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Requiem Feedback; 03/03/10
Topic Started: Mar 3 2010, 04:48 PM (233 Views)
Lita Maivia
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There's the show, folks. I am so glad my time as temp GM is over. Sorry to Wight that I couldn't hold out long but I forgot how creatively draining GM'ing is.

I think I wrote everything. Yeah, I wrote everything. Apologies to Adam that Reno didn't get his requested Buried Alive Match. The main-event was the very first thing I wrote, as soon as the deadline ended I started working on it. I did go back and put in a slight edit so that Reno would have a reaction to not getting the match he selected. Sorries.
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Jo-Jo
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Where was Catherine's suplex? I believe I made that request over a week ago. Ruined the entire show for me.
Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~
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triadred
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From a feedback standpoint, the show was well done. Lita put exceptional effort into both dreaming the matches up, producing the graphics, and writing the matches. Top notch.

From a results standpoint, I'm not happy. I can reason out why Claire lost. Jobbers put over Talent. That makes sense. And I can reason out why Reno didn't win either. I missed a deadline that I also missed reading about. Thanks to Dai for setting me straight on that one. But putting over Grant and Jaime when I honestly worked my butt off wrenches my guts. I don't hate the characters. Let's numb that notion before we get carried away here. I'm just finding it hard to rationalize why it is I'm putting over characters who are already way over. If someone can tell me why and honestly make me a believer, I may be more receptive and acceptive to the loss. Until then, I feel shafted hard.
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I thought the Main Event was excellent. I know I didn't do enough to beat Dai this time around but Finn looked powerful, the match actually turned out well for there not being a Solid Wood Tables match in forever.
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Wigumoto
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Wow, how bad ass is hide? ME was really good, I enjoyed reading it. I didn't expect Lesbiana to win once I read Dai's response to her first RP. I would have loved to have rebuttled but by then it was a bit late for me to get anything down. Shame. But still, great match, I loved all the good vs evil stuff and it'll fuel Lesbiana's quest for the NGIW Championship Belt of WIN.

On the tag match, I never expected the Monkey's to win but I loved seeing Mickey charge into the ring and take a beating. Good times. Not for him buy, ya know.
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Jo-Jo
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triadred,Mar 3 2010
05:29 PM
If someone can tell me why and honestly make me a believer, I may be more receptive and acceptive to the loss. Until then, I feel shafted hard.

It's because she's egomaniacal toward her own character and could never allow her to lose due to pure favoritism that's completely bias.

Orrrrrr...

Well, it all begins with a momma bear and a poppa bear and a two-four of tall, cool, frosty even...um wait, how would a bear have access to a fridge? A river I might believe but unless they're set there in winter. Well then a few would freeze and if some were taken out to prevent that by the time you got to them they'd be cold at the very least, in no way frosty. Know what? I'm gonna have to come back to you on this one.

My question is when can we expect the next card? I'm confused on the current situation so I ask out of pure puzzlement and not as some jackass honking on his horn waiting for the damn bears to get back in the forest with their box of...better not trail down that rabbit hole again.

Seriously though, suplex.

Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~
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Lita Maivia
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triadred,Mar 3 2010
05:29 PM
From a results standpoint, I'm not happy. I can reason out why Claire lost. Jobbers put over Talent. That makes sense. And I can reason out why Reno didn't win either. I missed a deadline that I also missed reading about. Thanks to Dai for setting me straight on that one. But putting over Grant and Jaime when I honestly worked my butt off wrenches my guts. I don't hate the characters. Let's numb that notion before we get carried away here. I'm just finding it hard to rationalize why it is I'm putting over characters who are already way over. If someone can tell me why and honestly make me a believer, I may be more receptive and acceptive to the loss. Until then, I feel shafted hard.

First off, I didn't decide the match so I can't honestly and truly tell you why Grant and Jaime won but I'm betting a boatload that it wasn't to be put over. I appreciate you working your butt off for a match, that's how it's supposed to work and honestly why Dai killed in the main-event. He was the only one who RPed like he really, truly wanted it. I actually felt that he felt his reign was over, whereas the three challengers didn't bring to the table anything close to what I expected from them and know that they are capable of. However, if I'm being 100% honest in this thread, your claiming that your hard work was used to just put over two characters (one of which is mine) that you feel are already over insults me big time. It reads as if I (or Kain) didn't put in the effort for the win and was just given it to be "put over". Usually the only time someone "puts over" a character is when it's a storyline largely made up and/or agreed upon by the handlers. If none of the above applies, it's just that the other handler(s) were better on that night. Reno took a fall in the Tag Team title match last show, which I cleared with you ahead of time. Reno put over the Rices, but at the same time he was put over at the Rices' expense, made to look like he was fully capable of taking out the team on his own (something which you later used in your RPs against both Grant and Jaime). I'm sorry you feel shafted, but I highly doubt it should be because you were being used to "put over" two other characters and more because someone worked just as hard and squeaked it out in the end.

As for Catherine's suplex. It's short results, so there's a chance it actually happened in the match and just wasn't covered in the results. That's why it's called short results and not a play-by-play. Sorry.
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Minister Wighty
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I'm just finding it hard to rationalize why it is I'm putting over characters who are already way over. If someone can tell me why and honestly make me a believer, I may be more receptive and acceptive to the loss. Until then, I feel shafted hard.


Because I'm not Oni. I don't tend to "put people over". I don't run a pretend wrestling federation, I run an e-fed. I do not think of NGIW as a company and all the wrestlers as my employees. I run a competitive online roleplaying game where the goal is to please the person in charge. I can't imagine how Oni gagued his matches because real wrestling has entirely scripted winners and losers whereas e-fedding is supposed to be a competition where the best man wins. Real wrestling's winners are based on who looks like they would sell the most tickets/t-shirts/air time or who already does. I suppose in that respect I do run a pretend wrestling federation, but instead of a myriad of fans deciding if you're the one who gets seen it's just me or one of my second-in-commands.

Lita handed off the judgement of the match to me, being as it was her characters in the spotlight and she was afraid Joe's very whisperings (sarcastic or otherwise) would be tossed about. Ironic.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again and maybe this time more people will understand my predicament (which in turn becomes yours).

The problem we have as a federation is that we have few actual roleplayers. Plenty of characters, but only a few roleplayers. These roleplayers only fall into a few categories of skill (at pleasing me) and there aren't enough within the individual castes to breed honest-to-goodness competition where surprise is around every corner.

I don't think a lot of people would argue that our best RPers are Lita, Dai, and Wiggum. 'Mo as well when he's actually interested in the project, and Kain when he's not accidentally doing the exact opposite of pleasing me. Just below them are Adam, Joe, Nightmare, and I would say myself as we all know I can do better but because this is my company I don't. This is no offense to Dan, I tend to love his stuff, I just haven't been acquainted with his new character yet.

BUT! You suddenly see the problem. Where are the lovable jobbers who may or may not throw up an eye-searing paragraph of roleplay that I CAN use to put over people who deserve it? Where are the extra people in the middle card to be feuding over various titles like maniacs and sharpening their skills while the big boys play at cages and MEs? Nowhere to be found. Over in That Other Fed, I imagine. They have a roster that possesses quite a few different individuals from our own.

Further to the point, who frequently clashes? Is it Adam and Joe? No. Is it Wight and Nightmare? No. It's Adam and Lita. Or Joe and Lita. Or Wight and Lita. Though to everyone's credit, Finn and the Ladies seem to heartily dislike one another. Probably can spin that into a feud with Priest around. We'll see.

The problem here is that everybody seems to want to work with Lita, whether it's a strong desire to share a storyline, a hunt after a specific title she holds, or an inability to keep oneself from running their charcter's mouths off at one of her characters, thus igniting a feud. The problem with THAT is that Lita is probably my most reliably good roleplayer.

The problem on top of that problem is that the only person who seems to take the advice they ask for me to give around here is Nightmare. Anyone will tell you that I had very little respect for Nightmare for a very long time, but in his tenure in NGIW's most recent incarnation he's become very good at what he does and has earned a LOAD of my respect. I'm pushing him toward the NGIW title rather regularly, you might notice. It's not because I need a body to fill out the match; it's because I think he can bloody DO it. (As a small aside, I think Joe is also finally starting to cotton to the way I think, but I don't have a lot of concrete evidence to support this just yet.)

Boil all this shit down and what's the problem? Is it that the lowly plebians are trying to strike out against the nobles and we can't have that? No. It's that when the talent in this federation strikes out at its superstars (metaphorically speaking, not regarding the new system) they do so with a sock full of quarters while the superstars are armed with rocket launchers.

How many opportunities did I give Greatness to win the NGIW championship? Pro bono opportunities at that? Granted, one or two were scripted events, but for the most part Joe asked for a shot and I gave it to him. Did he succeed? No. Is that his fault? Sure, insofar as he's using a character whose RP quality I find lacking these days. Is it my fault? I suppose one could construe that it is, in that I don't like the output Greatness gave regardless of how much effort or man hours Joe put into him. But "please me" was the obvious parameter set and he (on several occasions) elects to ignore that goal in favor of his own motives.

On the subject of the here and now, the subject of the Ladies vs. the Rices. You may have walked away with something special had you actually met the deadline. My mind is a bit fuzzy and my mouse has an auto-backspace key that will delete this thread if I hit it, so you'll forgive me if I don't double check, but you did at least one and I think two RPs with the Ladies after the deadline had passed. Honest mistake but it still doesn't count.

Furthermore, regardless of your effort, if I haven't made it clear that's not what sells hotcakes in the end. If it were Joe would hold every title as that man gives 110% every week with every character. If that had ever been the case, old-school repetitive Nightmare would've been a multiple time ME champion in FIW.

HOWEVER. Before I lead you all to believe that my response to your legitimate inquiries is "suck less" I have a comprimise which might lead to some interesting crap in NGIW's future.

Typically when I can't decide a match whether it's because my character is a contender in it or because it's too close for me to call I rely solely on a second in command (or whoever happens to be online). Their vote tends to tip the scales. While I will still use Lita as an active sounding board for all aspects of NGIW, I will also be erecting a popular vote system after the deadline for every show. It will be an anonymous voting system, but I will be keeping track of the votes to ensure that no more people than the fed has have been voting. In certain situations where my time and creativity is short, where things are too hard to judge, or where I don't trust my own bias to judge a match I will fall back on this system as a guideline. I think that that may, perhaps, cool the fire around here some.

I have one correction to make to this rant before I wrap things up. Above I said that I typically don't push people for the sake of pushing people. In addition, Adam's post had a general "when's gon' be mah time, lawd?" quality to it. I give you a snippet of chat from Lita's MSN logs.

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(1:18 AM) Lita Maivia:  Liked the twist with the NGIW Title Match. Surprised by the Cube outcome.
(1:19 AM) Minister Wighty: Grant was a close second. Finn just didn't do what I wanted him to in terms of RPs.
(1:22 AM) Minister Wighty: Also, a lot of that is me getting around to paying Adam back for all the times he didn't get a lick or a victory when he was so good just because I put him up against stiffer competition.


I'll let that speak for itself. In closing, if you want things to improve for you around here you all have three options; find more people to RP here. Not make more characters, find more PEOPLE; look at the characters I love and find out what pleases me, then without simply emulating it, try and recapture it in your characters' words. On rare occasions I even give out specific advice if one deigns to talk to me; finally, if you don't like the other two options you can continue to roleplay for the sheer fun of it (what an original concept!) or you can take your ball and go home. While I am happy to have each and every one of you here, you are the only people keeping you in my pretend employ.

The card will be up shortly after this post. Forgive me, I am still getting used to my newfound lactose intolerence and have been producing liquids out of five very unfortunate orifices.
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triadred
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I'd like to know what it is you don't like about my RPing. For sake of my own curiosity and improvement.

EDIT BY WIGHT: We had a nice, long chat on MSN and seem to have worked this out. Here's hopin'.
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Wigumoto
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He was the only one who RPed like he really, truly wanted it.

Wow, really? Ouch. I really wanted to come back at Dai's RP with one of my own but it was so late on deadline day that didn't have a chance. Well, not late for you guys but it was half nine when I got in from work and read it which gave me a couple of hours before I went to bed to put something down on virtual paper, which wasn't gonna happen given how tired I was.
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Jo-Jo
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I never intend to ignore you Wight, I just writes what I want to writes. If you hates it, you hates it. Personally, since we're on topic, I will say that personally it does erk me when I hear I have to impress someone. That was Oni right there. But really, so long as you don't go all "My opinion is the only one that matters no matter what anyone says" there'll be that Pink Floyd-esque wall in between you and him.

End point, as Ivan Dragon said (moments after throwing buddy into the crowd ) "I fight for me!" If I'm entertained then in the end I'm happy. Because to me, it's my opinion that matters most with my characters as everyone has different likes and dislikes. How can I be certain of that? Because belief it or not, not everybody likes the concept of a lesbian stripper.

Wait... [size0]how come nobody wants to talk to me on MSN?

Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~
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And that's just how I meant it, Joe. Regardless of your intentions you are ignoring my advice. You just happen to be doing so for a decent reason.

Also, unlike Oni I'm not a picky fuck. I can accept that things I don't quite like are actually very good because of the level of skill used to display them. Not everything has to be my favorite indy fed or never ever done before by anyone ever.

Not that I'm trying to turn this into Oni bashing. I honestly miss the guy in some respects, mostly as a friend. But I did not like the way he ran feds.
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Wight I just have to say that I really appreciate what you said about me. I will vouch for you when you say you didn't have a whole lot of respect for me at all, cause I didn't really respect you that much either back in the day. But, I grew up, stopped being a stubborn little prick basically and as these things happen, I finally figured out how to effectively do what you suggested.

Anyway, thanks for saying that. <3.
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Wigumoto,Mar 4 2010
02:38 AM
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He was the only one who RPed like he really, truly wanted it.

Wow, really? Ouch. I really wanted to come back at Dai's RP with one of my own but it was so late on deadline day that didn't have a chance. Well, not late for you guys but it was half nine when I got in from work and read it which gave me a couple of hours before I went to bed to put something down on virtual paper, which wasn't gonna happen given how tired I was.

That wasn't meant to say that your RP was crap, or even that Will's was a piece of garbage. You both RPed to your usual level that I see regularly. Unfortunately, Dai went that extra mile this week. I really expected a war of geekdom to go down between hide and Lesbiana this week, with Finn coming out swinging from every which direction and Reno constantly rebutting everyone's point at every turn. But I didn't see that at all, and was actually disappointed that none of the challengers RPed like they had everything to gain from it. If you ask Wight or Kain, I really was expecting a title change to happen when I booked this match. Mostly because I feel all three of those characters are capable of taking it and because all three handlers deserve it. In the end, Dai was the only one who made me believe that he felt the same about any of the challengers.
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Lita Maivia,Mar 4 2010
06:05 PM
Wigumoto,Mar 4 2010
02:38 AM

Unfortunately, Dai went that extra mile this week. I really expected a war of geekdom to go down between hide and Lesbiana this week

Which is what I hoped for too but there just wasn't the time. Dai RPed, I RPed the next day and then Dai didn't RP again till the night of the deadline. I literally had no chance to rebuttle.

I know how this reads but I'm really not calling deadline bombing or any of that bull, I'm just saying that there wasn't time for a 'war of geekdom'. I don't know why I'm being more feedbacky then normal on this, I think I just kinda resent the implication that Lesbiana didn't 'want the win' as much as hide, which she did and in my mind I thought I got that across. Guess I didn't. S'all good though, there's always next time.
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Jo-Jo
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*Drops down in classic anime/manga girl sob style*
Waaah! Nobody likes my RP's!

I also just noticed, Roxie didn't have her evil hair in the image. Whassup wit dat?

Party on,
Joe.

~eat snacky smores~
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Was very pleased with Grim's match, of course because he won, but also because he was written very well. Not surprised at all by Swytch's match, I was expecting something of the sort to happen. I thought it was done well.
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