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Jet's Black Nuzlocke OA; A Pokemon Black Comic Run: Monthly Updates!
Topic Started: Jun 28 2011, 06:20 AM (74,548 Views)
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reposting this update so you dont have to go looking for it on the previous page, but there are some awesome comments back there so i encourage you to check those out after you read the update if thats something you're into!


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Yeah, I think game!N is older than a lot of us assumed him to be. I remember reading somewhere that he's in his early 20s and being shocked.
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Yeah, I know he's visually older then Ash and his friends in the anime at the very least. More of a man-child then just a straight up child, but somehow that doesnt appeal to me as much XD
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Oh, the twenties are still absolutely childhood for changing-the-world-into-an-utopia ideas.

Lady, you're missing Pokémon games and you still refuse to open up a Patreon or a donation box? I find that offensive.
Seriously though, I never really think about it, but seeing as my own comic is very Pokéreference-heavy, it's a big shame to have readers who can't enjoy all of it. And well, Pokémon games are super fun in general, all of them.
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YO I finally read the newest update and HOT DANG, THAT WAS GREAT. Where do I start?? I love the funny beginning. Love how Juniper pointed out how young N is. Of course, every young adult would probably take offense to that xD you can argue young does not equal incompetent! I love how Jet's pokemon pretty much answered for her. Jet don't cry ;;w;; And great ending scene. Shows what a threat N is.

GOSH I'M JUST FANGIRLING HERE Thank you for this update I'll be here sitting until you grace us with more ;w;
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Episode 54 is out!
Let's talk about our feeeeeelings!

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Huh...Firedog seems extra mopey this update. Then again, it seems to be a mopey time for everybody, so I might just be imagining it.
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Last updated 2/11/18 with Entry 19! In which we win a little TOO well.
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Juniper's being super cool in this update! I like seeing this more serious side to her. You draw her really well, too. And that Audino was super cute!

Good to turn the lens back to the pokemon. I like seeing them and hearing what they have to say. July's coming into her own! I do wish the poor Basculin (can't even remember the name atm, ugh) had a little more personality other than "chilling in a bowl." I wanna know their opinion!
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Episode 55 posted

No update in November as usual, but I'll still be streaming on Twitch every Saturday (except for the 18th) so if you wanna hang out, ask questions, chat, here's the link: Twitch

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Let's do a Q&A!

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Everyone gets to do a Q&A with their pokemon and stuff, so I wanna do one too! Since there wont be an episode in November I'm wondering if we could make one happen? From now until the end of November, If you have any questions for me or any character in this nuzlocke, dead or alive, feel free to send me a pm with the subject Q&A

Oh. Oh, you poor, poor bastard. When taking the last breath before drowning to death in the PMs, just remember, you have only yourself to blame for this. You poor bastard you.


Anyway, eworm is back and oh gee, two pages worth of essaying, so let me get right to it.

Is the Extravaganza here yet? Because we already have the winner in the Best Supporting Character category, so might as well get the formality over with. Seriously, this Juniper of yours is reaching perfection with every update and with every update keeps getting better. These two statements can't be true at once, of course, yet they are. Bad Jet! Stop breaking logic! No treats for you!

"You can't fix the world's mistakes out of guilt over your own". Dayum, put that on a fortune cookie. And the promptly announce that fortune cookies are no longer synonymous with cheap pseudo-advice, 'cause this one's solid. And it makes me think about how Jet and N very nearly became the exact same through being the exact opposite. N never got to experience the harshness of trainer choices for himself, never got to truly be the part of this world, only being shown and told about some of the results, the bad ones. And because he doesn't get it, he wants to change it. Meanwhile, Jet almost joined him in the same goal from the exact opposite side - she committed the mistakes, made the bad choices and - as Juniper points out in this scene - forgot about the other side, about the positive elements of being a trainer, of living with Pokémon. Overthinking as usual, but it's truly incredible how similar, yet different N and Jet can be in so many ways. Now if only N had his own Juniper (*coughLil'Dogcough*), maybe things would be different.

Or if Jet had her own Ghetsis. Oo, that would be interesting... Though I suppose N has become that in the Chargestone Cave... Wow, somebody needs to make him realize that.

Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, gushing. And of course no gush sesh is complete without mentioning Bianca the gush geyser. Gushzer. Pouty Bianca was great, yet among the rightful outburst she didn't mention the hiker thing and I'm not letting it go, she has clearly repressed it deeply and it can't be healthy in the long run, she didn't even touch her drink (that she didn't have until that Audino took it from her), that girl needs help before it's too late. This is what happens when you remove the overprotective dad, you monster.

Is that a heart on that Audino's nurse cap, oh my God, that's the cutest gosh darn thing. Unlike that terrifying Swanna, what happened to that poor thing, N was right all along.


Let me point out that RedEye's Ability is clearly Heatproof, otherwise Sir Francis would have long boiled him alive with his flaming scarf beard.

I like Jet still having her doubts. It would have been all too easy to make N doubt her, then Juniper clear those doubts away and bam, character development over. Instead both sides gave her some food for thought and she has to digest it on her own. And the digestion process is complex and takes time. I could take this metaphor further, but I'm gonna stop before I start describing Jet's eventual maturity as actual poop, oops, too late.

The Pokémon also get some more screentime and I like the hint at an awesome July vs Skyla fight. Hope she knows some Rock moves by this point or this Swanna might be a problem. Please don't make it that bizarre Swanna from the Center, this would undermine the epic Gym fight so bad, but you've already set a precedence with Clay's Palpitoad, oh no, you're totally gonna do this, aren't you, N was right all along.

Major cares not for your emotional turmoils, just keep that hat on and it's all good. He's gonna just casually wreck Ghetsis in the climax, isn't he.

And then wondering about what to do with her being a trainer doubts, Jet suddenly thinks of Cheren. That's a nice touch - here's a guy who most definitely has no doubts about that - and that's what his weakness is, his blind dedication to the otherwise good goal. Wait, is that guy also N's mirror image? They're both convinced they're doing the right thing and rush to their respective end goals with reckless abandon, even though they desire severely contrasting things... Stop making every character reflect N in some way! What's next, is Bianca gonna have like a dad who wants her to live a sheltered life or... some... thing...
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The panel right after Jet is challenged by Random Trainer has Major disappear for a sec, only to reappear immediately after. You even make sure to put in little mistakes like this to avoid alienating your readers with your perfection, how perfect of you.

The conclusion Jet reaches (perhaps temporarily but still) about battling only other trainers and not wild Pokémon seems like both a good compromise and a possible "make it harder" additional Nuzlocke rule. It actually makes me wonder if you did that for a while around that point in the game, perhaps worrying about being overleveled or something. But probably I'm reading too much into it.

"Now we just gave to win", typo. And DripDrop's line I think was supposed to read "Sploosh", not "slpoosh". Again, how perfect of you.

Let me get this straight. Jet reaches the conclusion she's gonna be a responsible and wise trainer. Then she immediately gets into a fight against a Pokémon the Ground type Gym Leader used against her. Then she decides to use Electric attacks against it. Unless you're planning to compound even more guilt onto Jet in order to force her to ask for help from somebody more calculated, analytical and knowledgeable (and yes, I do mean she should train under Cheren and travel with him for a while, DO IT), then you really picked a wrong way to portray Zoie's apparent death. That one was 100% Jet's forgetfulness and carelessness and she has no excuse to make. I suspect this is what actually happened in the game (in which case what is wrong with you), but you not taking the artistic liberties by changing Palpitoad into something else has some actual story and character consequences and I just hope you realize this. Seriously though, Cheren.

Vomiting Woopers, is it Friday already, DripDrop?

Firedog's remark about how reasonable dropping out seems at this point highlights an interesting point - the lack of a goal to the journey. Technically Jet is aiming for the League, but she's hardly devoted to being the Champ like Cheren. She's mostly just trying to have fun - and with all that happened, continuing seems actually counter-productive to that vague aim. Even stopping Team Plasma is a) not something she's sure is right to do at this point and b) something Alder (among others) is already working on, she's hardly necessary. So without a defined purpose, it really doesn't feel like Jet should continue... Hm...

Also, I like Firedog referring to Sir Francis as "big guy", when he started with calling him "kid" or just "Tepig" way back then. They did not get along, now look at them all... tolerating each other... Yeah. Puts a tear in your eye, doesn't it.

Zoie's death explains how little development she's had (like Princess before her and the traded Minccino whose name escapes me), but I'm still waiting for RedEye to start growing into his own. A clone of Major's "absent and silent" thing is unnecessary and boring, especially when there's so much potential hilarity in that fish bowl. Again, propelling himself with skillful blasts of water, jumping out only to bite-and-run, I'm really fond of this cartoon-esque idea and even if you don't go with it, I just want the fish to get some personality or unique quirkiness. And then Skyla kills him and it becomes clear no new Pokémon is allowed to live
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So good to have you back eworm!

So so glad Juniper is well received, and your analysis of how similar Jet and N are is very interesting, especially when you bring up Cheren later, I didnt realize how much the characters were becoming reflections of each other. That thing about Bianca's dad made me spit my drink tho, YOU sir are the one blowing my mind here!

N kinda is playing the role of Ghetsis for Jet, which means Jet will probably become his Juniper by the end. If i do this right at least.

also, way to dump some heavy poop metaphors on us XD
I also dont remember who i beat skyla with, but it would make sense for july to get her chance to shine. still…*franticly digs around for notes*

Thanks for pointing out some mistakes. I went ahead and fixed them, because who needs to be relatable to your readers when you can be perfect! Tho i will point out the drink is Jet's, Bianca didnt have anything and the Audino was taking away just one glass, which was Jet's

I'm sure there were any number of ways I could portray Zoie's death, and certainly choosing to go by what happened in the game is laziness on my part, but Jet really isnt a good trainer, she's made it this far because she just happens to have really strong pokemon, but whenever she tries to be smart about something it usually backfires. Also in my defense, Lance the dragon master used a gyarados, and Cress used a lillipup, plus I have a bad memory, and I kinda assumed maybe palpitoad was just a water type that could learn ground moves. I never claimed to be a good trainer myself either. And Dont you worry about Cheren, Twist Mountain is coming up soon, which means Jet and Cheren are going to have some spelunking to do, during which they may meet up with a familiar face???

And yeah, you picked up everything I wanted you to about firedog's remarks. There really is no drive for Jet to keep going at this point, something I struggled with a LOT while writing these last few episodes, and my hope is that before Twist mountain Jet will have a new goal to strive towards. Still, I never understood why, of all the active adults in the Unova region, does the fate of the light stone fall to a young child who only just started training.

I've been getting a LOT of requests to further develop Redeye's character, so by golly I'm gonna try! I think already just from his expressions he's set himself apart from Major just a little bit, but you're right, there's so much more potential there!

As always, thanks for your thoughtful comments, they are very helpful and encouraging!
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So good to be back!

Fair enough points about the other specialists using mons from outside their type, but as far the glass goes, I'm still somewhat confused. I would have assumed the drink was Jet's, because we do see her glass in the panels before that one - but the glass the Audino takes away is full, while Jet's was already empty and the little puddle of drink left was a different color. I dunno, is it another little mistake, drawing the drink in the glass that should be empty, or did Jet order another drink to try a new flavor and then decided it tastes like a Palpitoad's Muddy Water? Either way it struck me as weird. Because I'm a weirdo like that.

As far as having a new goal for Jet goes, just have the Triad kidnap her mom or something. Though I guess that would only make sense after she's chosen to be the counterpart hero, Ghetsis could do this to try to make Jet surrender or something. Why, yes, Lil'Dog could indeed tail the kidnappers afterwards and eventually land in N's castle, I dunno why you would bring this up though, it's not like I myself am brainstorming on this idea every chance I get for reasons even I don't fully understand, it's not that good, honestly
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Oooooooh, haha, no that's just the red bowl the pokemon were eating out of showing through the glass. sorry that was confusing XD
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Oooooooh, haha, no that's just the red bowl the pokemon were eating out of showing through the glass.
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It was inevitable.
It was obvious.
It is finally here and it is glorious.

The Nuzlocke cinematic universe.
The first installment, "Slip of the Tongue: Pi&Pea's Jet-Black Story", is a must-see.
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Doing a Q&A for my characters this month, if you have a question for one of my characters send me a PM!
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I'm back! And just in time to miss Q&A month, awwwww ;w;

I feel bad for poor Jet, losing her pokemon like that, but Firedog has a point--despite her good heart, she's made some rookie mistakes like not recalling her Herdier and such. That said, I don't know if that's enough to paint her as incompetent.

And I just love your expressions as usual!
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heh heh, welcome back deeforty-five! sorry you missed the Q&A

I dunno if i should keep posting the Q&A answers here, so if anyone wants to see them check out my deviant art

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Definitely keep posting the Q&A pages here. God knows I'm following your dA account for the rest of my life, but those poor unfortunate souls (this is where we all start humming Disney) who aren't, you need to keep up to speed. Also because you need to keep bumping this thread up during the Extravaganza nominating time - we're taking gold this year, remember?




Also, going back to something in your previous comment:
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Still, I never understood why, of all the active adults in the Unova region, does the fate of the light stone fall to a young child who only just started training.

I actually do have a headcanon about this one. Remember how in the games the protagonist chases Team Plasma with Burgh and Lenora into the Pinwheel Forest while Cheren and Bianca stay behind in the Nacrene Museum to guard the remaining stuff? The same Museum Zekrom/Reshiram is in, in the form of a Dark/Light Stone? I like to think that the dragon overhears Bianca and Cheren talking about the protagonist (assessing from their conversation that they're talented and ambitious, unlike Bianca, yet have empathy and restraint, unlike Cheren) and then decides to make this person the new hero. Because I love the idea of these two indirectly choosing the new Hero like this.

Just FYI. Like with all my other ideas, I'm not forcing you to put it in your comic, but hey, you expressed confusion about a plot point in a Pokémon game and I'm a deep well of headcanons, so here you go. A possible Watsonian explanation.

The Doylist one would be that the protagonist of a game needs to have stuff to do, I guess, but why would we be satisfied with just that.
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