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| The Degredation of Our Society; AKA "FUCKING STUPID IDIOT KIDS" | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 24 2007, 02:23 AM (147 Views) | |
| Yoyo | Feb 24 2007, 02:23 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/19/homeless.attacks/index.html *rubs temple* While i could ramble about this until i need to wake up, which is in about... i dunno, six hours? I'd rather just copy and paste the ramblings of other people from Penny Arcade and ramble about it on my own after getting some sleep. Enjoy the Degradation of our society, people, cause it's bastards like THAT that're causing it. before reading below, it helps if you click that link there to learn the first story. then to go down to the other peoples stuff.
So there it is. Why do i bring this up here? because it PISSES ME OFF, that's why. the entire ordeal makes me sick to my stomach. START MAKING CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. |
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| Raymond Merlo | Feb 24 2007, 02:53 PM Post #2 |
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WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Some people in this world are born evil. You can try and help them, try and make them better, but in the end, it comes down to the person themself. This kid, this....monster, reminds me all to well of somene I know: My own brother. Some people can't be good. I don't know why, it's just part of who they are. those kind of people need to be locked up. |
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| Zero.exe | Feb 24 2007, 03:34 PM Post #3 |
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What do you know about 'evil'? Nobody is born evil. We all come out as a little child with no intellect and aren't toilet trained. Humans are very different, are unique to one another, simply because we experience a different type of life. Think of us as a compound made of two elements. Us, and Life. Life is a 'random' element, and has different effects everytime. Humans are just the pure element. Human + Life = Random Result Frankly, it's not the kids, or the parents, or the media to blame. BLAME THE DAMN HOBO! Why the fucking hell did he share his possessions when he had none whatsoever left? why the hell did he even invite three dumbasses to his home and expect something different? Why the hell is he a fucking hobo in the first place? To see it in chronological order: No Hobo = No Invited Dumbasses = No drunk beatings = No death However, for some reason, there is a hobo, and thus: shit happens. But since it would be rude and morally unethical to blame an already dead person, I guess the fault lies with the people the kids surround themselves with, excluding the parents. Frankly, looking from the point of view of the kid who was a dumbshit:
And some other things I can't be bothered to mention right now. Firstoff, I find it sad thata kid has to go to jail by killing a guy down on his luck. I am not sad that the kid is going to jail, I am sad that the hobo died. Secondly, I think we need to blame this all on someone who caused this. Smoke doesn't start without fire and Fire doesn't start without sparks and oil. We're going to blame the guy who said the words: "I'm gonna hit him." Or something around those lines. See, who has friends like that who beat up and kill people with their own barbeque pitch? Not me,and if you do,get away from them. Get away from them very quickly. Secondly, about the police and the gun thing... Well, I don't know who to blame.That e-mail makes the police sound like brain-dead humans and makes the kid calculating. Eitherways, there should not be a gun in the house where everyone can see it. I'm going to get off this topic before it ejects into something stupid and pointless, because again, we are dealing with the past, when we should always be mindful of the present. Talking about this after it's happened is not going to help. |
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| Ashidlun.EXE | Feb 24 2007, 03:58 PM Post #4 |
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Mike: Well then.
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zero...some are born evil some are not we are born to be who we are, i dont know who i am as yet but i know this... i am of the inner calm, no man can drag out my darkest side unless i allow it, but even the i am in control. i was born that way and i will be that way. and yes.....BLAME THE GOD FORSAKEN HOBO |
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| Zero.exe | Feb 24 2007, 04:02 PM Post #5 |
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No. NOBODY IS BORN EVIL. SAY IT. I ask you this. How can you tell a 'evil' baby from the 'good' baby when they're all asleep and have nothing abnormal about them? |
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| HiroTsukasa | Feb 24 2007, 04:24 PM Post #6 |
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Actually there are two camps that debate this... one views that when a person is born they are a clean slate to be shaped and the other goes with the idea that people have some natural predispositions to certain things. Personally, that argument of clean slate stands for me in reagards to actual young children... If they were 15 years old then they're beyond the age I qualify kids as having that "innocence" factor. There's no way they can act like they didn't know what they were doing; blaming video games is just a scape goat. That original poster makes a good point as well... so many times in issues like these usually there's a level of bad parenting involved. It's much easier in our society to throw a kid down in front of the TV on cable or with video games and let the "Magic Box" raise them instead of doing it yourself. |
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| Absolute Zero | Feb 24 2007, 05:56 PM Post #7 |
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Despite the fact that I detest GTA games, I never blame them, or any games for the sensless things people do these days. After reading this entire article, I am deeply sickened, and will tap into my latent philosiphical side to say what I must say... Zero, though the hobo wasn't 100% right, from what I understand, at the same time, the bastard isn't why the boy has such a horrid attitude. After all, the real problem is likely something that the foolish media has yet to think of. There are several possibilities of which none of us are likely to ever suggest. One thing I failed to see mentioned in the entire post, which I'm sure has been thought of, is the fact that friends can be a major factor in a child's developement. Especially older friends that tend to manipulate you into a replica of themselves. Hey, it almost happened to me. One of my eldest cousins was a High School drop out. One summer, my parents let him babysit me and my siblings, unaware that he was training me into a punk and having me treat my sibs like shit. The problem? I was 7, and didn't know better. 'Adults are always right' I kept thinking, and it was easy for me to be brainwashed. If not for my parents being told by my sister (SAZ, who barely learned to talk at her age) I would probably still be that way. It took me awhile, but all my bad habits I learned from my dastard of a cousin melted like butter. The other problem? The aftermath was that my parents feared I would always be like what my cousin tried to make me, and they began to disown me...whao, a little overboard with the info, I'm guessing. The point is, humans influence other humans, especially small children and young teens. In a child's eyes, more often than never, an older kid is seen as a fountain of wisdom and a pillar of success, and a peer of equal age is seen as someone to base one's traits and interests off of. Perhaps this boy had an influence no one knew about somewhere in his life. In conclusion, there are too many variables that come up in psycology to make a defined judgement on who made a person the way they are. The fact of the matter is this; a person should be punished by the law based upon the here and now, not what made them the way they are. Prison, as well as being a place to keep criminals locked away, is also a place to give people like this kid solitutde to ponder their life and think about if what they did was even worth the strife. If he breakes the law in any way, he should recieve the law's judgement despite what circumstances made him that way. It's all very troublesome, but there are too many variables to be pointing fingers anyplace except one; the boy himself. In the end, it was a choice; Do acts of evil, or do acts of good. ADDITIONAL ~~~~~~~~ I agree with Hiro's statement. Television IS an influence factor, and so are video games, but only if your parenting style is to allow a child to raise itself. Even with a hands off approach, some bonding must be done, to give examples of humanity. |
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| Raymond Merlo | Feb 24 2007, 10:09 PM Post #8 |
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More than I have ever wanted to know. The kid who pulled this attack? My brother is EXACTLY like him. My mother is no saint, my dad was the most pathetic human being alive. Me, I try my best, but I'm still far from the best person alive. My brother, though, is pure evil. he has no consideration towards anyone else. The only difference between that kid and my brother is that my brother has not killed anyone, to my knowledge. My mother tries her best, she tries to make sure he does good. She RAISED him to do good. my family has poured almost every penny we have into trying to help him. But nothing, and nobody, can do anything for him, because he won't accept it. From the very BEGINNING, he was trouble. I'm willing to accept that you believe nobody is evil from birth. But you live 1 year in my life, and I DARE you to say otherwise. And maybe, if you have the fortitude to survive that, try 17 more. [/rant] |
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| Ravager Hughesy | Feb 25 2007, 01:02 AM Post #9 |
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Reminds me of my cousin who is still serving his fith year in prison of his 15 year sentence. Why? Same reason as what those kids did. |
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| Soulsaber | Feb 25 2007, 01:12 AM Post #10 |
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One of my cousins was messed up for years but now is doing well. He has a good job and is living well. So just because someone is messed up nowdoes not mean they will be in the future. |
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| Pancake Mix | Feb 25 2007, 04:57 PM Post #11 |
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In my view, ALL people are born evil, and are educated to not be. Proof? Well, take animals. Humans are animals to, right? Right. (Unless your one of those zealots who are Anti-Darwin) Well, A simple way to look at personality is the battle between what you are taught, and your instincts. I'll give you a hypothetical situation: You're in an argument with someone. That someone is arguing something COMPLETELY against your beliefs, let's say, cannibalism, because I'm fairly certain everyone here agrees with me that it's wrong. However, this stranger comes from a tribe where feasting on the flesh of your kinsman is an acceptable practice. You both have good arguments, and It all boils down to "because". What makes it disgusting to eat another person? There is no reason, other then aesthetics. It's just wrong. We are taught that. On the other hand, this guy was taught that eating human flesh is a noble tradition, much like 4th of July to us Americans, or ThanksGiving. Who's wrong in that situation? Then again, "evil" itself is an invented concept. Whatever is not the norm of society is percieved as evil. Take the above thing about the Psycho-Kid who the media is having a field day saying he got it all from video games. To the media, games are evil, and I've met some people who think the same. What If I went up to a girl I had no idea about, and made like Grazzt and did some lechery? I'd probably wind up in jail. To the observer, I'm a bastard who goes around feeling people for kicks. But, what if, from my perspective, doing that is a greeting? What If I've been taught that doing that was okay? It didn't hurt her, and what makes the handshake so special anyway? Back to what I was saying, it all depends on what you are taught. We are taught not to hit our siblings at a young age. However, if we get mad, we'll do it anyway. And we're punished for it. Justly so, otherwise we'd do it more. The events of the past are important to. Think what life today would be like if say, the civil rights movement never occured. We look back on the years of slavery as an evil blotch on humanities record. But, if certain events never happened, we'd still be whipping people to do our work for us. Scary thought, no? Bottom line, there is no good and evil. There is Normal, and there is different. |
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| Zero.exe | Feb 25 2007, 05:20 PM Post #12 |
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No one is born evil, because 'evil' and 'good' exists with morals. We born with the need to survive. How you look at it is the problem. |
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| Pancake Mix | Feb 25 2007, 05:26 PM Post #13 |
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Explain the logic behind Morals. |
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| Zero.exe | Feb 26 2007, 12:00 PM Post #14 |
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Because 'morals' are what causes you to define 'right' and 'wrong'. You are born with no morals, little intelligence, no sense of right or wrong and how things should be. You are born with instinct. Instinct is the thing in which the human mind does the job it's been burned to, which is the same as all other animals. All animals have the same instinct: To Survive. Thus, simply to fulfil our instinct to survive, we would eat other animals, but notice this. No animal would eat its own children. A tigress would not eat its own cub. All animals with some level of sentience or morals or is capable of caring for their child will not eat their child, and this applies to humans as well. No mother would eat her baby, whether it be in the Caveman period or today. For example, 'morals' are simply the rules which you set up to define good and bad. To look at it from the good side of this, the guy was ridding the world of one useless person. So to some, the guy was doing some good. But to most, they see it as the guy beating up the hobo and nobody deserves to be done that. So it's seen as 'evil'. A standard person, who has been taught bpropoerly by his parents, will have morals against unethical purposes. For example, they call 'cannibalism' wrong, because humans are not supposed to feed on each other. And in fact, very few species with sentience actually cannibalize on each other. There are some, but those are animals who do not think very much. For a human tocannabalize on another, it would need someone to place the concept inside first. People who are unaware of what cannibalism means have to rely on instinct. Putting two children, aged 3, in a room for six hours will have them crying, complaining, but you'll notice they don't eat each other. That's because they don't know the concept of cannabalism and thus cannot be a cannabal. From this, you can infer. No one is born evil. |
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| Pancake Mix | Feb 26 2007, 05:02 PM Post #15 |
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Actually, rats do if they starve long enough. And my point was, what a persons pure instincts to do things are just instincts, relying on those alone si seen as "evil". |
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