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Violence Fetish Feedback; Yup
Topic Started: Sep 3 2014, 06:51 AM (616 Views)
ratedgdr
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Nightmare,Sep 4 2014
07:49 PM
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(PS Sticky: Be more like Adam. Rip off something you really enjoy and then try and make it your own when You've run out of good Foley promos. Me and Lita do it, too.)


I have totally done this too. My first couple RPs as Erik were straight ripoffs of Sami Callihan promos. Once I found his 'voice', it's been nothing but roses.

I tried doing that elsewhere. Got completely shit on for doing so.
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ratedgdr,Sep 5 2014
12:36 PM
Nightmare,Sep 4 2014
07:49 PM
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(PS Sticky: Be more like Adam. Rip off something you really enjoy and then try and make it your own when You've run out of good Foley promos. Me and Lita do it, too.)


I have totally done this too. My first couple RPs as Erik were straight ripoffs of Sami Callihan promos. Once I found his 'voice', it's been nothing but roses.

I tried doing that elsewhere. Got completely shit on for doing so.

By no means does it mean you're gonna get shit on for doing it here. Doing that has helped me start promos, end promos, and fill in stuff that I think is relevant to the match.
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Of the top of my head:

- The Red Pirates are, member-for-member, Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger, before them the Daito Rangers were Shinkenger.
- Sakura Kikkawa even admits she borrows heavily from a certain CLAMP manga.
- Bloodbath McGrath is now more Mike Knox to me than Mike Knox.
- Brain Mauler was straight up Pillman, although I don't think that one worked out as well as some of the others listed here. [He never wrestled a pencil, dammit!]
- Holland and Callihan as mentioned above.
- The original concept of hide Kitazawa was the main villain from The World Ends With You, with his fighting style cribbed from Hajime no Ippo villains.

It's not a long term strategy, but it can be the starting point for something pretty good if you can put your own stamp on it.

EDIT: Nate Alexander doesn't earn his Tully Blanchard comparisons until he calls Kim Coulter "The Perfect Ten."
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Daisuke,Sep 5 2014
02:07 PM
- The Red Pirates are, member-for-member, Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger, before them the Daito Rangers were Shinkenger.

In the beginning and still heavy shades of them. Though, I have been taking steps to change certain characters within the group as some of them are not nearly as easy to roleplay as wrestlers.

- Blazing KISUKE was pretty damn close to Kouga from Garo... in the beginning.
- Joe Stanton borrowed a lot from Dean Winchester on Supernatural.
- Cody McGinnis has shades of Sam Winchester, especially when Joe was around.
- Chester Wynn is Deadpool (though this one was highly unintentionally as I knew next to nothing about Deadpool).
- Mr. Intensity is John Cena at his best.
- Jaime Lee was Mickie James.
- Roxie Stevenson is Sailor Moon (another unintentional one).

There's tons.
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Daisuke,Sep 5 2014
01:07 PM
EDIT: Nate Alexander doesn't earn his Tully Blanchard comparisons until he calls Kim Coulter "The Perfect Ten."

I'll have you know I modeled Alexander after Tully BEFORE he had Baby Doll with him. :p
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Nightmare is a mixture of Dark Knight Returns-era/Comic Book Batman and The Undertaker.

Point is, think of your favorite wrestlers, favorite pop culture and try to make those elements part of YOUR wrestler. Then use that as a base to help you find his voice. Erik's RPs are now COMPLETELY original from my head.
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Take it from me, man. "Borrowing" ideas helps kick start the creative juices when you're experiencing a block. If I didn't know what to write for Brian Mauler, I'd ask myself, "what would Brian Pillman do"? Having a foundation personality with some source material to boot really helps flesh out your character, and in some cases helps your readers buy into the personality because it reminds them of someone they love/hate. Transference, dude. It's a thing.

Violence Fetish rocked my socks off! I knew going in that all the work I had done with Bloodbath was weak sauce, but I stayed true to my platform for sake of consistency. Plus, what good is a comeback if Mister Intensity were to lose on pay-per-view? Scott Free going head to head with the Dream had me concerned. I don't normally care so much about results... I just like to write promos for Scott... but I really wanted to win this one. The most recent Scott Free RP is pretty much me enjoying the shit out of a bowl of Cheerio's because reading that Scott had won felt awesome! April/Scott is going to be a lot of fun!

I'm actually glad for the feud because my love of e-wrestling has been on the decline of late. It felt more like a chore than a hobby, and that sucks. I'd put of writing anything because I hadn't spent any time really developing any thoughts I had with my characters. I think it's as frustrating for me as it is for others who like my characters. One week I write something enjoyable and then I shit the bed with some weak so-I-don't-miss-the-deadline steaming turd of an RP. I won't say I'm sorry for it, because who do I owe what, right? But I do want to be honest. People were probably expecting brilliance, or something close to it, with Intensity and Bloodbath and I didn't deliver. This is why.

But, I have the time and hopefully the rekindled motivation to play along with Lita. I'll try not to drop the ball 'Nir has tossed me.
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The Doctor is just Discord/Q + Kurusr, with a little Sherlock Holmes thrown in for flavor.
The Bisenshi are like an awful combination between Team Rocket and the Sailor Senshi.

Even my most original characters take cues from Macho Man, Rob Zombie movies, Mushroomhead songs, and so on. One of the best promos Will and I did as THEM! was a complete rip-off of the Briscoes style.

It's not about word-for-word writing a promo that another media entity did. Drop a line or two maybe, but make sure to at least point out in the narration that "Gus seems to have been watching a little too much Dark Knight Rises lately..." or "with apologies to Diamond Dallas Page". You're looking for a theme. A character hook. A comfortable coat you can put on when writing to get yourself into the very specific mindset of your character so that every roleplay feels like a consistent piece in the overall narrative of a character and not just "my words for this week".
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Minister Wighty,Sep 5 2014
04:46 PM
Even my most original characters take cues from Macho Man, Rob Zombie movies, Mushroomhead songs, and so on. One of the best promos Will and I did as THEM! was a complete rip-off of the Briscoes style.

Yep. I watched the Briscoes "Violence" promo and absolutely saw Erik and Zombie Black do the exact same thing. I really like the way the Briscoes (Jay & Mark not Gerry and Jack) cut a promo, it's intense as hell & perfect for the feel I wanted for the team. Not the same words verbatim, but the same idea. We started from that point & made it our own.
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- Mr. Intensity is John Cena at his best.

Hey Mr. Intensity has been around as a character since John Cena was "The Prototype". John Stole His gimmick, not the other way around ;P. Still, the comparison is eerie sometimes.

That said, I'm as much a thief as anybody here.

The whole Royal Flush Gang is an accidental homage to the Cenobites from the first Hellraiser movie, in theme if not exact actions.

Spade himself is Sadomasochistic Prot (from K-Pax).

Diamond is TiBmcnBlcmc=

I can't actually remember who Intensity's original Inspiration was, but I know it wasn't especially brilliant.

Kursur is actually the exception here in that If memory serves, a few characters served as source material for his look, but his personality is based more on a series of tropes than any one person . Basically a hodgepodge of This, This, and This

EDIT:Linked to the wrong article in one of those, fixed now
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Minister Wighty,Sep 5 2014
09:46 PM
Stuff.

Thanks for putting what I was going for into coherent thoughts.
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Welp, I just went and took everyone's advice.

I'm going to hide in my bunker now.
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Okay, extremely late but here we go...

So, Gus and the Doctor. Going to be honest, I know Sticky expected to lose here but if Wighty hadn't gotten that last RP up...I might've gone with Sticky on this one. I liked the RP he offered and felt it was arguably on par with what Wighty had done previously. It was just a matter of both men had fairly comparable quality material, Wighty just had more.

Any advice I had for Sticky...has already been said. Likely in a better way than what I could muster. And, it looks like he's taking it into account. So kudos.

The Doctor and Wighty...I know I'm going to be controversial here but the Doctor hasn't won me completely over yet. Or, rather I don't believe I'm as big of a fan of the character as some others are. I partially blame that on one defining trait.

Kursur is likely to me what hide is to the Boy.

As in, of all the characters that were present when I first stuck my head into NGIW and took a look around, he was one of the ones I instantly gravitated towards. He was of two that I was a big fan for, and that I remained a big fan for up until his departure. Partially because I liked the way Boy wrote him, partially because I liked his stories.

Now, this isn't the first time I've read RPs that had a Plague Doctor not named Kursur in them, in fact, the other two instances were written by Wighty too. And, I enjoyed them. So, I know it's not a matter of Wighty's writing plus the character archetype not meshing for me.

But the Doctor...Hm. The reason I brought up hide and The Boy is because The Doctor is very much like if someone walked in with a legacy character of hide Kitazawa & how I imagine Boy would react. They'd have hefty shoes to fill.

The puppet show a few shows back was a step in the right direction, but overall I've found myself saying after Doctor RPs "That was well written, but it lacked a spark to it". The type of spark Kursur had, the type of spark other characters of Wighty's have had in their writing. Even ULTRA.

All I can really suggest is to keep experimenting. Maybe more outside the box type stuff like the puppet show.




The Flycore was a hard one to call. I liked the RP Hayden produced for the match. I liked that it expanded upon Seto's character and gave him some background outside of wrestling. However the Scott Knight/Mistress piece continued the trend their handler has had of being consistently solid throughout their run here. In the end, I left it more up to the other judges to decide and while they too thought it was a tough call, they sided with Knight.

Hayden, love your work, like your characters, but I feel maybe the best thing for you would be to maybe lighten your load a little. Maybe put one of your characters up on the shelf, at least for the time being. Because it's hard for your characters to maintain a direction or momentum, I feel. And, I feel like that makes your RPs suffer.

To our new Flycore Champion, keep up the good work. My only real suggestion would be to start expanding upon Knight's and Mistress' characters a little more. We've seen bits and pieces of them by how they react and talk of their opposition. But maybe a little more to set up defining traits of both of them, so that people are able to define them more easily and less that Knight is a proverbial tool for her.

Not that he isn't, in a sense.




I was disappointed. Both for myself and for the parties involved. If Hayden's RP had made it in under the deadline, this would've been a match. As it was, Free was the clear winner.

Initially, if I'm being blunt, I wasn't sold on Scott Free when Triad introduced the character to NGIW. It felt like Brian Mauler 2.0 and while I enjoyed Mauler, I didn't see the point entirely. That's changed since coming back and taking over the fed. In my time away I feel like he's found a voice for Scott Free's that is the character's alone. And, because of that he's managed to produce some solid RPs. Keep up the good work.

My advice for you, Hayden, remains the same. I love Dream, I love what you're doing with him. But consistency is what kills you, man. You're better than this.




The Midway was a toughie too. Everyone did great, though there was the matter of T's last RP. Which was little more than a few sentences prior to the deadline, and a full RP afterwards. While I don't think you intentionally did that, be careful with that, please, dude. It looks questionable and could cause problems in the future.

While everyone thought T did solid, that last RP was a bit of a red flag and question mark for everyone. And, it was a toss-up with the other two. Mike was on point and Lita was Lita, honestly, any of the three of you could've won the match. However the staff felt Lita just barely edged it out and didn't want to necessarily punish Harrison for being so close.

Going forward, T knows the score. Mike, keep doing what you're doing, man and keep using the advice we've given you. I'm enjoying the character and feel he can go far. And, Lita...don't really feel like I need to say much. Only thing I'd be curious to see is April get more mad and more blood feudy with somebody.




Hm. Going to be honest, this one was an odd one to call.

I liked what Boy did with Intensity, as I tend to. It was all good stuff but ultimately I felt like it was missing something. It was lacking a little something something for a big feud match. Though I realize Intensity and McGrath have butted heads alot lately.

But Bloodbath, man. McGrath is at his best, for me, when he's channeling heel Terry Funk and being the pettiest of petty jerks that ever existed. I loved the RP, liked the overall bombastic feel of it. And, I like that the character bounces between mountain man and so easily victimizing himself literally over every single thing that's ever happened to him in NGIW.

But I guess I was the only one.

Because everyone else clearly favored Intensity and commented that they felt Bloodbath was weaker than usual. And, boy, was that awkward to get from everyone. So in spite of my gut, I went with what everyone else was saying, feeling perhaps I was off on the mark on this one.

I don't really know what to say in terms of advice, because this was such a weird match for me. I felt Intensity was lacking this round, though nothing really major. Just nothing really grabbed me this time. Whereas I enjoyed Bloodbath and hope to see more.




King of Hell.

I know this decision might not have been the most popular but I have my reasons.

So. I really liked what Dai did with hide.

So. I really liked what Will did with Erik too.

As one of our judges said, Dai went outside the box with his RPs this time around and it's something I applaud. I wish and hope for more of this from Dai and from others. The raptor bit was inspired, especially if was meant to be interpreted the way I did and I mentioned to one of our confused judges. The follow-up was good too, different, and it made the whole no talking thing work. I would've liked a more definitive resolution but that's me being impatient I realize with time to reflect and I liked that Dai worked with everything I gave him without me saying anything.

Like the judge said, I feel such efforts shouldn't be punished.

Thing is, I really liked Will's RP too. The setup was more traditional, though the visuals were a little different than your standard affair and I really enjoyed it. I honestly think it might've been one of the best pieces Will's written of what I've read of his. It proved to me I made the right call in giving him the chance with Erik and the title. That was an RP worthy of a top champion.

Problem though, it came in pretty late into the game. Something the judges commented on. Something I didn't necessarily want to reward.

But I didn't want to punish that effort either.

With in mind that I had considered another hide/Erik match for Hellraise, I went with the finish I went with for it. It rewarded both men, in a sense, and it flowed so nicely with hide's story at that venue. Yet again, he had his match won, and still he was denied victory.

Only thing I'd suggest to Will is to be more timely. You're a good writer, everyone here knows it, and usually you've been good about getting your RPs in. Just a matter of making sure you do and I don't see why Erik, King of Hell or not, won't continue to succeed in NGIW.

Onwards and upwards.
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