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PVW Ideas considered...
Topic Started: Dec 3 2012, 11:56 AM (1,192 Views)
crimsonjoe
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Since the longer it goes, the worse things look for PVW, I wanted to start a thread to talk about ideas we considered for our characters but never implemented, just to get feedback on how well they would have worked.


I'll start with this one: Katie and I were talking about turning Max and Sal heel.


The idea would be that (after losing the titles) Max and Sal would slowly get more and more 'Hollywood', spending their flashes talking about the TV shows they were doing, the celebrities they were meeting, the parties they were attending. They'd get an entourage, including two masseuses (one for each), to hang out in their corner during their match. They'd stop caring about PVW, about the titles, about wrestling...

... that is, until they realized their 'Q' rating was falling, and that they'd have to regain the belts (which PVW should be grateful for- after all, Max and Sal are going to be on 'Storage Wars' in two weeks!). That should have pushed them over the edge into heeldom.

Thoughts? We never had a chance to bring up the idea, but I think it could have been fun.

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TheotherJC
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I like this.

Max and Sal are so humorous that I always though the heel turn would make them easy favorites for Heels of the year. They just exude that confidence and wit that makes a funny heel so readable.

The problem would be, IMO, finding a face team that is entertaining enough or enjoyable enough to give them an adequate foil to play off of and have people care about the match more than M&S' antics.

For my own idea, I had 2 ways to split Weaver's recent embracing of heeldom.

A. Weaver goes so far heel that he starts to freak out Johnstone and Gibby, and they begin to consider him a liability. This lead into a few different scenarios with feudability in quite a few areas, either as a Cat's paw or direct retaliation to the remainder of HOPE. Another potential wrinkle for this one was Weaver's budding friendship with one, Uncle Frank. Weaver would likely have stayed heel this whole time and taken a shot at any number of great faces.

B. "I just wanted to see how deep I could sink" was the basic premise of this scenario, where Weaver regains his code of honor again, likely as a tweener/face and possibly even chooses to be more righteous due to having gone so far the other way. I wanted to work a parellel program with 'Dro and SCD if this was the direction I was going to take this. Possibly feud with HvD.
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Wrote up a jobber tagteam called "The Firebirds". Pretty detailed too for JTTS-types...
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Well, since it's pretty much officially dead at this point, I'll elaborate on what was about to happen with Manson and Gold Rush.

For Manson it was a 100% face turn. Complete 180 degree switch. Something Bell had actually been pushing for for a long time. In a way, I'm almost glad it didn't happen, because after doing the first bit, it felt like it wasn't going to get off to as strong a start as it should have. The idea was that Manson was somewhat lost in his own gimmick, and finally realized that he was just playing a role rather than being his own man. Here's the Heatwave Segment: Unaired Manson Heatwave Segment

Gold Rush was supposed to start a feud with a new tag team that would have lasted the whole cycle, and would have been pretty interesting. I'll let the other handler elaborate on that if they wish, but we already had the entire feud outlined from start to blow off.

An idea I had that Brian also liked was an eventual Beau Wilson injury, which had Regnigh competing singles for awhile, and eventually would roll into a very personal Regnigh vs Manson feud. It's something that had been bouncing back and forth in my mind for a while, and even though it would have been somewhat odd to work against myself, it was a story that I felt I wanted to tell and that I thought could be pretty interesting. I already planted seeds of it through little interactions with Regnigh and Manson whenever they would cross paths - like in the Gold Rush & Manson vs Platinum Club & Uncle Frank six man, where Regnigh came to Wilson's defense when Manson was pissed at him for losing the match.

Manson also suffered because I was becoming more and more disinterested in writing for that character and struggling to come up with interesting things for him to say. I had a lot more fun with Gold Rush and all the fun I was having with them made writing for Manson seem like more and more of a chore. Part of that was my fault for pigeon holing him as a super serious angry dude, which limited him in terms of promos. I didn't want him to crack jokes and be funny, because it was out of character for him. Pretty much anything aside from "Grr. Angry. Kill you" had gotten to be out of character for him. The face turn was going to be an effort to revitalize the character and open up more avenues and possibilities for him.

As for Gold Rush - there wasn't a master plan for them. They were still very much in development but I think I had a fairly good chemistry going with the Student/Teacher aspect of the team.
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Guess I'll contribute mine... cause it was totally sink-or-swim so I'm curious to see how much everyone would have hated it LOL.

My ASLL plans with El Pollo Loco were a little more grandiose than most. Obviously Cow and Chicken needed a little shaking up, and I know I personally need to experiment more with Loco since I have Moo so cleanly plain in my head, to get the Chicken beyond the gimmick a bit. And I also really wanted to get something going in ASLL that went beyond the usual "PVW guy guest stars to beat up Mexican luchadores" schtick... as some have noticed, the intermingling of feds has become something of a hobby for me recently. :)

So. Loco was going to kickstart a feud with an ASLL guy over the Light Heavyweight Title... by getting unmasked.

His whole persona is tied to the mask. Without it, he was gonna sink into a deep depression, refusing to accept the El Pollo Loco name or character. This would, obviously, have rolled over into PVW, where "Cow and Chicken" would have become "Cow and Steve", as Moo tried desperately to pull the depressed (but still moronic) Chicken out of his hole.

It also finally led to actual PVW direction for C&C as well, as Don and I finally got a story built between C&C and Sons of Anarchy. SoA was gonna "bully" Loco around, causing the depressed and half-retarded Steve to start dressing and acting like them trying to fit in. The Berserkers were also planned to tie into it, sorta turning into a brief Berserkers/Moo vs SoA/Loco feud, leading to Berserkers/SoA fighting for the ASLL Tag Titles while the inevitable Loco/Moo match happens, where Loco was presented with a "new and improved" mask and Cow and Chicken reunite to take on the "team that tried to break them up" in the following cycle. Hopefully through it, I'd end up with a slightly (but ONLY slightly) more mature Loco and a more passionate reason to care about C&C other than a few laughs, while giving good rub to the SoA/Berserkers ASLL feud and providing two cycles worth of material for the tag team midcard. And, uh, giving Don and I both motivation to really get our teams jelled into that awesome tag division that neither C&C nor SoA had quite found their place in yet.

I do admit, I'm sad this never happened... Pedro did an awesome job of building towards it in ASLL, and I have the "depressed Steve" voice refined enough that I'm either gonna run a similar angle elsewhere with C&C or maybe run the voice as an entirely new character someday.
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"So. Loco was going to kickstart a feud with an ASLL guy over the Light Heavyweight Title... by getting unmasked.

His whole persona is tied to the mask. Without it, he was gonna sink into a deep depression, refusing to accept the El Pollo Loco name or character. This would, obviously, have rolled over into PVW, where "Cow and Chicken" would have become "Cow and Steve", as Moo tried desperately to pull the depressed (but still moronic) Chicken out of his hole."


Hmm... Sounds familiar :D
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crimsonjoe
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Continuing the thread...

I kept going back and forth on what I wanted to do with Danny Daniels. I didn't do a very good job with the EMWC Presidency, and at times felt like the character was completely lost. Here's some of the ideas I had:

1) take Danny out of EMWC and replace him with a new character (the new character will be showing up in Jerod's fed very soon, and I have to admit I'll wonder how he would have worked in PVW)

2) Have Danny kicked out as EMWC President, probably by shenanigans from Chance Holiday. Danny then grows despondent and disappears for a few shows, then returns as the (not so very) mysterious 'Citizen D', a masked vigilante (wearing a Danny Daniels mask) fighting for truth in a world that does not appreciate him.

3) (thank Don for this idea) Fight Club: Danny would start getting found backstage, the victim of an assault, for several weeks in a row. No clue to his attacker his- Danny claims that it's Jack Griffin.

Finally, in a tag match, Danny goes nuts, attacking his partner and leaving people in the ring. Grabbing the microphone, he announces "Danny? He's no longer here. He couldn't handle the job, so I'm taking over. My friends call me Jack- you can call me Mr. Griffin"

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crimsonjoe,Jan 4 2013
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Continuing the thread...

I kept going back and forth on what I wanted to do with Danny Daniels. I didn't do a very good job with the EMWC Presidency, and at times felt like the character was completely lost. Here's some of the ideas I had:

1) take Danny out of EMWC and replace him with a new character (the new character will be showing up in Jerod's fed very soon, and I have to admit I'll wonder how he would have worked in PVW)

2) Have Danny kicked out as EMWC President, probably by shenanigans from Chance Holiday. Danny then grows despondent and disappears for a few shows, then returns as the (not so very) mysterious 'Citizen D', a masked vigilante (wearing a Danny Daniels mask) fighting for truth in a world that does not appreciate him.

3) (thank Don for this idea) Fight Club: Danny would start getting found backstage, the victim of an assault, for several weeks in a row. No clue to his attacker his- Danny claims that it's Jack Griffin.

Finally, in a tag match, Danny goes nuts, attacking his partner and leaving people in the ring. Grabbing the microphone, he announces "Danny? He's no longer here. He couldn't handle the job, so I'm taking over. My friends call me Jack- you can call me Mr. Griffin"

PVW?
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I seriously want to see all of those Danny Daniel scenarios play out! The MARKING OUT would be non-stop!
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There was absolutely nothing planned for Wright. I probably would've had him nurse Jessica Marshall's comatose body back into full health in a series of melodramatic English Patient-style rps to pass the time or something.
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Adrian Freeman was going to feud with the now happy-go-lucky Manson. We hadn't really planned much beyond that.
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Dawson was going to feud with Langseth and Petrow to defend the honor of PVW, and eventually blossom into a Hulk Hogan type figure.

I'm serious.
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Jason Cruise was going to debut....but never got the chance! I had intended for Johnny F'n Malibu to appear sooner rather than later just as a fanboy sidekick of his old partner and eventually get finagled into competing and reforming THE Armani Exchange and competing in the tag division. The two have the oddest chemistry as they are life long best friends who have a completely different set of morals and out look on wrestling. It always made for fun RPs.
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I wanted to see if Spectre could get over as a face...so I was gonna try that for a bit.
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My slow burn Gibson face turn was going to begin after he turned Spectre face.

Eventually, I was going to see if I could talk Errol into having Detson and Johnstone team up again and sell out Gibson when he finally gets a title rematch (or Fontana or whomever).

Gibson was supposed to get killed, near literally. Then he's basically by himself and has a long losing streak. Everyone gets their turn to payback the nastiest son of a bitch to grace the ring in a long while.

No one cheers, no one helps - just Gibson getting everything he's deserved. HOPE keeps killing him, he's always bloody and bruised. His backstory is revealed, and Gibson is stubborn.

He still doesn't learn his lesson, not until someone finally thinks enough is enough. I was going to have someone, maybe the likes of Black, just demolishing a very weakened, but unyielding and headstrong, Gibson. The ref doesn't call the match and it's pretty much an execution. Gibson is Gibson and won't stay down but it's like Duk Koo Kim - you want him to give up for his own good.

Eventually, Lester, who's dogged Gibson the entire time during his change of heart, says even Gibby doesn't deserve this. And someone from the locker room agrees.

Gibson is carted out, comes back yet again, and beats the shit out of folks fairly.

And that was the long term storyline had I planned for Gibson from about 4 months into PVW.
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