Xeta

Apr 15 2011, 08:38 PM

BrianAFC

Apr 14 2011, 07:57 AM

Xeta

Apr 14 2011, 07:03 AM

Different planes of understanding, thinking, imagination. There's what, 6 billion people on earth? You can categorize them into different planes of thinking. You have the douches who listen to shit rap and watch MTV or college professors or people like you or people like me or people like Vee or people like Nikki or people who get pokemon tattoos. or people who get a kick out of causing a genocide. Everyone is different, but no one is unique. People have similar ideas, even without expressing them or talking about them or posting them in a topic in a forum about graphics where the constant joke is that it has nothing to do with graphics. The entire world is an endless column with layers, or planes. People are grouped into them. You are in one, with people who have the same mindset/thinking processes/ideas as you. And sometimes what makes sense to you cannot make sense to others not in that plane, because they just do not understand what you do, you do not understand what they do.

You and I, are not in the same plane.

that's not how things work, though

I assume you understand mathematics, right? So does most of humanity.

You ever read a book? Better put, have you ever read Russeau, Nietszche, any philosopher? They have very particular ways of thinking, more importantly, they have ideas that you can understand. Understanding has little to with your condescension of the human race, and your idea that we're all on different planes of understanding. Because what you WANT to speak about seems to be about agreeing, and assent is most definitely NOT understanding. For example, I UNDERSTAND Joseph Stalin's tactics, but it doesn't mean I agree with them. I can see where you're coming from, and what you're trying to say, but I don't agree with it.

Secondly, I completely refute your claim that humanity is just a gigantic blob, or several gigantic blobs-- hiveminds. You cannot categorize people in different planes of thinking, that's simply ridiculous. You can categorize their test scores, sure, that's what IQ tests are for; it's how we classify idiots and geniuses. Yet even those are flawed.

I find what you say to be very disturbing, that you believe in the extreme, absolute equality where people are LITERALLY equal at every "plane." Particularly because that denounces the very acknowledgment of genius; Michelangelo, Einstein, Mill, Bob Dylan all are creative geniuses, right? Are you to say that their works aren't unique? Jesus, I haven't heard anybody forgo individualism whilst speaking of idealism or even reality in all my life.

I originally didn't feel like addressing your post seriously because there won't be a winner in this because both of us have very different views on humanity, but I'm sort of bored and I have nothing better to do so....

I didn't mean like understanding as in understanding a basic concept such as 2 x 2 = 13 or understanding where Hitler was coming from (until he killed the jews) or understanding the headline of the newspaper. You're going too narrow minded. I meant understanding in the way you think, process data. As an atheist I can read the bible and understand it, even though they have ideas that I don't understand (i.e. believing in a deity). I shouldn't have used understanding and I only did because you said you I didn't get what you were saying. I personally just thought it was cliche

I never said humanity was a or several giant blobs, I said a column. It isn't in black and white. It's not real. It's a metaphor. It was just the easiest way I found to describe it. It isn't, you think like this so you have to be with everyone else who thinks like this and you can't like anyone else. It was a stupid metaphor and I posted it at 2:03AM so I was not at my fullest mental state. The whole idea was a terrible representation of my views.

But I really want to say out of that list you posted the only one who I consider a genius is Einstein. Or Isaac Newton. Which brings the fact that genius is just a word that can be applied subjectively. You say Bob Dylan is a creative genius, I say Bob Dylan is a creative writer who speaks/sings in an interesting manner and used to play good harmonica.

And, I never said people's WORKS aren't unique, I said people, and more specifically, they way they think, is not unique.

Anyways I'm sure you will tear this apart so I'll pleasantly and eargerly await your reply.

BrianAFC

Apr 16 2011, 09:15 AM

Let me try to assume your views, pardon me if I'm incorrect:

people are predictable, and a genius is one of incredible intelligence, able to grasp insane equations and abstract physics, metaphysics. People are so predictable, in fact, that depending on their level of intelligence, they will fall in line with other people-- much like a column, these people will be joined, in a consciousness that understands itself. There is one fore each level of intelligence. For geniuses, for example, Einstein could see things the way Newton could.

That has to be the least real possible assessment of the human condition ever. More so because you think that points can't be argued, and people can't understand each other. See, I think I can very well grasp what you have. Shit, I can argue a point against mine-- several-- and that's why I think you're wrong about people. It's not the inability to understand, typically, instead we have the SHAME to do so. We stunt our own progress through that shame. A very simple concept, something articulated mildly by Thoreau, Emerson, Nietzsche and any philosopher you could think of. I'm merely blaming it all on shame. Back to my point, agreeing has more to do with emotion than it does with the ability to understand another's point of view; people have such a mass amount of shame and insecurity (defenses against despair, embarrassment, etc.) that they refuse to see it the other persons way-- they repress the point of views before them.

Xeta

Apr 16 2011, 02:33 PM

BrianAFC

Apr 16 2011, 09:15 AM

Let me try to assume your views, pardon me if I'm incorrect:

people are predictable, and a genius is one of incredible intelligence, able to grasp insane equations and abstract physics, metaphysics. People are so predictable, in fact, that depending on their level of intelligence, they will fall in line with other people-- much like a column, these people will be joined, in a consciousness that understands itself. There is one fore each level of intelligence. For geniuses, for example, Einstein could see things the way Newton could.

That has to be the least real possible assessment of the human condition ever. More so because you think that points can't be argued, and people can't understand each other. See, I think I can very well grasp what you have. Shit, I can argue a point against mine-- several-- and that's why I think you're wrong about people. It's not the inability to understand, typically, instead we have the SHAME to do so. We stunt our own progress through that shame. A very simple concept, something articulated mildly by Thoreau, Emerson, Nietzsche and any philosopher you could think of. I'm merely blaming it all on shame. Back to my point, agreeing has more to do with emotion than it does with the ability to understand another's point of view; people have such a mass amount of shame and insecurity (defenses against despair, embarrassment, etc.) that they refuse to see it the other persons way-- they repress the point of views before them.

Eh, I think I'm going to stop playing debate because what you think I think isn't even close to what to what I think.

Nćt.

Apr 14 2011, 02:12 AM

BrianAFC

Apr 13 2011, 06:05 AM

it is not the search of truth which should drive you. instead, what your goal should be is the maintaining of the infinite potential that you have for progress through constant self-criticism, and similar ideological-demolition from an outside party. Through this, we are able to advance our minds past the typicality that is the insecure fact, for fact for all its law lacks the definity that our own divine developments provide-- because a man can be tricked, conditioned, and bamboozled out of believing that two times two equals two through the power of passionate words and confidence, just so as he can go through believing that two times two is thirteen. We must be a continuously creative species, for if we are built in the image of a force that creates, then that is our destiny. That is an infallible truth, that we should fulfill our greatest ability, as an ability is something that exists for use. As we create, and we destroy, whether our ideas, musical notes, or bricks, we continue to hold onto the possibility of perfection that is easily lost in the retirement of oneself, and finalization of any product. Remain dynamic.

as far as this goes, I think you're giving people too much credit. and too little at points like believing 2x2=2 or 13. I figure that's an exaggeration, but come on.

Also the hard returning annoyed me while reading, which is why I didn't keep it broken into lines in the quote. Pointing this out because I felt like being captain obvious.

Lejn

Nov 29 2011, 05:37 AM

Oatmeal, shut the FUCK up.