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E-W's Worst Characters Ever; Let's make a list!
Topic Started: Apr 2 2006, 05:42 PM (20,035 Views)
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Although he ended up having a decent career as a manager, I always thought of Randolph Chalmers as rather a failure. At first, before I did any fleshing out, he was the biggest Lord Steven Regal clone in the history of anything, and his won-loss record in his blessedly short in-ring career reflected the level of originality. It's only now, as we're a few hours away from it being 16 years since I created him, that I think I've found the role he was really meant for as a heel colour commentator.
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The Blonde Bombers Deux. Yes, I said it.

As characters in their own right, they may have had a chance. But if you're going to take a team with such presence and charisma and give them a complete lobotomy, then you'd better damned well bust your ass trying to make it work, or you will always be compared unfavorably to the originals.
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sychosys,Dec 31 2011
09:20 PM
The Blonde Bombers Deux. Yes, I said it.

As characters in their own right, they may have had a chance. But if you're going to take a team with such presence and charisma and give them a complete lobotomy, then you'd better damned well bust your ass trying to make it work, or you will always be compared unfavorably to the originals.

Yeah... Let's just say I wanted to be more like the originals and leave it at that. Kudos to Flo.
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Yes there is comedy in MBC, but MBC isn't just a comedy fed by any stretch of the imagination. Also, Kyle is one of the rare few who actually does good comedy work.
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Mozeart,Jan 1 2012
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sychosys,Dec 31 2011
09:20 PM
The Blonde Bombers Deux. Yes, I said it.

As characters in their own right, they may have had a chance. But if you're going to take a team with such presence and charisma and give them a complete lobotomy, then you'd better damned well bust your ass trying to make it work, or you will always be compared unfavorably to the originals.

Yeah... Let's just say I wanted to be more like the originals and leave it at that.

And you planned to make them more like the originals by changing their names and mannerisms? Okay...

I will say that I think that the original Bombers were the most polarizing team in recent memory. You had to either love them or hate them...they demanded your attention and left no room to feel ambiguous.
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Man, what's with all the attacks in this thread? No wonder Neal hates it.
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No one can (or should) blame Moze for the Bombers being completely different than Flowers' version. I asked for that... and quite honestly, I'd ask for it again. Flowers' version of the Bombers might have worked for me in the E circa 2000 but for the AWA, I just didn't think it was the right fit. Too much goofiness and no reason to take them seriously.

Now whether or not that's the reason that Moze's Bombers haven't enjoyed much success is another debate altogether.
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Attacks in this thread? Hmm...yeah, I can see how some of this can be construed as attacks, especially since what constitutes a "bad" character can be somewhat subjective.

So, are there any criteria we can all agree upon which constitutes a bad e-w character?
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Dec 31 2011
11:36 PM
No one can (or should) blame Moze for the Bombers being completely different than Flowers' version. I asked for that... and quite honestly, I'd ask for it again. Flowers' version of the Bombers might have worked for me in the E circa 2000 but for the AWA, I just didn't think it was the right fit. Too much goofiness and no reason to take them seriously.

Now whether or not that's the reason that Moze's Bombers haven't enjoyed much success is another debate altogether.

I'm gonna go ahead and own that. Writer's block. Couldn't get past it, try as I might. Performance anxiety? Does that sound right?

Not that it matters, what's done is done.
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 1 2012
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No one can (or should) blame Moze for the Bombers being completely different than Flowers' version. I asked for that... and quite honestly, I'd ask for it again. Flowers' version of the Bombers might have worked for me in the E circa 2000 but for the AWA, I just didn't think it was the right fit. Too much goofiness and no reason to take them seriously.

Then the question for you remains: why did this team have to be "The Blonde Bombers"? With different personas, what Moze was doing could have clicked. But what happened was like asking Stone Cold Steve Austin to portray The Ringmaster, after SCSA had already gotten over.
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sychosys,Jan 1 2012
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 1 2012
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No one can (or should) blame Moze for the Bombers being completely different than Flowers' version.  I asked for that... and quite honestly, I'd ask for it again.  Flowers' version of the Bombers might have worked for me in the E circa 2000 but for the AWA, I just didn't think it was the right fit.  Too much goofiness and no reason to take them seriously.

Then the question for you remains: why did this team have to be "The Blonde Bombers"? With different personas, what Moze was doing could have clicked. But what happened was like asking Stone Cold Steve Austin to portray The Ringmaster, after SCSA had already gotten over.

They certainly didn't HAVE to be. But seeing as the Bombers were a I Make 'Em, I felt that we had a chance to salvage them.

Coming off the squash loss to RNR, that seemed to be the type of incident that could completely change a team at the core. That would be the type of scenario that would have Doyle and Co. go, "Oh hey... maybe we're not taking things seriously enough and should change our ways."

And honestly, I'm still not convinced that's not the case.

EDIT: Oh, and I completely disagree with the Austin analogy. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility in either e-w or the real thing for a comedy character to try to develop an edge. That's all I was looking for.
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Juan Vasquez did one clean job last year and it was to the Blonde Bombers! Go to hell Blue!
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A perfect example of something I wouldn't have done for the "funny" Bombers. Would you really have taken Flowers' Bombers serious enough to believe that they should even be in the ring with Vasquez?

I had this discussion recently with someone. I think as far as the AWA is concerned, the old wrestling adage holds a lot of truth - funny doesn't equal money. There can be funny elements to the shows... even amusing aspects of certain characters. But when your whole character is based around schtick, I think it falls flat to me.
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 2 2012
07:11 AM
A perfect example of something I wouldn't have done for the "funny" Bombers.  Would you really have taken Flowers' Bombers serious enough to believe that they should even be in the ring with Vasquez?

WWWYKI!

EDIT: Check out a rambling Space Mountain promo on a mannequin sometime and tell me if that Ric Flair guy deserves to be in the same ring with Ron Garvin.
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Wow, this thread turns into a heated debate without having to mention Neige 13 even once. Guess some people got testy.

So I may as well add on to the pile by saying this: It seems to me some of the recent posts are more about characters people just don't care for than it is for somebody who truly belongs on the worst character list.

Hey, I can respect that not every character is going to appeal to every single handler, but to me, a character that ranks among the worst would be one in which the person behind the character did next to no character development, with RPs and angles that went nowhere, much stuff done simply trying to get attention, and no clear idea about where the handler wanted the character to go.

So, yeah, Josh Curtis' characters would go into that category because I never saw any attempt at character development, just a bunch of RPs and such that were an attempt to draw attention.

Otherwise, no, I wouldn't rank a character among the worst -- and no, I don't take it personally if somebody doesn't care for a character of mine. But my only concern with any character is if the handler is making an effort to develop a character and be consistent with it, rather than just constantly throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks, or just doing stuff because you are desperate for attention.

I will say this, though: Developing a character based on Dean Malenko or The Midnight Express is, admittedly, a difficult thing to do, because those wrestlers got by more on their wrestling ability. With Malenko, he wasn't that good at cutting promos, and with the Midnights, it was Jim Cornette doing the bulk of the talking, except he could do it without taking attention away from the Midnights. In other words, it's not always easy trying to take something that works in real wrestling, in which the wrestlers have more control over what they do in all parts of the equation, and getting it to work in e-w, where everything is written and it's part what the handler does and part what the match writer does.
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