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| BigPoppaBuyrate | Mar 29 2013, 10:24 PM Post #31 |
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Poppin' Buyrates Since 1996
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You're talking serious in the ring... I'm talking serious in selling an angle and putting the proverbial virtual ass in the virtual seat. Let's say I put them over as the biggest threat in the world after those incidents you mention. And then on the next promo, they're going to talk about what they did... and it's full of words that nobody knows. Not just a few so you can still get the idea of it... but totally gibberish to the average reader (basically anyone who's not Jer.) What do I do with that? It's essentially a different language. I'd have just about as much luck selling a big angle by having The Hive buzz at each other or bringing in a luchador who does all his promos in Spanish. |
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| El Dandy | Mar 30 2013, 12:08 AM Post #32 |
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Is the She of the fight!
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Armstrong said it best, the Rave need a feud. This feud needs to build them out of the midcard status. They beat and put out a Lynch. They beat down Stevie Scott. Where was the follow-up? Where was the Rave being moved into a feud to help elevate them further? If personal emails were swapped, then that's another story. Rave fill needed spots which truthfully makes them feel like a Sweet Daddy Williams character; there to be used when needed but nothing else. They need follow-up. Not just a promo that I can't understand. They need a feud or something that helps put them on that next level. Jer, please send me this Rave glossary. I have no fucking clue what the Rave is saying, and I give up when I can't get the context. EDIT: Bombers have the Stampede Cup. Go be an adult, Doran. Quit fucking up my sandbox.
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| sychosys | Mar 31 2013, 03:22 AM Post #33 |
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This Space For Rent
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On a slight tangent, do you ever give any thought to having the occasional random "upset", ie, the better person/team NOT winning the match, simply in the interest of keeping things interesting? |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Mar 31 2013, 11:03 AM Post #34 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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The Lynches ruin everything. |
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| Walls | Mar 31 2013, 12:13 PM Post #35 |
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The Luther Burger
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FWIW I can understand the Rave speech better then most of the cowboy accents in e-w. I really think e-w as a whole (or even maybe just the AWA) needs to take a step forward and get away from competitive e-w and into storytelling. It's basically what is happening now. Blue doesn't want a person to win, they don't, no matter the quality of the work. I was guilty of it all the time as a fed head. Better stories make for better reading. As for the Rave, fire doesn't need to be just in promos. Lots of comedy characters do NO fire in promos yet fire up in the ring like mothers. NO reason their heat can't be physical instead of verbal. |
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| JeremyS | Mar 31 2013, 06:16 PM Post #36 |
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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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Once more I should emphasize that the discussion is general (comedy/serious) to me. I'm fine with what's gone on with The Rave so far. I'm having fun with them, and they haven't lost a whole ton of matches. Joe disagrees, but there's no two people who are going to always agree with stuff. |
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| guzzdude | Mar 31 2013, 07:53 PM Post #37 |
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Martin Luther King, Jr
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Part of that may be because you have other successfull characters to live vicariously through! Let Joe own half of Monosso.
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| sychosys | Mar 31 2013, 08:38 PM Post #38 |
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This Space For Rent
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The obvious booking is for Sychosys to use the Vulcan Mind Melt on Monosso to get around his ban. |
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| Floseph | Apr 2 2013, 08:34 PM Post #39 |
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Lurking here.. But unless I'm mistaken e-w has always had a problem with properly placing comedic acts. I don't think it's a specific place. It's just tougher through this medium to walk the fine line, as I've so fruitfully proven in the past. It's tough to turn that switch from humor back to credibility.. Only The Rock, Mick Foley and Jesus Christ can delve into comedy regularly and seem maintain a modicum or respect. |
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| orklad | Apr 3 2013, 09:21 AM Post #40 |
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The Luther Burger
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The Rock, Foley...yes. What about Jericho? He's done comedic bits for years. DX used to do 'em back during the attitude thing...in "real" wrestling there have been TONS of comedic acts that have gone over. In e wreslting there have been even more, especially for tag teams. The Outlaws and Fraternity Boys are hall of famers...and I don't think anyone could say that those teams were strictly serious. |
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| JeremySAtWork | Apr 3 2013, 09:37 AM Post #41 |
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The Outlaws were dead serious. I was able to make their RPs funny, but they themselves were extremely serious. You can say the same for the Rock in actual pro wrestling. They're not really analogues to the situation. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Apr 3 2013, 10:06 AM Post #42 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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There's also different brands of comedy. You have your snarkers, your practical jokers, your weirdos, your clowns, etc etc. I think some brands of comedy are more easily accepted than others and as a result, certain comedic characters are more easily pushed than others. |
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| ratrangerm | Apr 3 2013, 03:41 PM Post #43 |
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Aging veteran
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Jeremy is right. Wrestlers like Rock, Jericho and Foley did get over by adding comedic elements to what they did, but they could also be serious when the situation called for it. In Rock's case, it was mixing in one liners with serious remarks. In Foley's case, he had already done a serious character, then did a comedic one that added another dimension. People may have laughed Foley's jokes but they knew he meant business. Jericho first got attention thanks to a comedic schitck, but he did it to portray himself as a jerk. Over time, he got better at mixing his one-liners in with a serious side to him. As for the Fraternity Boys, comedy was where they made their first mark but serious angles were where they really shined. All one has to do is look closer at what they did in the UWF. Their feud with the Machines started as comedy but took a much more serious turn and that's what really put them over the top. The real trick to a comedic character being able to carry the ball is for said character to be able to handle something serious as easily as the character handles comedy. In the case of The Rave, as heels, they need to show that, deep down, they are a couple of jerks who can use their schitck to pull the wool over the eyes of their opponents. A feud would be the logical step for them... to see how well they really come off when they are dealing with another tag team that has an issue with them, rather than just simply doing comedy for comedy's sake. |
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