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About the 'Dupes Clause'
Topic Started: Aug 25 2011, 06:55 PM (5,456 Views)
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To me, the whole "dupes" thing pretty much disregards one of the two original rules completely, so I rarely use it.
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Eh, my opinion on the Dupes Clause varies after my Red run. It depends on the game.

You see, the Nuzlocke challenge is supposed to breed odd teams. However, in some games, such as Red, the Dupes clause makes pretty much the same team all the time, and guarentees certain captures, because Pidgey and Rattata lins are EVERYWHERE.

I usually use a dupes clause which allows me to skip evolution lines. However, I can pick up a dupe if I want. It's also nulled if the old capture is dead.

However, on games such as Red, and possibly G/S/C, I'll not use a Dupes Clause. Although later games tend to be better about pokemon placement, with the exception of the Zigzagoon, Poochyena, and Bidoof lines.

Hell, in B/W, you don't even NEED a dupes clause... all you'll be preventing is Audino and Pidove most the time, and also increaseing the odds you get Purrloin on Route 2.
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Well, if that's how you want to play.
I use the dupes clause, although I might try not using it once to see how it goes. I prefer having a diverse team and I would feel silly raising a team of Poochyena. I go by the Dex - if the Dex says I have it, I'm not getting it. Doesn't matter if that teammate is already dead.
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I use the dupes clause a little differently. If I catch a Pokemon, its there for life. What I mean is, even if the Pokemon dies, I can't ever catch any of its evolutions or its base form. Although this means I won't end up with a team of Rattata, it also means that if I lose a bro, I can't just go and say "OH, my old one died, welcome aboard new bro!" It creates diversity as well as punishes me for being careless.

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Personally, I don't use the No Dupes clause. Getting a second or a third opportunity to catch a Pokemon I don't have seems like cheating to me, as though I was bending the rules to have a better chance at catching good team members. Having the misfortune to run into a Dupe as my first Pokemon adds an extra level of frustration. It forces me to suck it up and train the team I already have harder to make up for it. Plus, as Shirolnu said, there are going to be areas where you're not going to run into Dupes, and if I end up with a bunch of Pidgey and Rattata, I'll at least have these areas to look forward to.

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Aug 30 2011, 12:55 PM
I use the dupes clause, although I might try not using it once to see how it goes. I prefer having a diverse team and I would feel silly raising a team of Poochyena. I go by the Dex - if the Dex says I have it, I'm not getting it. Doesn't matter if that teammate is already dead.
I do it this way too. I've tried to not use dupes clause but it can get annoying fast, especially on Emerald. And its worse considering I force myself not to box Pokemon, so I could have been caught with a team of mainly Poochyena (though IIRC I have seen only dupe in the whole run, where I caught Lotad).
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Aug 30 2011, 01:22 PM
I use the dupes clause a little differently. If I catch a Pokemon, its there for life. What I mean is, even if the Pokemon dies, I can't ever catch any of its evolutions or its base form. Although this means I won't end up with a team of Rattata, it also means that if I lose a bro, I can't just go and say "OH, my old one died, welcome aboard new bro!" It creates diversity as well as punishes me for being careless.

Heh, never thought about it that way. If I applied that portion of "No duplicates" into my run then I wouldn't have another of the Bidoof or Starly families anymore. Which I approve anyway since I was fairly careless with both of those deaths.
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Aug 30 2011, 05:22 PM
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I use the dupes clause a little differently. If I catch a Pokemon, its there for life. What I mean is, even if the Pokemon dies, I can't ever catch any of its evolutions or its base form. Although this means I won't end up with a team of Rattata, it also means that if I lose a bro, I can't just go and say "OH, my old one died, welcome aboard new bro!" It creates diversity as well as punishes me for being careless.

Heh, never thought about it that way. If I applied that portion of "No duplicates" into my run then I wouldn't have another of the Bidoof or Starly families anymore. Which I approve anyway since I was fairly careless with both of those deaths.
It works for me especially because I tend to use Com Mons like Pidgey and Zubat more than anything else. So if one dies, I have to use something new to me. My typical team has the Starter, Zubat, Com Mon rodent, Derp water, Derp fire/grass, and Derp electric.
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I've been using the Dupes Clause. However, I have not used the 'Evolution Line' Addition. But it has been bugging me, wondering whether the clause applies only to living Pokémon, or if it goes by what's listed as caught in the PokéDex.
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Hayfever counts as a grass weakness, right?
I used a variant in my first run, in which, as long as I don't engage against the wild Pokémon of which I already have something within its evolutionary line, I can try again with the next one. This means I can't attack any if I want the catch, and, if I can't run, I'm locked into the fight, and can never run from any future battles in that area. I actively avoided keeping my fastest mons in the front when I entered a new route (in favour of levelling up weaker teammates, regardless of speed), and use of the Smoke Ball was prohibited. I called it 'Poké Gear Solid', as, so long as I could sneak past the dupe without being detected, I could try the next encounter.

These days, however, I don't use the Dupes Clause. That method was there to ease me into the concept, and little more.
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I used the dupes clause on my first Nuzlocke of Platinum (which got very bloody very quickly but the upside was that I got to use some Pokemon I hadn't used before) but on my Black Nuzlocke I just caught the first thing I caught on each route and only ended up with two Lillipups and one of everything else.

One question for those who exclude the whole evolutionary line what do you do when it's a Pokemon like Gloom that has a split evolutionary line do you exclude them both or just one of them?
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I've generally been using dupe clause based on whether I've caught it before. If the Pokeball symbol is there, no catch. In my current run it hasn't come up except as a way to cheese my way to a Milotic, and in the run before that all it allowed me to do was evolve my Mantyke (which otherwise basically wouldn't have been possible). If I'm paying attention and can be consistent about it, I prefer to use rules preventing me from endlessly farming areas (such as forfeiting capture rights after the first four encounters). I may try going without it at some point.
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I use the dupes clause. I didn't in my first run, but started using it in my Leaf Green. I mainly like it because it makes every Pokemon you have be unique.
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Aug 26 2011, 03:13 AM
NO FUCKING DUPES CLAUSE, cause 5 Zigzagoons is BOSS as you get a rare candy every 3 minutes and basically do not need to visit the mart for like ever.


Jokes aside, dupes clause is just another "make it easier" thing people came up with, and Nuzlocke himself did catch dupes if I'm not mistaken.
Nuzlocke DID use dupes clause, though, at least in FireRed. So your argument is bunk.


I use dupes clause, because I like the ability to occasionally get rarer 'mons. I probably should start limiting the additional encounters it grants... an almost guaranteed absol is kinda dumb.
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A LOT depends on the region. Kanto is horrible without dupes, you could end up with 80% of your captures being repeats. Hoenn, meanwhile, has minimal dupes outside of water routes.

Part of the point of the challenge is to force team diversity, make you use things you've never used before. Dupes clause helps that, which is why I use it.
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I use the dupes clause, but I go by the number of the pokemon in the pokedex. Like lets say I catch a spearow, if it dies, I cannot catch another spearow, but I can catch a fearow if I'm lucky enough to run across one because in my opinion spearow is not the same pokemon as fearow. In my current run, what I do is catch the first unique pokemon I see in an area. After I finish this run, I'm going to change the rules though. Might eliminate the clause or might change it a bit, not sure. Currently, I have no limit to how many encounters it takes to get a unique pokemon in an area, and I think I'll have to enstate one in the future, but I really don't want to change the rules mid run like I am right now.
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Cheerful & Bright > Edgy & Gloomy

For me the first catch is the first catch, no matter a repeat or not. Sure, it might get you a lot of the same Pokemon, but hey! Now you can choose which one to go with - after all an Adamant (Atk>SpA) Guts Rattata outshines a Modest (SpA>Atk) Run Away one, right?

Though I gotta say - I was Nuzlocking Fire Red (NOW A FRESH 4-PANEL COMEDY COMIC YAY!) and I actually had to cheat to get to Sevii Islands and Mewtwo post-league. You can't get to Mewtwo until you deal with the Seviis. You can't deal with the Seviis until you have a National Dex and you can't get it until you've captured a specific number of Pokemon. So I had to do a few capture-releases to be able to complete the game.
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Can't catch it if it's in the 'dex, is my rule. It limits options re: multiple evos, but when you do a run you have to pick how you're going to be restricting your options anyway. Sure, you can lawyer your way into a rare and strong mon, but that doesn't ensure your victory. You still have to work for it.
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I don't catch dupes or a Pokemon from the same evo line, but I don't follow dupes clause either. If a teammate dies I would rather try something different than to use the same Pokemon again.
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I give myself the choice to skip the duplicate or to catch it if it has the Pokeball sign next to it and that the Pokemon of that species which I already have is alive. (Though I never got any dupes before in my runs, except for my old undocumented Black run.)
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