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| sychosys | Mar 28 2013, 10:37 PM Post #1 |
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Stolen from another section of the Forum!
So we're about a year into The Rave as a full-fledged handled team. In the beginning, Jeremy and I had a big discussion about whether to keep the whole time traveller thing straight up, or tweak them into being something more serious. Jeremy's viewpoint of keeping them as they were won out, and in hindsight, that appears to be the correct decision. If the recent Squaretabblies are any indication, they are one of the top tag teams in the JTF. But I was also correct in that Blue would never see such a team as anything more than JTTS material. Not only do they always lose the big match, but Blue seems to actually get some perverse joy out of making them lose time and time again, while teams with much less fleshed out characters like The Lynches immediately get pushed to the moon. So I was wrong in that they got over in an OOC sense, but right in that they couldn't succeed in the IC world. And it seems I also got this part wrong as well:
Oh well... |
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| JeremyS | Mar 28 2013, 10:42 PM Post #2 |
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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In this specific case, they almost HAD to lose simply because a top level face was needed in the next round. The good news is that it doesn't even really matter for The Rave. Their overness isn't related to their won-loss record. They can pick up some wins whenever, but they won't lose heat by losing. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 28 2013, 10:49 PM Post #3 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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Did you hack into my e-mail account or something? |
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| sychosys | Mar 28 2013, 10:52 PM Post #4 |
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Yo, Zack Ryder on line 2! |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 28 2013, 10:56 PM Post #5 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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Why are you even complaining? At least you guys actually won a match last year! |
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| sychosys | Mar 28 2013, 11:06 PM Post #6 |
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They did not win a single tag team match in 2012 that was not a squash or act of charity. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 28 2013, 11:09 PM Post #7 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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That's a better situation than getting written out of the fed twice. And 2011 wasn't exactly a bed of roses either! |
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| sychosys | Mar 28 2013, 11:14 PM Post #8 |
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Enough of your whining! The Dragon Slayers lost to the Blue Brothers, so they are the new Ultimate Jobbers. Likewise, The Rave lost to VU, so they are now the new most screwed over team in the AWA. To be the men, you gotta job to the men! |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 28 2013, 11:17 PM Post #9 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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The Rave have defeated The Lynches. Blue put it IN WRITING that VU will never be able to beat The Lynches because he "likes" that idea. Redo the math! |
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| BigPoppaBuyrate | Mar 28 2013, 11:25 PM Post #10 |
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Poppin' Buyrates Since 1996
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I keep erasing and rewriting this post because every time I try, it doesn't express correctly what I'm thinking. Do I think The Rave is your standard JTTS team? No. Do I think The Rave is difficult to book as a serious tag team? Yes. And there are a bunch of reasons for that. The futurespeak with the made-up words is a big part. It's hard to book that over a team who did a "normal" promo. The count out thing is another. And yes, the wacky strats bother me. We saw that when we had the big discussion/argument at SuperClash. I like the idea of a New Breed homage. They were one of my favorite teams in the NWA days. But The Rave and The New Breed are very different creatures. |
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| sychosys | Mar 28 2013, 11:48 PM Post #11 |
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To summarize, they are tolerated, but they will always lose. Which is pretty close to what I already said.
But Blue actually LIKES VU, whereas I'm pretty sure that he regrets ever letting The Rave in the door. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 29 2013, 12:04 AM Post #12 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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![]() I have a difficult time telling if Blue likes any of my characters outside of Vasquez. He can only fool me with the "Terry wrote a promo that almost made me rethink the booking...ALMOST." so many times before I stop falling for it. |
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| sychosys | Mar 29 2013, 12:18 AM Post #13 |
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They won the titles. They won the Cup. They made the finals of another. They were portrayed as the most dominant team in wrestling. When have The Rave been presented as anything but goofs that always lose? |
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| ElSavaje | Mar 29 2013, 12:35 AM Post #14 |
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R. Kelly
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OBVIOUSLY Blue jobbed the Rave out because he feared a MAMMOTHs-Rave encounter, in which I play the Prehistoric Powers as actually being from pre-history, thus causing some sort of cataclysmic timey-wimey clash when these cryogenically-unfrozen creatures of the past meet the travellers from the future. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 29 2013, 12:46 AM Post #15 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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When they decisively defeated The Lynches and injured one of them. It was a darker side to them that I don't think was ever really followed up on. They went back to being more lighthearted than dangerous. Counterpoint...when have The Rave ever portrayed themselves as anything but goofs? You can be a time traveler and also cut a semi-serious promo, I think. One of the hardest things to do in e-w is to get a comedic character taken as a serious threat. I can understand the frustration. Miyuki Ozaki is #4 in the polls, has won female wrestler of the year about a kajillion times now and IC, she's still otherwise dismissed by most every character as a silly girl that does silly things when all signs should point that she should be taken very seriously. Some feds treat her better...some just roll their eyes at her. It's extremely frustrating. I think the question here is...can The Rave keep their time traveling gimmick and also become a serious threat? I think so. I don't think a complete character overhaul is needed, but recapturing some of that menace that I saw in The Lynches match would help. |
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