jeremy doing some great work, could end up with a title match at SuperClash that gets overshadowed by others who have more intriguing storylines being set up. So... I see a challenge before Jeremy and Terry to put together a storyline that truly works. The good thing is both are very good writers who have plenty of good ideas, but right now... I'm feeling a bit underwhelmed by what has been set up with the World title.
	"Just as I discovered the meaning of life, it changed." -- George Carlin


Overly_Critical_Jue	Oct 2 2012, 12:33 PM Post #24
Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez! Posts: 5,632 Group: Super Members Member #15 Joined: January 17, 2005	We'll just plagiarize Preston/Monosso wholesale and no one will know the difference.



sychosys	Dec 25 2012, 09:31 PM Post #25
This Space For Rent Posts: 4,192 Group: Super Members Member #300 Joined: March 18, 2008	Overly_Critical_Jue,Oct 3 2012 02:33 AM We'll just plagiarize Preston/Monosso wholesale and no one will know the difference. Add a few Uggs to the mix, and you might be on to something!


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