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About Gay Rights. PLEASE READ THIS EVERYBODY!; Sonoma County, CA officials separated an
Topic Started: Apr 19 2010, 01:45 AM (2,599 Views)
Kirvee
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@Chi: I concur to that entire book you just wrote, XD.

I'm also surprised that not a lot of Christians have woken up to reality about the Bible. It is NOT a perfect book. If such a book has been used three times throughout history to condemn whole groups of people (colored people, women and gays) to horrible showings of discrimination and hate, how can one deign to call such a monstrous device "holy"?

I'm starting to think that the current Bible we all know is quickly growing outdated to such an extent that a newer, less corrupted version must be written as a handbook for Christians. But even today's philosophers (a.k.a what the writers of the Bible were) are rejected from Christian belief because most people think the Bible is so perfect that other modern-day prophets are false.

Seems to me that a religion with such a promising start has grown today to become a hypocritical mass of discrimination. *hugs her Metaphysics*
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ChiharuSato22
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@Kirvee: -is embarrassed about writing so much- OTL;; BUT IT NEEDED TO BE SAID.

I think, right now, that it's less the book's issue - rather all the mistranslations that we've been using. There's so much difference between the two languages that... Well, let's put it this way: Some Christians cling to every single word in the English Bible, sometimes even forgetting that it wasn't written in English. I think Za's said this already but, honestly, that's what drives me nuts. It's just like "HEY, DON'T GO READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAYS!"

Also, the reality is that we don't have the original version of most of these scripts. They were copied by scribes over the years, word for word, letter for letter. The scribes were human too so, naturally, they made mistakes. One letter changes a word and a word changes a sentence and so on. So, even if we look at it in the original language, we have to remember that what's written can't be entirely accurate.

-sighs- The reason homosexuality is so controversial is because it's barely even mentioned in the Bible. In fact, I don't even think it's properly referred to. It juts seems to jump around about it and just hint at it. It seems more like people automatically assumed that, "HEY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GAY PEOPLE". -grumbles unhappily-

But I guess that's just me.

-hugs you-
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Kirvee
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@Chi: *hugs*

Exactly, and because there's no longer even a proper way to look back and check the current translations, all the more reason a new Bible should be made.

The original wasn't even complete thanks to Roman censorship (see: The Book of Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls).
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ChiharuSato22
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@Kirvee: ;u; I think making a new Bible might just cost more confusion. The easiest thing to do is to take from the original and main message because, really, all the other rules and things in the Bible stem from it, right? Love God. If you love God, you will love all of his creations and all of man. If you love all of his creations and all of man, you will want to protect them. If you want to protect them, you will not want to murder them, hurt them, lie to them, or scorn them, etc. It's all basic logic. Being anti-gay doesn't fall under this logic. Therefore, I can't believe it to be Christian.

Good points are good. ;u;
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Couryielle
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@Chi: Posted Image

the bible --- no, actually, everything is like a white piece of paper with a small dot. no matter how immaculately white the paper is, all people ever see is the tiny, miniscule black dot. >:I

the very very basic, most primary basis of the bible, religion, and life is love, right? Infinitely complex and unlimited love should not be bound by rules written by shallow-minded, limited humans, because it would totally narrow down the essence and botch up the whole. that's why most people today have a warped version of love - because they don't try to seek out first what love means for them. instead, they adhere to a set of specifications written down ages ago by equally shallow-minded people and deem it as right and anything against it as wrong / evil / sinful.





...i just remembered. Achilles was a bi, right? he loved Deidamia and Briseis, but the one he really really really REALLY REALLY loved was his best friend, Patroclus ♥♥♥
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@Cou: LOL Achilles. Fun timez in World Lit two years ago during the Greek/Roman unit. "Teacher, are you SURE those two aren't secretly wanting to be in each other's pants?"

But I agree with you. I never even took the Commandments seriously when I was little. They honestly sounded too constraining and some of them I just couldn't follow anyway.
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Couryielle
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@Kirvee: me and one other classmate had been dubbed by our teacher as Achilles and Hector because we were the one's always "fighting" during recitations. when she handed back our homework papers one day, there was a scribbled note on mine saying "Great work in class! Keep it up, 'Achilles'! :) " i nearly shat brix.
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@Cou: Haha, nice!
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Gah, so many pages...

My 2 cents...

1) I'm going from an arts school/super super LGBT and alternative lifestyle friendly school to a regular college come fall. It's going to be... weird for me to adjust, since I've been going to art schools since the 6th grades. But whatever. I'll join the LGBT Association on campus and hopefully have loads of fun and do some good...

2) Someone waaay back asked if anyone didn't have gender identity issues. I guess that would be me...? I'm physically a girl and I'm comfortable enough with it. I mean, frankly I wish that I didn't have breasts (soooo annoying), but I don't angst over it or anything. I suppose I don't have much of a girl's psyche and I'm pretty lacking in the more feminine habits, But I've never seriously had any desire to be male. I guess I'm just not a very girly girl? In fact, when I am at my most girliest is usually when I am fangirling over something... and frankly the only thing I fangirl over is slash. But I digress. Gender is way too complex to be a clear cut issue, so I imagine that more people have varieties in it than is usually assumed.

3) Westboro Baptist Church = the worst example of Christianity ever. They were actually planning to come to our school last May to protest us putting on "The Laramie Project" and the entire school got fired up about it. (Seriously, they messed with the wrong school.) In the end, they didn't come, but some good did come out of it-- because of all the publicity, our production of "The Laramie Project" had the biggest opening night in the history of the school and after each perfomance they had panel/discussion about relevant issues by community leaders and even the director of the Matthew Shepard Foundation came down to talk. It was really exciting, and very cool.

4) I've just got to say that not every church group out there is evil and wants to condemn the souls of different people to hell. Last year the ELCA voted to allow sexually active homosexuals to join the clergy. And this is a big national group.
I am atheist, but I've been attending church weekly since I was a baby and still do. And while I'll be one of the first to admit that Christianity has major faults, it is unfair to blame the entire US's stance on homosexuality on Christianity. It's not a bad religion, it just is used by lots of bad people. Don't blame the weapon, blame the holder and all that.
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@My:

2) Well, the way I see it, you can be happy with your body but still have some form of gender irregularity. Like with me, I'm fine having a female body (even though there are numerous times I wish some things about it didn't exist, like periods and large breasts), but just because I'm fine with it doesn't stop my mind from having a distinct male and female gender persona. The male persona copes via ghost feelings (which can be entertainingly interesting and awkward at once). But then again, I'm not saying you have to have gender irregularity to matter...

3) Someone should burn them >-(. I hope they have very few members. But that's cool the way it turned out for your school! Isn't the director of the foundation Mrs. Shepard?

4) True. But from what I've seen, it seems to be a majority view. Though I guess in a way it can be considered guilty by association? Although, now that I think about it, it can sorta be thought of the same way Terrorists are viewed. Some people (like my mother) think all Muslims are evil and that Islam is a lie since it claims to be a "peaceful religion". But Terrorists are a minority amongst Muslims but because of their vast media coverage, they look much larger in numbers and thus give the religion and peaceful Muslims a bad name.
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Couryielle
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ha. ha. ha.

i heard this talk a few days ago on radio (our radio is ALWAYS tuned in to this certain religious station) about homosexuality. the speaker was going like: "if you put a straight man and a gay together for some time, eventually, the straight man will be gay as well. why is that? it's because the evil spirit is contagious. it corrupts the heart of man easily when he is defenseless. and who can defend man better from this evil other than God? so we should all blahblahblah --- "

i was glad i had to go to school by then because my ears were blistering from all the bullshit. so now they're calling love EVIL?!?!?! sheesh..
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@Cou: *facepalm*Oh geez. I would've called them up and say to them: "UM, unless you're completely ignorant to psychological research, homosexuality is not some contagious disease. If the straight man ended up gay by being around the other gay guy, he was probably gay to begin with. But you know what is contagious? Bullshit." and then hang up.
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Mr. and Mrs. Shepard are the founders and are highly involved, but some other guy runs the show. Forgot his name, but he seemed like a cool dude.
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@My: Ah, ok. I knew they started it, but wasn't sure who ran it. I'm still in the process of reading the book :-(.

I'm proud of them, though. They managed to get a law about hate crimes passed, so that there hopefully won't be anymore innocent Matthews stolen from their family and friends by the ignorance of a hate-filled person.
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@Cou: Thank you, thank you, thank you ;u; Another example: Alexander the Great and Hephaistion.
And about that radio thing, well, that's sure interesting. -frowns- I'm in agreement with Kirvee. Hanging out with gay friends doesn't make someone gay. I have a friend who is a lesbian and I am straight. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? Or are they trying to imply that all men in the world are actually gay and thus, when approached with a gay man, instantly realize their gayness? Because it sure sounds like it to me.

@My: You're right, gender is really confusing and there shouldn't be a set standard as to which is which because there are far too many exceptions.
And that sounds really, really awesome. I totally agree with what you said; Christianity's original purpose is constantly being twisted around and being made into something that it's not.
It's awesome to have you back, dear. ;u;

@Cou & My: As far as love and gender goes, I've always seen gender as purely for reproduction. Gender exists for us to reproduce, right? Therefore gender is related to the body. Love is from the heart - the soul - which has nothing to do with reproduction, I think. So why would souls have genders? Then we're free to love anyone and everyone, right? I don't know. I've been mulling over this for a while so I figured I might as well say it now...

@Kirvee: SECONDED.
And that's awesome. ;u;
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