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Sting As Joker
Topic Started: Aug 10 2011, 05:19 AM (136 Views)
Shawn Winters
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Me and Adam just talked about this, I never saw the clip but that shit is offensive. now...sting took the crowd gimmick after brandon lee died and at the time i was too young to get it but now? him taking heath ledger's joker into a wrestling gimmick isn't right. He has the paint to simulate the scars and everything. It's like he's mimicking a dead mans performance.

To me of anyone read Heath Ledger took alot of drugs to get into the psyche of the Joker character. is next movie Dr. Parassus which he died filming was a result of medication he had via Dark Knight. That film is held to a higher standard because of that performance of Joker and thats not a lie. Box office saw it sadly because of that aspect. Not saying only people saw it for that but quite a few me being one of them (i'm a fan of Ledger)

The fact that Sting now does a complete rip off of that character is sick. There is a rule of sorts....you dont redo a character after a guy dies. You didnt see True Grit get remade rigth after John Wayne died did you? Dark Knight replace Heath Ledger for a sequel? They better not.

To me it's in poor taste.
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Allocco
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My argument to this that it's not to that level of offense. It's completely unoriginal, but watching more of this, I wouldn't give Sting the credit of being a complete rip off because it does incorporate at least from what I saw some of his older character ( which was pretty much a rip off of the Crow). Nevertheless, I don't think this mocking Ledger I just this is highly stupid.

The reason you wouldn't make a remake so soon is because it makes no sense to have a remake after only a several years you need a few decades and it's not because someone died or not, it's because people would still have the original too fresh in the mind and would be calling the executives unoriginal. Which is going on now with me with the Sting but for different reasons.

However I don't think this is sick or offensive in anyway and I find myself a sentimental creature. Now if he was throwing in references, alluding to the death of Ledger and then mocking Ledger himself, then I would find it offensive. To me this is just a cheap attempt by TNA to capitalize on the success of the Joker character from the Dark Knight. I used to have high hopes for TNA, but this shows that the company has no direction, no sense of creativity, and it further more hopeless because they're pushing this shit among with Hogan and other washed up hasbeens instead homegrown talent as much as they should.
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There's one main flaw with Sting's new character. Sure, the Crow character had similar aspects, BUT, it made perfect sense and Sting did not make it into a ripoff. It merely was inspiration. Why was it successful? Because it wasn't a blatant ripoff. Some elements were (the facepaint, for instance), but the character work because of how it was set up. It was booked well. It had a logical rationale for the change (WCW had turned its back on Sting and Sting went totally solo and quiet to reflect his displeasure with everything). It still had an element of uniqueness.

The problem with this Joker Sting is quite simply...it was booked horribly (like usual for things in TNA) and it IS a blatant ripoff, from the facepaint, to how to talks, to even his god damn attire. There is nothing original and quite simply, I think this is actually going to do more harm than good not to TNA, but to Sting. Sting is a hall of famer, regardless of what people may say about his in-ring ability at times. He's has a successful career, but really, how many younger fans are ONLY going to remember the cheap, oh hey, it's Dark Knight ripoff Sting. He really wasn't that great. The only thing that I would say is good about it is that Sting, for whatever reason, has embraced it and really tries, but I actually just stop caring. It's ruined Sting's character, in my opinion. It's been booked horribly. And at the end of the day, I find little redeeming about it. The Crow, I refuse to say it was a ripoff. It was used as inspiration and made into something of its own with elements borrowed. This, this is a ripoff.
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Allocco
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Perfectly put, Oleks! I actually agree with you completely.
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I think this is further proving the point that Vince Russo has officially lost it. I don't watch TNA, but I NEVER hear anything good about it. I seriously wonder how it's still in business.
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Shilo Valiant
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I normally dont respond to these threads, but I was interested in what people were thinking. And I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Now, I'm a little more simple-minded. It's easy to entertain me. That being said, I couldn't make heads or tails of this call. Don't get me wrong, I think Sting is a hall-of-famer and deserves to be. He may not be the best wrestler (though personally, I enjoy his work alot more than some of the current top stars in WWE), but he has great charisma. Like everyone that has said something, his "the Crow" look was inspired by the film, but I agree with O.. It was build well and he maintained it over the years, even when the crow wasn't as popular (when the paparazzi had died). A note here as well, the movie was made popular because Brandon Lee died on set. The fact that he has "drawn inspiration" from the work of two dead actors is rather strange, but back to the point.

The angle was well written and it came to a point where black and white was just Sting being Sting. He would incorporate a color here and there but it was just Sting. That's because of great writing and fan-reception. When something, either from inspiration or something else, becomes part of a character to the point where you don't really think about it and accept it, then it's done well.

That being said, this new Joker angle is terrible. First of all, props to Sting for running with it. You can tell when you're watching him that he's having the time of his life doing it. Ive seen his promos and really, it's just him having fun with the roster. I respect him for that because others wouldn't do it as well or as hard-working way as Sting has. And yes, some of his segments have been funny. However, this concept was thrown inout of nowhere. Sting just snapped, according to TNA, and the sad part is, they made it sound like it was over a title or interference. Sting went black and white over feeling that WCW had turned on him. Now he's snapped over a title? It's stupid.

Then, to go on a 180 character change, from calm, collected and a guide to crazy and random was just stupid. If they had written it over a period of time or something a bit more believable, then yes. This, however, like O. said, is a ripoff. Pure and simple. It is Russo trying to recreate Sting's fall in the eyes of the fans like it happened with WCW, while still trying to cash in on his old fame. It doesnt work and to be honest, when he's not being joker against Immortal, it just comes across as stupid. His time with Kurt Angle, the few segments they had, were dumb and I felt unneccessary.

That's what I think anyway. Black and white/crow sting was an angle that affected all of SCW and was expertly written for many scenarios. Joker Sting comes across as working only against Immortal a few times and appearing dumb and forceful against everyone else Sting faces. Props to Sting for trying, but really, Russo is just hurting Sting's reputation at this point by making the angle rushed and narrow-minded.
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Matt Hodges
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I'm pleased to report that this is literally the first I've heard of this. As TNA couldn't be more irrelevant to me, I couldn't care less. This is a miserable attempt, sure, but what did TNA really stand to lose here?
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rip keith ledgers
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ahhh tna wcw for a new generation
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