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Wednesday Night Vice Feedback; FEED IT!!!
Topic Started: Jan 16 2013, 09:33 PM (332 Views)
Minister Wighty
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A few interesting events unfolding this week! I like it. Instead of a post-holiday slump we have a post-holiday explosion! Thanks to Adam, Nir, and Jay for their input this week. I don't think there were a lot of head-scratchers in terms of the results, but if you feel differently feel free to ask.

Card's finished. Just waiting on a small edit before I post it.

Gonna be a big one, kids.

Thots?
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Mjölnir
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If my character was going to be used as a prop by somebody else like he was without my okay, I would've liked some communication about it beforehand by that other party at least.

Aside from that, good show.
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Lita Maivia
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The show was pretty cool. I don't really have any complaints about it. Of course it always sucks when you really only have one character to focus on (as obviously Kennedy was NOT going to win the contendership and I was aware of this when I suggested her for the match) and you still manage to not do well enough to win, but I'm not really complaining because I didn't exactly do A LOT with Lucas despite the fact he's all I had to worry about.

I am glad to see hide win the contendership, though. That's who I wanted Lucas to face and I was so happy that Dai got something awesome up for the character. I've been waiting close to three years for hide Kitazawa vs. Lucas Torres. Even if Lucas gets his head punched off, it's still going to be awesome.
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If my character was going to be used as a prop by somebody else like he was without my okay, I would've liked some communication about it beforehand by that other party at least.

I'm going to assume you're talking about the Brian Mauler return during the main event tag. I'm honestly not going to apologize for my idea mostly because, first, Joe played a minor role in an otherwise bigger event, and second, I leave my characters open for pot shots and sucker punches all the time and have never once drawn issue with it. As a matter of fact, I recall Joe Stanton laying waste to Brian Mauler with a lead pipe and I wasn't told about it. It happens and I trust people around here, yourself included, to do those things because it keeps things interesting. I'm not squashing your concern or saying your wrong for whatever. I'm just standing by my suggestion which was modified and then used because I honestly don't see this the way you might. I will, however, apologize if you feel hurt or upset. Truly, my intention was never to stir up these potential feelings in you.

Beyond that, I enjoyed the show. Some great things and ideas to work into the SLAughterhouse Three RP's, and I'm excited to reveal the Wilson/Mauler scheme! A pair of men that people can genuinely despise! I was honestly of the mind that Torres/Stutt were going to walk away with this one, first, because the Stanton/Wilson faction couldn't as much as order lunch together, let alone weather a tag team main event! And second, Lita and Onslaught put out quality RP's as per usual. I always feel like a fish out of water when I try to match RP's with Lita!
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Mjölnir
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triadred,Jan 16 2013
11:07 PM
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If my character was going to be used as a prop by somebody else like he was without my okay, I would've liked some communication about it beforehand by that other party at least.

I'm going to assume you're talking about the Brian Mauler return during the main event tag. I'm honestly not going to apologize for my idea mostly because, first, Joe played a minor role in an otherwise bigger event, and second, I leave my characters open for pot shots and sucker punches all the time and have never once drawn issue with it. As a matter of fact, I recall Joe Stanton laying waste to Brian Mauler with a lead pipe and I wasn't told about it. It happens and I trust people around here, yourself included, to do those things because it keeps things interesting. I'm not squashing your concern or saying your wrong for whatever. I'm just standing by my suggestion which was modified and then used because I honestly don't see this the way you might. I will, however, apologize if you feel hurt or upset. Truly, my intention was never to stir up these potential feelings in you.

Beyond that, I enjoyed the show. Some great things and ideas to work into the SLAughterhouse Three RP's, and I'm excited to reveal the Wilson/Mauler scheme! A pair of men that people can genuinely despise! I was honestly of the mind that Torres/Stutt were going to walk away with this one, first, because the Stanton/Wilson faction couldn't as much as order lunch together, let alone weather a tag team main event! And second, Lita and Onslaught put out quality RP's as per usual. I always feel like a fish out of water when I try to match RP's with Lita!

The Hellraise incident you're referring to was after you had Mauler destroy Joe's bike without even telling me beforehand. Let alone getting my okay on it. So the lead pipe was introduced by Mauler, and by extension you.

I suggested to Wighty at the time Joe use it at one point to attack Mauler during the match because of it. Since, despite being annoyed with what was done, I tried to roll with the punches. Wighty was the one who decided to take it to the lengths it went.

For reference, I didn't expect you to apologize.

You're excusing it as a minor role is why I referred to his role as a prop. Which I'm assuming it was, unless plans have changed without me being informed. Something that doesn't make it any less annoying it happened, albeit could've easily been avoided had I been asked or even let known beforehand.

Furthermore, just because you operate that way with your characters doesn't necessarily mean others do.
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Onslaught
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Sometimes letting people in on certain storyline facets deflates the sense of surprise. People get sucker punched. It happens.

I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose. I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.
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Mjölnir
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:19 PM
Sometimes letting people in on certain storyline facets deflates the sense of surprise. People get sucker punched. It happens.

I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose. I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.

Considering Triad and I aren't doing a storyline or a feud, it deflates nothing letting me in on him deciding to have his character attack my own. With the sole purpose of using my character as a prop to put his own returning character over.
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Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:21 PM
Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:19 PM
Sometimes letting people in on certain storyline facets deflates the sense of surprise.  People get sucker punched.  It happens. 

I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose.  I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.

Considering Triad and I aren't doing a storyline or a feud, it deflates nothing letting me in on him deciding to have his character attack my own. With the sole purpose of using my character as a prop to put his own returning character over.

Joe got sucker punched. It's not like he was massively humiliated. I'm failing to see why this is so bad.

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Mjölnir
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:23 PM
Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:21 PM
Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:19 PM
Sometimes letting people in on certain storyline facets deflates the sense of surprise.  People get sucker punched.  It happens. 

I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose.  I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.

Considering Triad and I aren't doing a storyline or a feud, it deflates nothing letting me in on him deciding to have his character attack my own. With the sole purpose of using my character as a prop to put his own returning character over.

Joe got sucker punched. It's not like he was massively humiliated. I'm failing to see why this is so bad.

In theory, it's not. However it is a courtesy to let me know beforehand when my character's sole role in this storyline he's running is to get sucker punched and then drop out of it. Being made to look like a fool in the process of making his character look good.

Had I been informed beforehand, I'd likely have been fine with it. Because I wasn't, I'm now mildly irritated about it. It's great if Triad or you wouldn't be. But I'm not either of you and I obviously operate my characters in a different manner.

My e-fed upbringing was about common respect amongst fellow RPers. Something like this happens, you tell the other guy.
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Sometimes characters end up looking foolish. It's give and take. Who's to say that you ONLY have to be a prop? What's stopping Joe from retaliating in the future?

Look, I AM from a different culture than you. In that culture, people's characters don't have to be "protected". Nobody is above getting jumped every once in a while, with or without notice.

And honestly, I think you would have felt poorly about it whether or not he PM'ed you beforehand. You said it yourself, you feel it made Joe look foolish. But NOBODY is above getting the drop on them sometimes. Lord knows I've had it happen to me, and then I parlayed it into storylines.
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
10:19 PM
I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose. I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.

Well, I didn't want to be the one to say it, but thank you. Hehe.
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Mjölnir
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:34 PM
Sometimes characters end up looking foolish. It's give and take. Who's to say that you ONLY have to be a prop? What's stopping Joe from retaliating in the future?

Look, I AM from a different culture than you. In that culture, people's characters don't have to be "protected". Nobody is above getting jumped every once in a while, with or without notice.

And honestly, I think you would have felt poorly about it whether or not he PM'ed you beforehand. You said it yourself, you feel it made Joe look foolish. But NOBODY is above getting the drop on them sometimes. Lord knows I've had it happen to me, and then I parlayed it into storylines.

I realize it's give and take, why I have willingly allowed my characters to look foolish in the past for the sake of others or storylines. And, I agree, nobody is above getting jumped. It isn't a matter of being protected, again, it's a matter of respect and common decency.

And while it's nice you've parlayed it into a storyline in the past, it won't happen here. Joe has other plans already that aren't involving Hype and/or Mauler. So it's essentially been a one-off thing that puts Mauler over Joe. Which, again, I would've been more willing to accept had I been informed beforehand.

So, once again, I respectfully disagree with you. And, I do not appreciate the idea that you know more about how I feel than I, myself, do about this.
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Lita Maivia,Jan 16 2013
10:36 PM
Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
10:19 PM
I will say however that this is the first match I've had here that I was surprised to lose.  I thought Lita and I busted our asses leading up to it.

Well, I didn't want to be the one to say it, but thank you. Hehe.

Your welcome. Its the only call I've felt should have gone the other way since I started here. Not to say our opponents didn't put out quality stuff, but this one was a shocker. We did a lot of relationship building for that one.
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Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:38 PM


So, once again, I respectfully disagree with you. And, I do not appreciate the idea that you know more about how I feel than I, myself, do about this.

I got that impression because you seemed to focus quite a bit on "Joe looking bad".
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:43 PM
Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:38 PM


So, once again, I respectfully disagree with you. And, I do not appreciate the idea that you know more about how I feel than I, myself, do about this.

I got that impression because you seemed to focus quite a bit on "Joe looking bad".

Which he did. But notice how the mass majority of the times I mention that, it's either right before or right after the part about not being told beforehand about it.

Yeah.

[size0]That.

That right there?

Yeah.

[size0]Kinda important.
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Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:45 PM
Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
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Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:38 PM


So, once again, I respectfully disagree with you. And, I do not appreciate the idea that you know more about how I feel than I, myself, do about this.

I got that impression because you seemed to focus quite a bit on "Joe looking bad".

Which he did. But notice how the mass majority of the times I mention that, it's either right before or right after the part about not being told beforehand about it.

Yeah.

[size0]That.

That right there?

Yeah.

[size0]Kinda important.

You know what, I'm just gonna go in with it because I've settled on resigning anyway. But it's this kind of attitude that really turns people off. Instead of going with the flow you got all up in arms because somebody had a character take a swing without telling you before hand. On a scale of what somebody COULD have done to Joe without telling you, that rates a solid 2 out of 10. It was such a piddling thing.

It was so minor it didn't even warrant a comment, but you did. Because quite frankly I think you're a bit too protective of your "creations". And that kind of attitude make me feel like in the future I' going to have to tip toe around certain "creations" lest I invoke some kind of ire.

So, uh...deuces, I guess....
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In theory, it's not. However it is a courtesy to let me know beforehand when my character's sole role in this storyline he's running is to get sucker punched and then drop out of it. Being made to look like a fool in the process of making his character look good.

Had I been informed beforehand, I'd likely have been fine with it. Because I wasn't, I'm now mildly irritated about it. It's great if Triad or you wouldn't be. But I'm not either of you and I obviously operate my characters in a different manner.

My e-fed upbringing was about common respect amongst fellow RPers. Something like this happens, you tell the other guy.

Maybe I'm being a whiner or whatever, but I'd just like to point out that I show people around here a great deal of respect through my openmindedness about angles, often putting other characters over at the expense of my own, my dedication and active participation of several years to not just NGIW but almost all related projects hatched by Wight, Lita, and Joe, and my usual polite demeanor with everyone I interact with in this community. I don't think there's a soul in NGIW who can honestly say I'm anything but a nice guy. Therefore, and quite frankly, I think I've earned the benefit of the doubt. And furthermore, this debate offends me.
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Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:54 PM
Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:45 PM
Onslaught,Jan 16 2013
11:43 PM
Mjölnir,Jan 16 2013
10:38 PM


So, once again, I respectfully disagree with you. And, I do not appreciate the idea that you know more about how I feel than I, myself, do about this.

I got that impression because you seemed to focus quite a bit on "Joe looking bad".

Which he did. But notice how the mass majority of the times I mention that, it's either right before or right after the part about not being told beforehand about it.

Yeah.

[size0]That.

That right there?

Yeah.

[size0]Kinda important.

You know what, I'm just gonna go in with it because I've settled on resigning anyway. But it's this kind of attitude that really turns people off. Instead of going with the flow you got all up in arms because somebody had a character take a swing without telling you before hand. On a scale of what somebody COULD have done to Joe without telling you, that rates a solid 2 out of 10. It was such a piddling thing.

It was so minor it didn't even warrant a comment, but you did. Because quite frankly I think you're a bit too protective of your "creations". And that kind of attitude make me feel like in the future I' going to have to tip toe around certain "creations" lest I invoke some kind of ire.

So, uh...deuces, I guess....

Funny thing is, like I said, I was mildly irritated about it, the kind of feeling that can pass within a night. By tomorrow morning at the latest, I'd be over it. But this is a feedback thread, meant to air both what we felt were positives and negatives of the show. I aired a negative, it was other parties that decided to take up arms over something that annoyed me a little that I let be known.

I'm sorry my feeling on the matter concerns you so much that you're quitting, as I do like your characters and you, and I wouldn't like to see you go. But I'm not going to bite my tongue or simply conform to someone else's point of view if I don't agree with it.

Adios.

EDITED

To address Triad's above post...

Perhaps you're right, but I've never seen that from you personally, no offense. My dealings with you have been alot of lack of communication from your end and you doing your own thing. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if they keep taking advantage of that, I eventually stop. So, through past track record with you, you've made me hesitant to afford you that.
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Lita Maivia
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Okay. This bullshit is out of control and has caused me to get really pissed off. If I see another post that upsets me, some people will get fucked up.

I am not playing.

And this has nothing to do with airing negatives about the show.
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I was pleased when I logged on from my shower to see in my PM inbox that though the incident wasn't well-recieved it was at least handled in a mature fashion.

Then I read this thread. I am less than pleased.

I'm so tired of this specific issue I don't even know where to begin. It feels like retreading old ground for the dozenth time, but obviously it's something that still hasn't been put to rest so I guess that's what needs to be done. Let us commence with the part where two sides kick and scream like children until nobody is happy and the people who aren't directly involved sit back and awkwardly stare at one another like "why are mommy and daddy fighting? Are they getting a divorce?"

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If my character was going to be used as a prop by somebody else like he was without my okay, I would've liked some communication about it beforehand by that other party at least.


This and the echoed sentiments you (that is to say Nir) made later on in the feedback thread are my primary problem with the way you've chosen to react. As calmly-worded a reaction as it is, I question the purpose and I question the ideology behind it. It's in my nature to lean on metaphor and comparison here to help along my points but I'm just going to be blunt for a change.

You don't get to be the arbiter for every single thing that happens to your characters.

Nobody does.

Lita doesn't. Jay doesn't. Joe doesn't. Adam doesn't. Boy doesn't. Brandie doesn't. 'Mo never did. Fear never did. Hell, even I don't have complete control of what happens to my characters. More than most? Certainly. I post the show, but lots of things happen in roleplay threads that nobody but the poster has any control over. I'd like to point to Zombie Black as a prime example of someone who has been saddled with the Midway title for a number of months now purely because I was trying to help a storyline that I had no clue had an expiration date. We have been keeping a viable singles title on a character whom I don't even really feel that much passion to play all because I want to see storylines reach their fruition and facilitate good times for people like yourself and Nightmare.

If you CAN'T let something as simple as one punch to knock a character off an apron occur without your explicit say-so, then it doesn't seem to me that you're in a very cooperative mindset and it doesn't say to me that you can help to support a friendly, co-operative atmosphere, much less in the seat of an NGIW Champion.

I understand you're not THAT upset. I understand you're just giving negative feedback as the thread says, and I'm fine with negative feedback. I accept that you don't like what happened and I've done my work to rectify it from having any continued effect on you. The problem here is that the negative element isn't that Adam asked me to return his old character in dynamic fashion, and it isn't that I'm power-mad and/or careless in what I allow to occur on my show. It's that YOU don't trust anybody but yourself to make the final call on anything that happens to your character.

This is... so minor. It's so nothing. But you had to step in here and comment on it. You couldn't leave well enough alone, you had to throw a match to that powder keg. The keg exploded and now you're acting like you're not the one standing around holding a box of matches. (There's your metaphor, kids.) You're allowed to not like that someone else hit your character for whatever reason you choose not to like it. But you can't expect to be given special treatment just BECAUSE you don't like it. America might be a democracy, but I'm a socialist. Everybody DOES their equal share, everybody GETS their equal share.

I am loathe to say this because I have a lot of respect for you as a person. I LIKE you as a person. I honestly wish we were better friends. I think you're a neat guy. But watching you so callously and selfishly play the victim over something so small and then shrug as you egg on another prominent member of the fed until he ragequits isn't acceptable in this e-fed. I don't see how it's acceptable in ANY social setting. You can either learn to live with a few surprises, or you can go. I'm tired of dealing with this crap.

As to Jay I'm assuming your statement of "deuces" means you're leaving the federation (as I mentioned off-handedly above). Unfortunate, but I'm really not in the mood to beg anyone to come back, nor am I equipped to do so. It was wonderful having you here. I hope to work with you again in the future. The same sentiments extend to Nir, of course, should he also decide NGIW is no longer his home.
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