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| Walls | Oct 11 2009, 08:29 PM Post #46 |
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You know, I didn't really get alot of the IIWF love either. My biggest gripe, and perhaps like anything ECW it didn't age well, but the Seven Tables of Fear (I think that's what it was) match with DDUA... why is it regarded so highly? |
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| blibblab | Oct 11 2009, 10:39 PM Post #47 |
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I was never really impressed with IIWF then, much less now... |
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If a wholly Great One rules, the people hardly know that he exists. Lesser men are loved and praised, still lesser ones are feared, still lesser ones are despised. How thoughtful one must be in what one says! The work done, business takes its course, and all people think: "We are free." - Lao Tzu "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." - Ronald Reagan "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson | |
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| sychosys | Oct 13 2009, 06:06 AM Post #48 |
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This Space For Rent
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You'll have to ask the people who voted it Match of the Year (all six of them, as I recall) about that. As for my opinion, it is a lot like the Wrestlemania X ladder match. Nowadays it doesn't seem so innovative, but at the time most people had never seen anything like it. To my knowledge, Seven Tables of Fear was the first match to involve multiple table spots as the sole means of victory. The characters involved were already more surreal than anything out of Paul Heyman's worst coke-induced nightmares, and the match was written by a guy with an IQ much too high for his own good, incorporating a lot of incredible, ludicrous, and downright impossible spots (I doubt that even Mark Henry could swing a folding table "like a graphite tennis racket") It also was the coming out for the new and improved "Soundbite" Steve Roberts. So it stood out from the other matches of the time. Personally, I thought that the "Audience Participation" match was much better... |
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| BigPoppaBuyrate | Oct 13 2009, 11:07 AM Post #49 |
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Poppin' Buyrates Since 1996
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I'll preface this by saying I haven't read Seven Tables in years and as someone who had plenty of problems with Dan and Jim, I have ego issues in writing this post but... That match inspired me. There are things to be said about how things age and being "in the moment" to truly appreciate stuff and all of that may very well be true. I'm sure things written in '96 and '97 tend to look a little less than stellar compared to some later stuff. But that show - Ring Wars III - and that match in particular made me want to write better e-w matches than I had to that point. It showed me - as a fed head and a match writer - what was possible in this fictional world. When I finished reading that show, I knew what I wanted the EMWC to be. And at the end of the day, even if the match looks like Tugboat vs The Warlord in retrospect, you have to at least give it that. |
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| RedRajah | Oct 13 2009, 11:14 AM Post #50 |
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Shocked Woona is Shocked
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I will admit that in my first and only PPV when I deluded myself into being a fedhead, I was inspired by the IIWF and used the Seven Tables of Fear for the tag champ match. Never was in IIWF back in the day. My 1st exposure to Seven Tables was actually reading an old UWF card (I wanna say Captain Midnight was one of the participants?). |
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| Vile Side | Oct 13 2009, 12:43 PM Post #51 |
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I was always a mark for 7 tables (inspired my IGA 100 tables of fear match), which admittedly hasn't aged well, but still set the standard at the time. ...I have to say, I find it kind of ludacris... Essentially the bulk of us were quite young in the mid-90s when other young guys were putting together shows we respected, now over a decade later when they've LONG since moved on (while we're still doing it), it seems defeatist to look down on what they did (IIWF legendary matches, LOOP guys ect)... look at what we can do now with the bettering of high school & college English. As the handlers grow older, the creative writing skillZ are going to get better... the simple truth is, at the time, with the same level of experience, could any of us pull off the match? I know I couldn't. Makes it difficult to throw stones. |
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| blibblab | Oct 13 2009, 12:48 PM Post #52 |
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Stop being all sensible, logical, and everything! You're ruining the out-pouring of hate, dang'it! |
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If a wholly Great One rules, the people hardly know that he exists. Lesser men are loved and praised, still lesser ones are feared, still lesser ones are despised. How thoughtful one must be in what one says! The work done, business takes its course, and all people think: "We are free." - Lao Tzu "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." - Ronald Reagan "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson | |
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| sychosys | Oct 13 2009, 04:30 PM Post #53 |
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That explains how the "Bulldog Brown Table" ended up appearing on J*STAR... Actually, that match was originally supposed to be a Falls Count Anywhere match (I think there's even a flash where Sychosys challenges DDUA to such a match) but Sandman vs "The Fury" Steve Kowalski already had that stip, so I had to come up with something else in a hurry. Had I known that it would become something iconic, I would have spent more time trying to come up with a clever name, instead of doing "Seven Tables + White Castle of Fear = Seven Tables of Fear" |
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| Vile Side | Oct 14 2009, 12:16 AM Post #54 |
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...um... er... fucking board feds!? |
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| dalbellorage | Oct 19 2009, 01:26 PM Post #55 |
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Man, everytime I read something all these years later about Sychosys versus DDUA I'm always extremely amazed that the character was so loved and how I've had (unbeknownst to me) any effect on e-wretsling at all. Seven Tables of Fear was another in a long list of can you top that matches with me versus Petrow. At the time I would have rated him overexposed and overhyped because he was basically able to do anything on shows and I've never been a fan of comedy characters who were just allowed to do whatever they wanted (coughTRIPLE Hcough.) So I took my own nutso character, stole everything Petrow did, added a twist and threw it back at him. So he had his fan section. Dirt Dog had his. He took MMM as a tag partner, I think Dirt Dog made some kid a star by dropkicking him. There was the flying flounder stuff. I actually thought the more interesting feud was Shadoe Rage - Joe Petrow where we really couldn't stand each other and most of the rps were inside. That led to the Death in Darkness match that the UWF stole. Ah, great times. And yes, Corey Irons was very overexposed and overhyped. All he was trying to do was be remembered like Temple. |
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| Overly_Critical_Jue | Oct 19 2009, 04:17 PM Post #56 |
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Amigo, I ain't anybody but Juan Vasquez!
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During the height of his overexposure, Corey Irons beat Juan Vasquez with Vasquez's own finisher. We weren't even feuding or anything. This was just a throwaway midcard match, which leads me to conclude that he stratted that himself just to be a dick. I hate Corey Irons. Oh yeah...and he mentioned he beat Devon Case in every rp he did for about 2 years.
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| sychosys | Oct 20 2009, 06:23 AM Post #57 |
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This Space For Rent
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Man, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. First of all, I didn't get to do half of the things I wanted. Second, I wasn't the one who stratted to kidnap other handler's characters, or to throw other handler's characters over bridges, and I sure as hell wouldn't have gotten away with it like you did. Finally, if a lot of my ideas got used, I can think of only two possible reasons for it: either people enjoyed them and thought they deserved inclusion on the cards, or I was banging Spreadbury on the side.
Damn, did I suck. Wish we would have done that a year earlier, when I still had some balls left. |
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| Guest | Oct 20 2009, 02:04 PM Post #58 |
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Well, I'm Black so there's no problem with that. I'm just reminiscing. At the time we were mortal enemies back in the days when competitive stratting ruled. I'll admit to being righteously petty back then and always tried to make you top that. We were Hart-Michaels in the IIWF and maybe created one of the wackiest feuds of all time. Nothing against you now, Joe. I'm just reminiscing about the then. It's been so long since I thought about any of these things and even longer since I read them. I never even knew Seven Tables of Fear was a match of the year. |
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| sychosys | Oct 20 2009, 04:24 PM Post #59 |
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This Space For Rent
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Alright, well that explains everything!
Yeah, in retrospect it was kinda fun to get so damned worked up over something so trivial. No hard feelings Derek...let's go out and buy some furniture together sometime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnOyMSEWNTs |
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| BigPoppaBuyrate | Oct 20 2009, 11:42 PM Post #60 |
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Awwww. All's well that ends well. |
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As the handlers grow older, the creative writing skillZ are going to get better... the simple truth is, at the time, with the same level of experience, could any of us pull off the match? I know I couldn't. 
I'm just reminiscing. At the time we were mortal enemies back in the days when competitive stratting ruled. I'll admit to being righteously petty back then and always tried to make you top that. We were Hart-Michaels in the IIWF and maybe created one of the wackiest feuds of all time.

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