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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 14 2011, 11:55 AM (143 Views) | |
| Minister Wighty | Nov 14 2011, 11:55 AM Post #1 |
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Call me crazy, but I don't like this storyline with Eve. Not because a beloved character has been torn from us or whatever (if merely that were the case I'd actually enjoy it, fan of tragedy that I am) but I'm getting really tired of the ridiculous half of some of Joe's storylines. I have no problem with exaggerated characters and backstories (I make use of a few of those myself) but the storylines are treated fairly unrealistically and not even in the direction I set up NGIW for. It's one thing for a character to claim to be a vampire or a space alien and not be investigated by the proper authorities; they're on a wrestling show. They're just gimmicks, no matter how violently characters insist it is the truth. Worst case scenario they're crazy people with a special effects budget. We have, however, seen on video multiple homocides and now the strong implication of an illegal brain surgery with little to no police investigation. I could even deal with it if there were some sort of logical explanation as to why Steele Media is never investigated, or a few scenes of police and FBI investigations getting held up or whatever... but there's not. Spice might poke fun at it, but NGIW's wrestlers aren't police, they aren't detectives, and they shouldn't be the ones responsible for policing the Evil Girls. It's well-written. It could be interesting to the right party. It just lacks internal consistency with both NGIW and the real world and that bit is driving me nuts. By all means Joe can keep doing what he's doing if that's what makes him happy, but this is really starting to wear on my patience and it might start affecting victories. It didn't this week; Nir simply had Joe met in quality and topped in quantity. This week it was simple math. Sara had another great week. Even if I'm growing to hate the character, I hate her for all the right reasons. There's no ambiguity as to her status as a bitch and it's kind of refreshing to not have to wonder. Roxie and Lucas was another difficult one. I think Roxie had more volume and the stuff put over her character pretty well even if it was a little airy. I liked what both characters did and I did my best to make both characters look good. Wiggum out-did Markon pretty handedly, and the Blade Runners and Craig Stevens didn't RP (unless I missed Craig somewhere, and even if I did he didn't RP as much as Mauler) so those are kind of obvious. I'll finalize the card for Strife in Stygia later tonight if anyone else wants to add a match or two in the meantime. Looking at the card I've got some commitments on American Thanksgiving that will require a great deal of attention from me so let's just go ahead and make SiS a Sunday PPV, shall we? To those who know their matches (as the card thus far is still in General Chat), feel free to start RPing. Thots? |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 14 2011, 12:02 PM Post #2 |
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Liked the show, liked my match, not much to say really. Only thing that was confusing was the finish of the Eve vs. Joe match. But that's because I assumed FCA was another way to say Hardcore Match...so..bit understandable I was confused to see a DQ finish. Also oooooo, the awards are coming up. :) |
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| Minister Wighty | Nov 14 2011, 12:52 PM Post #3 |
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Falls Count Anywhere doesn't mean no-DQ, just as no-DQ doesn't mean falls count anywhere. Just for clarification's sake. ... also I forgot it was FCA. *laughs* But I guess it didn't matter much, did it? |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 14 2011, 12:54 PM Post #4 |
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Tell that to WWE. :P |
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| Minister Wighty | Nov 14 2011, 01:02 PM Post #5 |
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We used to have a matches list around here somewhere and it clarified these things but I don't know what happened to it. It was a similar list to the one at FIW (since I wrote that one, too) but I just haven't had the drive to repost it here yet since I'd have to redo all the code and such. |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 14 2011, 01:12 PM Post #6 |
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It's cool, I was only playing because all three names are so inter-changeable in the WWE universe. |
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| Jo-Jo | Nov 14 2011, 03:28 PM Post #7 |
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Maybe I've found the key with Roxie; write what I don't like. I don't mean to be rude there, it's just the truth. I wasn't really all too much a fan of some of the things I did with Roxie the past few weeks. I did, though, enjoy the stuff I did with Sara. Her uncaring and egotistical behaviour is easier for someone like her to write for. Then again, she is one of the Evil Girl lackeys. My apologies to Adam for not getting up a Craig RP, but if it makes him feel better I thought a Brian/Joe match would have been better anyway. I understand your concern on the Eve and other stuff I've done, but I don't want to fall into writing a system I clearly don't understand. I think I'd dread it more to have to come to my computer writing something where Hibiki is questioned by the local authorities than read through a Chester RP. That's a joke to cut whatever tension is around. Another reason I don't want to take that route is that it would involve Victoria (Steele Media CEO) far too much and she's a character I'd rather not give too much light on. Just enough to have her not know what the peoples names are and the realization that apparently Blink means money. I know it's the "real" route but I was also under the impression that we did this for fun. And if I'm going to do something not fun for the benefit of others I might as well tell Lita to step aside as I'll handle a Lucas RP for her. There's another joke at Lita's expense because she's easier than Kim. That's mean, I'm taking out what small amount of frustration I have on Lita. She tries, I know. It's not easy making April the single most revolting thing to hit a computer screen since Jaime. Kennedy sucks. Party on, Joe. ~eat snacky smores~ |
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| triadred | Nov 14 2011, 04:46 PM Post #8 |
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What's to be sorry about? Craig's inactivity ensured a Mauler victory! Suck on that, Haters! |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 14 2011, 04:48 PM Post #9 |
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Whoever could hate Brian Mauler? :P |
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| Minister Wighty | Nov 14 2011, 04:56 PM Post #10 |
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It stands to reason if you don't understand what you're writing about you probably shouldn't write about it. I understand you've taken that to mean "I don't know about the American legal system so I will just write about murder and unlawful brain surgery" but if you don't understand one half of a situation you probably shouldn't write about any of it. Again I'll mention that I don't give a shit what you write; if you enjoy it, write it. I'm just getting tired of reading it and from this point onward it will start to effect your evaluations. That isn't a threat; it's me stopping giving you the slack I've been giving you. There's kayfabe, and then there's just being unrealistic. Yes, we are doing this for fun, but a good number of us (me, Lita, Boy, Mace, and I believe Dai and Nir) like our characters to have some sort of consistency with the rest of the world. The problem with wrestling characters getting away with murder out of the ring is... why don't they just murder people in the ring? If there's no reprecussion for murder and 'Mo wants the NGIW championship why doesn't he just bring a gun into the ring and off Chester with it? Clearly there's nothing wrong with doing such a thing. It's kind of like TNA about a year ago, when Rob Van Dam got fucking horror movie murdered with that nail plank Abyss carried around. If you can do that to a person out of the ring with no reprecussions, why the fuck can't you just do the same IN the ring? It makes no sense. It was asked of me in private by a party I will not name why I made these comments publicly instead of via PM. Some could construe such behavior as insensitive. Some have construed a lot of my behavior lately as insensitive, which is weird because I have no idea why, but I digress. My reasoning was twofold; 1. I don't want anyone to assume that this kind of storyline is something that's acceptable in NGIW. Yes, this is a fantasy fed. No, nothing we do here has any bearing on the real world and perhaps most importantly, no nothing your characters are doing is directly affecting others' characters. But as I mentioned before there are many of us here who prefer a certain amount of consistency with the real world. Characters getting away with murder and mutilation without so much as an investigation is unrealistic. It breaks our suspension of disbelief. If this game were fantastic in some way, even perhaps as a super-hero genre where the villains (read: the Evil Girls) are untouchable because they live in a floating fortress or are super-powered beings who are above the scope of human law... or a fantasy game where the people who make the laws are the ones with the most power... this would all be fine. But it's not. Reason 2 is, again, we're all adults here. Granted these feds may have begun when we were kids and teenagers and we may have needed politeness policies in place to make sure hormonal teenagers didn't get their knickers in a wad and ragequit over the slightest critique, but we've evolved beyond that. We're adults and should be able to talk about such things in an adult situation. This forum is a group effort and if there's a problem the group deserves to know about it, otherwise it could upset the entire balance. Hell, if the rest of the board wanted me to allow people to just do whatever the fuck they wanted and screw suspension of disbelief/consistency then let them come to Joe's defense and say so. If the topic is discussed privately, then nobody ever hears about it and I'm just picking on Joe. Lastly, (and this always seems to be the case when I criticize someone's work in an attempt to explain my actions) if I don't like what you write then you're going to lose. You have to decide what is more important; victory or the story you want to write. I'm not going to judge you (or anyone else) on special circumstances just so you can do what you want and win more. If I am wrong; if I am acting like a dick, or if I have said something that is out of line, please somebody let me know. I am recently learning that I just have no grasp of what people find offensive and what they don't. All information would be helpful. |
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| Nightmare | Nov 14 2011, 09:46 PM Post #11 |
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Not to pile on here but I'm basically in agreement with Wight. Sure, this is a fantasy fed but are we not supposed to be roleplaying as if NGIW was an actual wrestling federation that's broadcast on TV? Were that the case, NGIW would realistically be shuttered in a fucking heartbeat if one of their talent had been getting away with murdering people. Which is bizarre, Jo, because your stuff with the Evil Girls over at FIW is more to what I want to see. There's a lot of different shit going on but at the end of the day Blink and them are still wrestlers. I don't think that a storyline like that where Eve seems capable of just wantonly slaughtering whoever she pleases and getting away with it belongs here. |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 14 2011, 10:09 PM Post #12 |
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I think some degree of fantasy or sci-fi is acceptable. Look at Dai's mystery friend for Sakura, or Sakura herself, and the Seig Sentai & their whole arc over at FIW. I mean, heck, without saying much on it, the Zero Rush storyline is a slightly more realistic take on the Seigi Sentai idea (masked superhero). I was under the impression it was intentional that you shifted the Sin Cara color scheme to make Zero look more Batman like. If I was wrong, sorry for assuming that. There are other, less extreme, examples too. Bloodbath's stalking of Kim, Kursur as a whole from what I've seen. Both are cases where if this was more grounded in reality, the police saw any of those actions, they'd be right on them. However I do agree, to some extent, there needs to be a line. I think an argument can be made for the brain surgery thing though. Evil Girls, Steele Media, whoever, could always tell the law it's a gimmick and the law would probably buy it. Seeing as the lines are, especially with the reality TV aspects of NGIW and even more so Evil Girls, blurred to begin with even in kayfabe. Same could apply to Eve trying to "kill" people in the ring, if that's what we're talking about. I was under the impression Wighty was talking about the assassin in Evil Girls. |
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| Sqweaktoy | Nov 14 2011, 10:49 PM Post #13 |
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I was talking about this (this being the Jo conversation) with Wight and another thing occured to me. Nir makes a good point, Kursur does some really questionable things, I mean until recently I've tried to keep things on this side of plausible deniability until recently
[size0]*but he has done things in the past which are extreme, here's the difference: Kursur has not to date killed anybody within range of an NGIW camera. This causes a peculiar problem, because there are people on NGIW camera who have murdered several people (keep in mind, I really like Hibiki) it makes other Heels seem by extension, less threatening. Sure Giggles will cut you and Kursur will cheat and Spade will at some point probably get himself DQ'ed, not to mention all the raping courtesy of Swytch, but none of them are likely to actually MURDER you. In real life this is of course not an issue at all, Jo wouldn't harm so much as a hair on Heart's pretty little head without my consent, but that still doesn't change the fact that within NGIW's made up little world, the Evil Girls should damned well be feared (though that isn't to say they are, which is a whole different issue) more than any other people on the roster simply because their creator outside said world is willing to have them do things that others of his kind would not. [size0]* Recently the thing with Ofdenson has tipped Kursur a bit over the edge, rest assured, the hammer is coming, but at the speed of plot. |
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| Samoan | Nov 14 2011, 11:51 PM Post #14 |
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Technically, nothing was ever shown on camera. The most you could prove is that he groped Kim and was a little forceful with her. If you wanted to relate it to real world, I think worst case scenario, evidence (that would be camera footage) would get him convicted of a lesser form of assault. But that's intentional, as to not cross an X-Rated line. |
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| Sqweaktoy | Nov 14 2011, 11:59 PM Post #15 |
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See, there you go. EDIT: That was an unhelpful response. What I mean was despite the fact nothing was actually shown the impact of the action was still there, and it stays within the suspension of disbelief zone. |
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| Nightmare | Nov 15 2011, 11:42 AM Post #16 |
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Seigi Sentai I don't think fits the mold because while they play like they're supernatural interplanetary superheroes, they still kind of have that "luchador" flair to them. Hell, Keiji Mutoh's gimmick is being possessed by an ancient Japanese demon who turns him into Great MUTA. What I mean is I could totally see a gimmick like Seigi Sentai working somewhere like AAA or CMLL or one of the Japanese promotions. |
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| Minister Wighty | Nov 15 2011, 05:13 PM Post #17 |
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Regardless, if Kim didn't press charges then Swytch is free to go about his business unmolested. ... well, that was an awful choice of words.
As I said above; gimmicks are one thing. Things you claim to be and things you do on-screen are two very different subjects. |
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