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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 29 2013, 02:37 AM (298 Views) | |
| Minister Wighty | Nov 29 2013, 02:37 AM Post #1 |
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OK, once again, sorry for the delay. First half of the card was written by me, second half by Nir, promos from Boy, Pete, and BDC. Bah, my brain. So here's the rundown. 1. As you can tell by my results, we're bridging even further into the short results style. This will eventually become a pair of "separate" tagged-on pre-shows to the actual Vice and BLACK. These shows will take place on the same day as the main shows but the only difference is they'll have shorter results. No entrances, probably no promos, that kind of thing. Really all it's pending is graphics, which I'll mock up when I have the time. Future results might be even shorter than what you saw in this show, depending on card size, but I'll do what I can. Volunteers to write matches will always help for this. It sucks, I agree, but our roster is TITANIC and unless you want us to impose a hard wrestler cap, this is what's going to have to happen. The reason we're separating these pre-shows from the main card is because that way wrestlers will know what to expect with results. You wanna get on the main card? Start a feud. Get good enough to legitimately go after a title. That kind of thing. There's plenty of talent here, so there's plenty of opportunities to do well in the fed, too. 2. I am no longer fully in charge of booking the card. I honestly haven't had much inpsiration for which matches to throw together or what feuds to ignite, so it's kind of a natural transition... but don't fret! I really haven't booked anything for months so little will change in terms of style. Lita Maivia will now be booking the show, with input from myself and the rest of the administration team. I'll still be here doing my usual duties, probably to a better and more efficient extent so if you need anything, you can still feel free to PM me. I think that's it. Most of the card is mocked up. Expect Lita to post it soon-ish. Sorry for the delay, and please bear in mind the deadline will not be changing. ALSO... as is mentioned in several places on this board our deadlines are in Eastern Standard Time because most of our administration staff is in Eastern Standard Time. There are plenty of time conversion charts across the web, and they're not that hard to memorize (handy, too) so I reccommend going out and peeping one if you're having trouble with remembering our deadlines. Congrats to the victors, better luck next time to the losers, and thank you all for participating. Thots? |
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| Hayden | Nov 29 2013, 02:42 AM Post #2 |
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I'd like to think it was the deadline that caused Dream to lose. Still a bit heartbreaking, given how it was written out. (SO CLOSE!) Good show so far. Still reading through, but I did enjoy Jokester's match as well. |
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| Daisuke | Nov 29 2013, 02:42 AM Post #3 |
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Who Let That Idiot Near a Computer?
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Quick apology to Rotinaj before I go to work, wish I could have got that RP up earlier in the week, I feel hide and Jackie could do some strange things together. |
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| Pain | Nov 29 2013, 03:01 AM Post #4 |
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I liked how Cody actually was holding his own in the main event, but I would like to apologize for that RP i put out... it could have been better, but with me being sick and feeling like crap, getting out of bed to write was the last thing i wanted to do. I Shall make this up to you guys! ...somehow...virtual Pumpkin pie? |
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| Pete | Nov 29 2013, 04:39 AM Post #5 |
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First thought: WOOHOO it's good to be back! Welcome back, Mr. Vycious, sir - you've been missed. I loved the ending to that match - it gave me the belt whilst still putting Dream over, and Mr. Vycious's reaction was very much in character. I could just see his face in my head xD Secondly, Wighty, if you need help booking and/or writing matches, feel free to hit me up. I know I'm a newbie here, but I've booked cards before and I love doing so! Really enjoyed a few of the matches on this card (only skimmed the main event but will read later) and of course I am raring to go with the Hellcat/Jacqui feud! The Bloody Money/Baz feud is really catching fire as well (but sadly, no Jennifer Lawrence). I also know my friend BDC is happy to have picked up a win with BANG! - not too used to that, are we Beedz? On the opposite end of the spectrum - BOO YOU SUCK FOR JOBBING OUT STEVIE! *Angrily takes to message boards to type in all caps about BURIED HEAT WORKRATE MOVESET* Seriously though, good show, but these pre-shows are going to make me have to hustle! :p |
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| Lita Maivia | Nov 29 2013, 02:38 PM Post #6 |
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I don't want anyone to take the pre-show negatively if you're booked on there. I know some people are not fans of short results, but sometimes they are unavoidable to fit everyone in AND get the shows put up on time without burning anyone out on match writing. My intent behind booking the pre-show is to allow more people to be booked in matches that highlight THEM as opposed to squeezing everyone on the card in clusterfuck matches. Also, it allows for essentially two main-event slots every show. Granted, I understand being the main-event of Vice/BLACK vs. the pre-show is not the same feeling but it does allow for more spotlight on characters that might not be a champion or gunning for the NGIW title. It is also meant to get alternate characters more time to shine and be explored. Just because Dream is Hayden's main character and happens to be in the thick of the Flycore title scene, I don't like that Seto gets left out often. I want these additional characters to evolve and for people to be able to learn about whether or not these additional characters are worth their time and they can't do that when they're hardly booked. This also helps us learn how many characters you actually can handle at any given time. Another aspect is that this allows me to book a smaller card for the Vice/BLACK that is more manageable to write when Nir sits down to do the show. That's not to say we don't want other people writing, but Nir is particular about writing results and enjoys writing the shows for us. This would cut down on the amount of effort he has to stretch amongst the card so that the weekly results can remain up to par. What this also means is that while the pre-show will mostly be short-results, if anyone wants to write out results for a pre-show match then they are more than welcome. I'd prefer the main-event be taken before anything else, but I won't be too particular especially if someone wants to try their hand at writing and is unsure of themselves then the pre-show is a great place to start. So, in conclusion, I'd like people to really take advantage of the pre-show in every way that they can. If you're booked on there, please run with it. If your feud is brand new and you end up on the pre-show don't take it negatively. Make your feud THE feud to watch on the pre-show. Give us a reason to bump your feud to the main card. Please keep this in mind: Nobody is ever on the pre-show because they don't deserve to be on the main show. |
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| Pete | Nov 29 2013, 03:03 PM Post #7 |
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The pre-shows make sense as a way to showcase new guys making their first appearance (i.e. my Legion), try out newcomers (like Ceberus) and book comedy or jobber characters. I think they should be used mostly for that, as well as for purely competitive matches with little or no stakes. That way, the first match on the actual show's card could already be something of import, like a spotlight feud or midcard title defense. Think of it this way: on WWE, Sheamus & Barrett vs Tons of Funk takes place on Sat Morning Slam, Dean Ambrose v Antonio Cesaro might go on Superstars, and on RAW you have the spotlight matches. This should be the same. But be very careful. I've seen B-shows created once before, and while the intent was to treat them as 'just more shows from the brand', it backfired (it didn't help that they were called Heat and Velocity, to be honest.) Anyway, what I'm saying is, if you've got a potentially 'money' match between two awesome RPers, DON'T PUT IT ON THAT KIND OF SHOW (believe me, I once had a 5-star PPV-caliber match on Heat, and it buried everyone involved, including the booker/fedhead. It didn't boost up the show as he claimed to want to do, but rather had the inverse effect on the match.) Other than that I agree with this. But I don't really like having ALL my characters booked at once like this week. I had spoken to Wighty about dividing them evenly between the two shows, and I'd like that trend to continue if possible. Just a minor gripe though, good work handling the roster guys - and it's good that we're getting so big that we necessitate something like this! EDIT: Re-reading the last paragraph...so the pre-show's kinda like NXT? |
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| Lita Maivia | Nov 29 2013, 03:50 PM Post #8 |
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Last I saw NXT it was a competition show to crown a new superstar. I don't really know what it is anymore so I can't answer that question. Anyway, this isn't a B-show. It's a second show that runs on the same show schedule so we can keep our larger RP windows that we all like and still let people have matches that focus on their character instead 6+ characters at once. It's only a B-show if you choose to treat it that way. There's no reason great matches can't happen on the show. There's no reason we can't see the Midway title defended in the main event. Just because a match is booked on Bullet or SICK doesn't mean it's not a good match or not worth anyone's time. The fact that this other fed had a fantastic match on that show shouldn't have buried anyone. It should've been a great moment for the characters, the writers, and the fed as a whole. What kind of roster members did that fed have? They sound kind of close-minded, to be blunt. |
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| Pete | Nov 29 2013, 04:20 PM Post #9 |
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We kind of were (I was leading the 'ON THE Z-SHOW?!?!?!?' parade of disbelieving gasps, I must admit.) Also there was personal heat behind that decision, as we had originally been promised a PPV spot. NXT is currently a sort of replacement FCW. It's the 'show us what you got and we might call you up!' show. Bray Wyatt came from there. And Summer Rae. |
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| Lita Maivia | Nov 29 2013, 04:22 PM Post #10 |
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Then no, it's not NXT. It's not strictly to develop people for Vice or BLACK. It serves to play that role for some characters, but not everyone booked on there. |
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| Jo-Jo | Nov 29 2013, 05:18 PM Post #11 |
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Again, I don't mind short results so long as there's at least enough opportunities for all involved and they don't come off sounding too one-sided. Party on, Joe. ~eat snacky smores~ |
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| Doomed | Nov 29 2013, 06:21 PM Post #12 |
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So, I haven't had a real chance to read the results, but in typical NGIW fashion, I'm liking what I see thus far. And as far as the new pre-show goes.....I personally love the idea. I think, if done correctly, it'd be a perfect platform for RPers who either can't find a spot on the main card, or for the occasional veteran looking to shake ring rust. And it'll give RPers more exposure without forcing bookers to write long matches. Wrighty, if you need someone to help write/book matches for Bullet, feel free to PM me. :) |
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| Mjölnir | Nov 29 2013, 07:14 PM Post #13 |
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We Live. We Die. We Live Again.
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Perhaps this will date me a little but the comparison I made when staff was discussing our options was the old WWE monday night line-up. As in, RAW didn't always used to be just Monday Night RAW. There was RAW, and then there was Warzone. And, unlike for so many years where the two just bled together, Warzone used to be treated as it's own entity. You'd get some stuff on RAW, and you'd get some stuff on Warzone. It's where the concept of the "10 p.m. main event" came from that you might hear some talk about. Because that would be the last segment for RAW of the night and usually it would involve some big players or big storyline. Whether a promo or a match, it would end RAW with a bang and let them transition with some interest into Warzone, keeping people to stick around & watch. |
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| Mr. Creep | Nov 29 2013, 11:02 PM Post #14 |
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SO like, the show. I enjoyed it. Main event was good I liked Lioncock tagging himself in. I also feel :( that Dream, one of my favorite characters lost his belt. One thing I do have to say about the roster this size is that it makes it hard to follow everyone's characters. Honestly, Mr. Creep could thrive on underground cred so stick him wherever as I'll put in the same effort either way. |
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