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E-W's Worst Characters Ever; Let's make a list!
Topic Started: Apr 2 2006, 05:42 PM (20,034 Views)
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I respectfully disagree with the implication that my posts in this thread have veered into the realm of the subjective. Because the AWA message archives show that a significant number of people bought into the original Bombers act. And that those same people objected not to the new characters per se, but to their being marketed as the same Bombers.
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sychosys,Jan 1 2012
10:12 PM
I respectfully disagree with the implication that my posts in this thread have veered into the realm of the subjective. Because the AWA message archives show that a significant number of people bought into the original Bombers act. And that those same people objected not to the new characters per se, but to their being marketed as the same Bombers.

Those people are really gonna be upset then when we unleash the Bombers on the world with yet another new handler!
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 1 2012
10:47 PM
sychosys,Jan 1 2012
10:12 PM
I respectfully disagree with the implication that my posts in this thread have veered into the realm of the subjective. Because the AWA message archives show that a significant number of people bought into the original Bombers act. And that those same people objected not to the new characters per se, but to their being marketed as the same Bombers.

Those people are really gonna be upset then when we unleash the Bombers on the world with yet another new handler!

I vote for Jeremy S to be the next handler in this revolving door franchise~!
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 1 2012
05:11 PM
A perfect example of something I wouldn't have done for the "funny" Bombers. Would you really have taken Flowers' Bombers serious enough to believe that they should even be in the ring with Vasquez?

Why not? They were more entertaining than he was.

I hate glass ceilings for comedic characters. There's no reason for it.
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JeremyS,Jan 1 2012
09:39 PM
Why not?  They were more entertaining than he was.


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JeremyS,Jan 1 2012
09:39 PM
Why not?  They were more entertaining than he was.


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JeremyS,Jan 1 2012
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BigPoppaBuyrate,Jan 1 2012
05:11 PM
A perfect example of something I wouldn't have done for the "funny" Bombers.  Would you really have taken Flowers' Bombers serious enough to believe that they should even be in the ring with Vasquez?

Why not? They were more entertaining than he was.

I hate glass ceilings for comedic characters. There's no reason for it.

It blows but whatever, screw it.
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I think the so-called glass ceiling depends very much on the product you're attempting to present.

If I'm trying to present my top titles as representative of the best wrestlers in the world, to me it seems a hard sell to take seriously the tag team that is constantly talking about ringside buffets, hot tubs, and waterslides. They don't seem to take ANYTHING seriously themselves so how can a reader be expected to take them seriously.

I also think that in this case, the AWA's positioning as an "old school" style fed makes it even more difficult because I would struggle to name a comedy character from those days at all really... but especially one who enjoyed that level of success. The closest I can come to a comedy character then is like a George Steele. Even now, when you look at successful comedy characters like Santino or Colt Cabana - as over as they may be - it's hard to envision them wearing the top gold because of their styles.

In the E, I didn't hesitate to push comedy tag teams - the Frats, the Downies, the EOC, ZS, etc. - but for some reason, that feels different to me. When EVERYONE in the division is doing it, I think it's okay.

It's hard to explain, I think. It's more of a feeling than anything else.
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Eh ... I think a lot of old-school was comedy, but the RL AWA, for example, I can't remember anything funny from. I mean, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I think part of the reason I couldn't find my feet with the Bombers was that the reaction to my Bombers was so poor. I'm not writing this stuff for myself, after all, I'm writing it for an audience. In this case that audience was looking for Memphis and got (RL) AWA...

It's just one factor but yeah, imagine you're dating a hot-as-hell girl and you really like her but you know she'd rather be with a friend of yours. I know some guys would get in their buddy's face, maybe take a swing, but I'd be more likely to turn inward or even give her her freedom. :/
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I agree that the style of a fed has a big role here. A more modern fed like PVW can get away with comedy characters better than an old-school fed like AWA. And then there's places like MBC which channel the fun of Chikara. A lot has to do with the style of fed.

But I do take issue with the idea that comedy wrestlers can't get over or be taken seriously. Chris Jericho made a career out of being humorous. Eddie Guerrero and Owen Hart spent much of the end of their careers the same way, though not with as much main event success. DX was at the heart of an entire promotion while focusing on pranks and bizarre situations. Mick Foley never really permanently secured himself in the WWF main event until after he debuted Socko and got over as funny. Even in the old school days you could see guys like Eddie Gilbert and Jimmy Valiant who pulled off comedy schticks relatively well. Heck, you could make an argument that, based on his era, Gorgeous George was one of the best comedic wrestlers of all-time if you wanted to.

And that's just singles guys. Tag divisions have been full of comedy wrestlers for decades. The Bushwackers had absurdly undeserved success as a comedy team. The New Age Outlaws once substituted a blowup doll for one of them in a match, among other sometimes successful comedy. Edge and Christian (once they split from the Brood gimmick) were hilarious at times. And Booker T and Goldust pulled off things that fit right into anything any comedy e-w team has done.

Real life wrestling is full of examples of guys who can be funny and still successful, even in the upper card. And e-wrestling is far more promo-driven than pro wrestling is... having characters who do comedy in promos is an excellent way to bring uniqueness to a promotion. But there's no real reason that a fed's belts can't be "taken seriously" with comedians holding them. Sure, there will always be people who don't like a comedy act... but every character has people who don't care for that character. I don't think it devalues a title at all to have a character who can make people chuckle holding it.
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Mozeart,Jan 2 2012
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Eh ... I think a lot of old-school was comedy, but the RL AWA, for example, I can't remember anything funny from.  I mean, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I think part of the reason I couldn't find my feet with the Bombers was that the reaction to my Bombers was so poor.  I'm not writing this stuff for myself, after all, I'm writing it for an audience.  In this case that audience was looking for Memphis and got (RL) AWA...

It's just one factor but yeah, imagine you're dating a hot-as-hell girl and you really like her but you know she'd rather be with a friend of yours.  I know some guys would get in their buddy's face, maybe take a swing, but I'd be more likely to turn inward or even give her her freedom.  :/

Petrow ruins everything.

While we're on the subject, there's an endless list of wisecrackers, cocky smartasses, and the like being very successful in the realm of e-wrestling.

"Humorous" characters have been successful in e-w because they can be written as more than just a laugh factory, but purely comedic characters have it a bit harder. Sometimes it just reaches a point where you're no longer a character and more like a caricature.
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Wrestlerock Rumble, anyone?

Although, that wasn't intentionally funny.
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DCGMoo,Jan 2 2012
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I agree that the style of a fed has a big role here. A more modern fed like PVW can get away with comedy characters better than an old-school fed like AWA. And then there's places like MBC which channel the fun of Chikara. A lot has to do with the style of fed.

But I do take issue with the idea that comedy wrestlers can't get over or be taken seriously. Chris Jericho made a career out of being humorous. Eddie Guerrero and Owen Hart spent much of the end of their careers the same way, though not with as much main event success. DX was at the heart of an entire promotion while focusing on pranks and bizarre situations. Mick Foley never really permanently secured himself in the WWF main event until after he debuted Socko and got over as funny. Even in the old school days you could see guys like Eddie Gilbert and Jimmy Valiant who pulled off comedy schticks relatively well. Heck, you could make an argument that, based on his era, Gorgeous George was one of the best comedic wrestlers of all-time if you wanted to.

And that's just singles guys. Tag divisions have been full of comedy wrestlers for decades. The Bushwackers had absurdly undeserved success as a comedy team. The New Age Outlaws once substituted a blowup doll for one of them in a match, among other sometimes successful comedy. Edge and Christian (once they split from the Brood gimmick) were hilarious at times. And Booker T and Goldust pulled off things that fit right into anything any comedy e-w team has done.

Real life wrestling is full of examples of guys who can be funny and still successful, even in the upper card. And e-wrestling is far more promo-driven than pro wrestling is... having characters who do comedy in promos is an excellent way to bring uniqueness to a promotion. But there's no real reason that a fed's belts can't be "taken seriously" with comedians holding them. Sure, there will always be people who don't like a comedy act... but every character has people who don't care for that character. I don't think it devalues a title at all to have a character who can make people chuckle holding it.

But almost every single person you mention. Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho, Eddie Gilbert, DX - yes, they have funny stuff we can recall but when the time required it, they could turn up the heat and cut a serious promo. There's a difference between a character who can balance serious and comedy and one who relies strictly on comedy in my opinion.

Mick Foley may not have gotten his title reign until Socko but I don't think anyone would deny that when Foley needed to hit the money promo to sell your ass into the seats, he could do it.

I think there is a time and place for comedy in wrestling and e-w - don't get me wrong.

But when it comes time to "sell" the match or show, I think it's incredibly hard for a comedy character to pull it off.

We're super-far off topic now, I guess.

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DCGMoo,Jan 2 2012
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And that's just singles guys. Tag divisions have been full of comedy wrestlers for decades. The Bushwackers had absurdly undeserved success as a comedy team.

Aside from agreeing with the majority of this post, I feel the need to point out that the Bushwhackers were not the Bushwhackers until Vince McMahon got them and, IMO, ruined them. As the Sheepherders, they were not a comedy team in the least. And they were infinitely more awesome as the butt-kicking ruffians from New Zealand.
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