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| ChiharuSato22 | May 25 2010, 07:31 PM Post #166 |
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@Twirble: ;A; that sucks -hugs- Uuuuu On the topic of the title of this thread... Today, my friend said that she saw a gay couple making out last year at her school This is silly, I guess. But... I-it just made me realize how heavy the weight of anti-gay Christians really is - just how much hatred there is there. I don't know, it just... saddens me. It hurt so much and I don't even know why-- I mean, I understand the lack of acceptance. It is hard to accept, I know but... the total lack of tolerance even. She talked like they made themselves that way and aslkgdjalkds I don't know, as her friend, I didn't want to say anything more. I made it evident that I was extremely offended but-- I didn't do anything more. I didn't say anything, really. I'm sort of disgusted at myself for not saying anything really but... I-I don't know. Also... she justified it afterward by saying that "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". The way she said it... I don't know, I felt like throwing up after hearing that - that sort of justification... -groans- I don't even know what I'm trying to say but... I don't know. I haven't felt this hurt in a long, long time. |
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| rinjiixrocket | May 25 2010, 11:25 PM Post #167 |
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@chi - but seriously? don't do that. xD i joke. the sad thing is that it IS reality, and there's not a lot anyone can do about it. it's a real shame too. i think it's really sad, but i feel more sorry for the people who are so against it. i feel like they're being close-minded about love. people need to see that individuals aren't defined by their sexual orientation. they just don't want to. and honestly, as a christian, i think if it were soooo horrible to be gay, homosexuality wouldn't exist. i just don't see it as anything bad. in HAPPY gay news.... my friend and his friend it was cute in a very peculiar way. lol. but i support their inebriated relationship. xD |
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| ChiharuSato22 | May 26 2010, 04:00 PM Post #168 |
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Yoite!Penis is mine kthnx. (Kiwi dared me hurr...)
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@Tokyo: FFFFFFFFFF Close-mindedness leads to so many horrible things... -sobs- I agree. Hating someone for that... YOU MIGHT AS WELL HATE SOMEONE FOR BEING A GIRL. OR BEING A BOY. OR SLDKGJLSKDG Ahahah What exactly happened? xDD;; Their relationship is how...? |
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| Kirvee | May 26 2010, 09:12 PM Post #169 |
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@Chi: *punches your friend* You should've spoken up. Nothing gets done or changed if people don't speak up. But your friend is really twisted to have THAT intolerant of a view. Almost reminds me of my mom. Also, that reasoning, I HATE that reasoning as much as I hate the reasoning "Because it's in the Bible and its word is Law." I used to have this small collection of (poorly drawn) mini-Christian comic books and one of them involved homosexuality and had that reasoning. I didn't become disgusted at it and the rest of those comics (really, reflecting ont hem now, they had the most extreme Christian views ever in them) until I finally woke up to reality about religion and everything else. And in counter to your friend, I saw these two guys being cuddly/gay/affectionate with each other at States for choir (they were from a school in Novi apparently) and all I thought was "Awww, how cute <3." @Tokyo: My thoughts exactly! People seem to forget that the whoooooole concept of God (the way JESUS taught it) is that he loves EVERYONE and does not punish his children until they are before him when their journey in their present life is done. So the idea that homosexuality is a punishment is wrong and a poorly founded idea. Even more stupid is that most Christians seem to believe that AIDS is the real punishment for being gay when it has been scientifically and medically proven that one does not have to be gay to get AIDS (since there are just as many straight people who never had homosexual relations afflicted with it). |
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| rinjiixrocket | May 26 2010, 10:33 PM Post #170 |
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@chi - xD i agree, though. closed minds are ewwwww. and i don't know. i was reallyyyyy drunk. they're still "just friends." xD @tokyo - and even if you AREN'T christian, Jesus taught us to LOVE, not to discriminate against it. even if you don't believe in the claim as to who he was/is, he WAS a real person (which has been proven) on a mission to spread love throughout the world. and it's so disappointing that so many christians can't grasp that! and that's a terribly idiotic idea. =____= there are plenty of people who have AIDs who never had a same sex relationship. if people are that stupid, maybe humanity needs to be cleaned up a bit. any takers? xD |
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| Kirvee | May 31 2010, 06:27 AM Post #171 |
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@Tokyo: Of course humanity needs to be cleaned out. The disease known as stupidity has spread to even our world leaders. If that doesn't say we're fucked, I don't know what does. |
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| rinjiixrocket | Jun 1 2010, 04:01 PM Post #172 |
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@kirvee - i don't even want to enter the topic of our world leaders. i could hate all day. lol |
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| ChiharuSato22 | Jun 1 2010, 10:32 PM Post #173 |
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@Kirvee: ;A; I never know what to say when she says that. Even if I was to say something, what would I say? I could go on all day about the things you guys have said because, honestly, I agree but... but it's just that... You know, the thing is, it's so hard for me to argue this. It's about 400:1, should I even bother trying to argue my points. To them, this issue hardly matters. To me, it's very important. So, I guess, if I was to make a fuss about it, it would be "unnecessary trouble" for them. And, the sad thing is, I understand that. I know that, knowing them, they'll never be truly involved in these sorts of matters so it's hardly important to them as it is to me. @Tokyo: World leaders = Leading the world to Close-mindedness is never a good thing. People had Jesus crucified they were too close-minded to realize that he was actually the Messiah. |
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| rinjiixrocket | Jun 2 2010, 02:19 AM Post #174 |
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@chi - word. -___- but "normal" people aren't helping the situation with their ridiculous antics and opinions. |
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| ChiharuSato22 | Jun 2 2010, 10:16 PM Post #175 |
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@Tokyo: I know OTL;; -sobs- |
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| Couryielle | Jun 8 2010, 12:14 PM Post #176 |
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*hugs everyone* i finally first of all, the bible sucks. it's a handbook written by homophobes for homophobes. no offense meant. i'm still legally a christian, but maybe it's just because i've been baptized when i was just a few months old. i stopped going to church when i realized how screwed up religion really is, and my folks have gotten tired of trying to make me go again. second, those ignorant close-minded people mentioned above have really got problems. Just what is so wrong with falling in love? i haven't read anything in the bible saying "though must not fall in love with a person in a way that does not conform to standards..." sadly, my family members are with those people. i love them all, but.... sheesh. i can't even openly express my love of BL inside the house 'coz i'm probably gonna get disowned. My auntie and grandma would always tell me how "repulsively disgusting Ciel and Sebastian are because they're gay..." or "Maria should burn in hell because she's a witch..." or "Cross Academy is damned because of the vampires..." or "[insert singer's name] has a beautiful voice, but it's so sad that she's gonna burn in hell coz she's a lesbian" Damn. when you speak about gay rights here, everybody's eyes are gonna roll up. then they're gonna go through all that bible bullshit and say that it's not too late yet for gays and lesbians to turn back to God. those horrid bastards who did those abominable things to Clay and Harold SHOULD be the ones who will burn in hell, not those two senile men who wanted nothing more than to blissfully spend the remains of their lives together. they're treating gays and lesbians as if they weren't humans! well, guess what, gays and lesbians are as much the same as every human being. they think, they breathe, they feel, they love. isn't that enough? i'm getting sick of all these people. i mean, just recently, the Middle East put a working ban on gays and lesbians and my folks were all okay with it. what's up with that? one of my close friends is a bi, though he's more into men than women. it breaks my heart to watch him struggle with the ridicule everyone throws at him just because he has a crush on another male classmate. he even told me to stop encouraging him to continue being as he is because it's all pointless and he's never gonna be formally accepted by society anyway unless he falls in love with a girl. now he's doing everything he can to appear manly because "gays really have no place in society. no matter how 'accepted' we may appear, we still just won't fit in". i really wanna help him accept and be happy with what he is but i just don't know how to and... DAMN IT ALL!! *cries* sorry. it's 2am here and i have lots of bottled up emotions that have no outlet until i found this forum. *hugs everyone again* |
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| Kirvee | Jun 9 2010, 04:59 AM Post #177 |
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@Cou: Judging by that, you're probably in Israel? Since I doubt Iran and Iraq would let practicing Christians into their countries to live. But yeah, I basically agree with everything you said. And I feel sorry for your friend :-(... Hopefully someday the whole world will remember what love really is... |
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| Couryielle | Jun 9 2010, 01:29 PM Post #178 |
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@Kirvee: actually, i'm from the Philippines, w/c is proud to be the only Christian country in south-east asia. i have this other full-blown gay classmate who doesn't hide what he really is except at home. people praise him for being true to what he is, but i've heard some people say how much his gay ways disgust them behind his back. that is just so wrong. :angry: our word for homosexuals denote a lot of stereotypes, including ugly, unsightly, disgusting, unfitting, cowardly, scandalous, and other stuff like that. everyone seems to have forgotten that the only basis for homosexuality is love for a person of the same sex and nothing more. btw, i can't get my mom to buy me cargo shorts, even though my dad and two brothers have lots :'( also, i envy your one-day periods. after my first, it didn't come back for 10 months and i thought it was gone for good. when it came back, i'd forgotten how to handle it and made bloody messes for a week. menstruation sucks. >:I |
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| Kirvee | Jun 10 2010, 02:10 AM Post #179 |
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@Cou: =O Steal some of your brother's shorts? My period is regular now, actually. Although it seems to be on a cusp schedule now. Cuz it'll start on the last day or two of the month I hadn't had it yet, then go into the first few days of the next month and not come back til the end of that month/beginning of the next. And aw to everything else you said ;-;. |
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| ChiharuSato22 | Jun 20 2010, 01:45 AM Post #180 |
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@Cour: -hugs you- Ah, it's not religion that's messed up, it's the people who don't know what they're actually meant to be preaching. You read through the whole thread, right? Then you know exactly what I mean. But, yes, it's things like these and people like those who make me feel ashamed to be a Christian, at times. But then I remember what I'm actually believing in. It saddens me that Christianity has turned into such a warped, disgusting thing where you live. Sebastian and Ciel aren't technically gay because it's not actually stated that they are. Rule of thumb for manga: If they don't actually say it in canon, it doesn't count. Sadly. Ah, tell your bisexual friend that being "manly" doesn't change his sexual preference and that it's something he should be proud of. If you can truly fall in love with someone, that's something you should never be ashamed of. So few people ever find true love. If you can ever love someone with your entire heart, no matter who they are, I believe that there's nothing more wonderful than that. No greater gift. I'm proud of you taking a stand though. But don't hate them, you know? 'Cause then you're sinking to their level. It is so much easier to hate them and so much harder to love them. And, as far as those people who talk behind his back go, there will always be people like that. But, you know what, their words are worthless. They may appear to support him in front of him and speak poorly about him behind his back because they're afraid of him. They're cowards and are only seeking to please whoever is immediately in front of them. That's the most worthless thing someone can do. They're only demeaning themselves and their credibility. I think that homosexuals who can openly say, yes, I do prefer my own gender are the least cowardly people because it takes so much to, firstly, accept that, yes, they are that way and then, secondly, be unafraid of admitting it to someone other than themselves because, as you know, there is so much hatred and so much discrimination that it's disgusting. And as far as ugly goes? No. Way. The most beautiful person is the one that can admit that they have flaws and accept them. It's the inner beauty. So, I trust, they're being shallow and not thinking of who the person really is. You're right. Homosexuals are people, no more, no less. And they should be treated as such. I think people forget this all the time, especially the strictly religious. It's never been "treat others as you think they deserve to be treated". No, it's always been "treat others as you wish to be treated". It's hypocritical and ridiculous that the strictly religious should forget something as simple as that. I find this entire "being anti-gay is a part of being a Christian" mentally stupid. Honestly. There is so much more in the Bible talking about loving all and loving God and just love than there is talking about homosexuality. In fact, I think that there are only about three verses that only vaguely mention homosexuality. Only one that even uses the term. What are people getting so riled up about? Honestly? Shouldn't people be more upset about the lack of love? I mean, just look at the Bible; read it cover to cover. There are full chapters on love. It mentions love everywhere you read so how can Christians so easily skim over that? Love's not important? No, it's the emphasis of the Bible and the basis of Christianity. Oh, and as far as homosexuality being a sin, please refer to ZaCloud's posts. They'd do better in explaining what I'd only be repeating. -sighs- People are ridiculous, honestly. So judgmental... When will they ever realize that it hurts? Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, I'm attending a Christian school right now. I've talked with friends about the subject and, thankfully, they've listened. And we've had proper discussions on the issue. They agree that the discrimination is absolutely terrible. Not all Christians are cruel like that, I'm proud to say. But, yes, I know what you mean by not being able to mention the issue. I feel terrible not being able to talk about it at school without looking around to make sure no one's looking or listening. It feels terrible knowing that, hey, I can get expelled for loving the people that God created. Hum. If I think about it honestly, I can't consider myself entirely heterosexual. I'd much rather be considered pansexual, I think. Oh and, like Kirvee said, just steal your brother's cargo pants then? xDD;; @Kirvee: ;A; Mine just finished. |
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