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| Thoughts on Night of Champions? | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 18 2011, 10:12 PM (351 Views) | |
| WAP2PLeader | Sep 18 2011, 10:12 PM Post #1 |
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Just finished watching it. Personally, the Main Event was something else. If this is the future of WWE, at least it's gonna be entertaining. Gotta give props to Mark Henry to. Finally got himself a much deserved World Championship! And I know he's not the best wrestler, but after a career of Sexual Chocolate, making love to Mae Young, dancing with a leprachaun, and a host of other embarassing angles, he deserves to be on top, even for a moment. Fatal Fourway for the US title was rather entertaining to, but not all together a quality performance. Mostly because of all the mistakes/mishaps on Alex Riley. But hey, he's still new so gotta give him that. Kid sure tries hard. And even though I'm sure many of us are tired of John Cena, I gotta say, the WWE title match introduction was kinda funny. Shame on me. And Alberto did a decent job as well, but the ending was expected. Again, the main event was something else and its why this match was the second final on the card. Would love to know what everyone else thought. |
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| RenSpam | Sep 18 2011, 10:37 PM Post #2 |
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When a Mark Henry match is the highlight of a PPV, you know you've just wasted 50 bucks. The main event was an example of russotastic booking and pretty much killed ANY heat Punk had, but I can see some directions they can drag this carcass of a storyline so I won't call it the lowlight. I won't even trash the Cena/Del Rio match as it's only schocking when Cena DOESN'T win. No, in my opinion the biggest gift in a gym bag was the Beth Phoenix/Kelly Kelly match. Here were the WWE talking about the Divas of Destruction and how they were going to bring the Divas division into the 21st century whether it liked it or not. Beth HAD to win this match to appear credible (well, everybody has to win against Kelly Kelly in order to appear credible, because K2's a joke), and what happens? She loses clean in the middle of the ring. In her home town, the one place you can let the heel win and expect at least half a pop from the crowd. The rest of the night was pretty forgettable, which I was honestly expecting; forgettable, but things moved forward in a passable way. Instead, I got the wrestling equivalent of a slap in the face, leading to a concussion and a depush for a year. (Yeah, looks like they still haven't forgotten Ted. Keep on Jobbin'.) |
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| Lucas Knight | Sep 19 2011, 03:58 AM Post #3 |
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Overall I actually quite enjoyed Night of Champions. Tag match was what it was really, I didn't really care for it either way although the conspiracy stuff is pretty funny. I can sa the same for the IC title match as well, I dig the mask gimmick Rhodes has still atm. US Title match, loved the ending to this match as i'm a big fan of Dolph and wanted him to retain. Womens match was a disappointment to an extent, wanted to see Beth win as it was her home town. But to Kelly's credit I thought she put on a good match even though she's meh in the ring. World title match, was as good as it could really get. I said to myself, if he doesn't win the title he may as well just retire because the way they've built him up recently would have just been pointless if they were going to just put Orton over. Thankfully WWE look like they're going to give Henry the ball. I just hope it's not a short lived reign like they did with Christian. Henry could be a credible champion imo, if they book him like they have as a monster. Though I can see him losing in 2 weeks at Hell in a Cell cause of Kane returning lol - but hey 2 weeks is better than nothing right? WWE title match was pretty decent all things considered, I'm a big fan of Del Rio in the ring and on the mic. The match itself was good, lots of good back and forth. The only crap part of it was Cena winning, I can't and probably won't get behind Cena ever unless WWE grow a set and turn him heel. But that'll never happen, and I always enjoy it when the fans hate on him. Main Event was solid I thought, was somewhat of a clusterfuck at the end but both Trips and Punk put on a awesome match. Just a shame it was marred with Nash appearing (although I think that was pretty much predictable). But lets be honest, I think we all knew Trips was going to win at the beginning so that isn't a surprise. Hopefully RAW will lets us know where they're going with the whole thing, and its not just going to be a Punk/Nash feud now. So yeah, was an entertaining PPV to say the least |
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| XdpK | Sep 19 2011, 08:05 AM Post #4 |
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main event was designed to make trips look like superman trips looking that good made little sense except to stroke trips ego taking down punk during his huge rise i thought it was dumb booking and the whole show was rather lackluster thumbs down from me alot of dumb descisisions including beth losing to kelly and the punk match just stupid |
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| Mr. D | Sep 19 2011, 10:20 AM Post #5 |
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I enjoyed the ppv until the end of the Mark Henry promo. Good decisions, no one really looked bad, enjoyable matches, some good psychology and just had a good pace, but just gave us some good wrestling. Henry winning the title I'm impressed they did it AND they made Orton look vulnerable. This is something WWE should have remembered later on. The Women's Title and WWE Championship matches are easily two of the worst booking decisions of the year. Beth Phoenix needed the win just to keep her character alive (plus, it just artificially keeps the storyline going for no reason or kills it (more likely) unless they are going to do something goofy like Kelly vs. Beth in Hell in a Cell, which I VERY MUCH doubt). The WWE Championship match showed first why Alberto Del Rio was a good choice for champion. The match was solid. Unfortunately, we then had Super Cena bury Del Rio and honestly, they've killed the potential for him as a champion. He's the next Swagger. Doomed to be a midcarder, unless they have him make Cena tap out. That won't likely happen. The fact is, Del Rio NEEDED that win to look like a star. He needed to show he could get it done in the ring in a title match. Instead, Cena wins the title for the 48th time of the year (seriously, think of the last time Cena WASN'T in the title picture. He needs to be taken out of it just to keep him fresh if they're going to keep him face. People need to see other people in that top spot) and Del Rio loses clean, and shows he wasn't champion. That's all I got out of the match. Now, who is Cena's next challenger that has ANY momentum? Ziggler? Not going to happen with the US title and he's got the think with Swagger. So it's Del Rio again...yeah....too bad, Del Rio has no credibility anymore. As I told Mark last night, Del Rio needs to beat someone other than Rey Rey with the cross armbreaker. Having Del Rio beat Cena by causing him to pass out to it would have made him a star for his career. Cena doesn't have to be bulletproof. All that does is make people turn away. Notice that the crowd didn't pop as loud as they did. The kiddies either weren't in droves, or they didn't care as much. The main event, on the other hand, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with Trips going over. Punk had a way out. Plus, there's the oddness of Punk attacking Nash, which I think adds a wrinkle (granted, I'm also thinking of how I would book, not WWE). But ultimately, if the plan is Trips vs. Punk at WM as is rumoured, Punk having his rematch at Trips and building it up until then with Trips showing he got the better, albeit with help from a lot of people last night, could be big. There's a lot of ifs there, but at the end of the day, I think more damage would have been done with Triple H losing, than Punk losing. Punk can go a lot of different ways with this and he's skilled enough on the mic to make them all work. Trips getting bounced from the COO position this fast would just be stupid. I don't think the match should've taken place, but the match was solid. Both looked good. Both had an entertaining main event. There's a lot of stories that they can follow up with and a lot of directions. None of which I see as the end of the world. It's a shame because outside of the Women's match (which I can live with), but the WWE Championship match (which just makes me bang my head against the wall - another new face that get's the plug pulled on him pointlessly. Del Rio meet Kofi, Swagger, Dolph, Drew, Wade and MVP. I hope you enjoy your future midcard career) is the real sadness. I've never been one to outright dislike Cena. I can appreciate his passion. I can appreciate the fact that he can wrestle a match with a good story, but the super Cena, the fact that he rarely loses clean to a heel is really just starting to bother me. WWE needs to remind itself that you can have your heroes get beaten clear and there is money in them chasing or being away from the main event. Furthermore, you can make more money if see many people as top names instead of just Cena, Orton, Trips and Taker. |
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| Mr. D | Sep 19 2011, 10:49 AM Post #6 |
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Just to bring in another view. I give you Paul Heyman's twitter: "I thought @CMPunk and HHH (and all the others involved) put on one helluva show. It took 3 Pedigrees and a Jack Knife to beat Punk." Mon Sep 19 03:01:35 via web Paul Heyman HeymanHustle AND "I know a lot of people are pissed @CMPunk got pinned, but if you're going to get beat, isn't that the way to do it?" Mon Sep 19 03:03:20 via web Paul Heyman HeymanHustle |
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| Lucas Knight | Sep 19 2011, 11:35 AM Post #7 |
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Yeah I see that earlier,and have to agree with it 100%. Guess we'll find out which way they're gonna take it, since Nash apparenlty got legit hurt by trips lol. |
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| XdpK | Sep 19 2011, 11:43 AM Post #8 |
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i think triple h looked like superman withstanding all the run ins dispatching nash and so on. it just seems like another instance where trips used his political power to beat some one that was going over and the endless pattern of cena-orton-hunter continues. they are doing exactly what is the problem the same old thing theyve been doing for the last 5 years. if punk rebounds im wrong but i see trips just further burying him. sure henrys champ now but hes losing it at hic and who really gives a shit about henry he's a -5 star worker anyways |
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| Sean | Sep 19 2011, 01:24 PM Post #9 |
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Seriously isn't that how you want to be beat? IT took three pedigrees and a jackknife to beat Punk. He did no way bury him. It would be stupid for Triple H to even lose that match anyways. He's only been COO for like almost two months now. No need to have Triple H lose his right as COO just yet. Allow it this to keep building. Punk would have not signed a new contract if he knew he was going to get buried each and every month to Triple H. Be legit here. Punk will rebound. |
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| XdpK | Sep 19 2011, 02:26 PM Post #10 |
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i am being legit here that the plan seems to be punk to rebound that would be logic but hunter has a tendency to bury people just as they are getting super over. its what he does its why i dislike him its not just because im a punk mark which i am but ive seen trips do this before more then once hunters taken a win off some one just as they start to get over destroying them takin them months to recover. they had an article about this and how hunter is on a former wwe writers site maybe david lagana maybe some one else. |
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| Cid | Sep 19 2011, 02:31 PM Post #11 |
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who has triple h even buried in the last decade? |
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| XdpK | Sep 19 2011, 02:33 PM Post #12 |
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Orton (post first title win) Booker T, RVD, Jeff Hardy and i could probably name more a loss to trips equals a few steps backwards |
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| Chad Evans | Sep 19 2011, 02:35 PM Post #13 |
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Having the match itself was stupid. What did this do for Punk? He's super over, he legitimately had the crowd going for him 75 percent of the match, against fucking Trips. Why did it need this stipulation to be a bigger match? It just made it clear Trips was winning, which was unnecessary. And Del Rio's Destiny was to win the title to job a month later in a match he himself had to carry? Poor bastard. MARK HENRY IS CHAMP!!!! yay? If they were just going to give Henry of all people the title, why couldn't Christian just hold it longer? What a disappointing night. Only matches really enjoyable were the fatal fourway and Trips/Punk before half the roster came out. I enjoyed Miz and Truth tbh. Truth's new theme ftw. |
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| Cid | Sep 19 2011, 02:38 PM Post #14 |
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I'd argue that he made orton and I don't know if orton was really buried after his title win, it's not like he completely fell off the face of the earth I guess I can't give a fair opinion because I can't totally recall how over certain people were during that time, but I'd like to think people like RVD and booker never were over enough for a "burial" to be a big deal but that might be because I hate them same with jeff so I guess I shouldn't speak about this |
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| XdpK | Sep 19 2011, 02:41 PM Post #15 |
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kozlov and umega are great example of trips burials they go from complete monsters to neutered bitches. trips getting a win doesnt help his opponent ever. Sheamus losing a mania pointless it didnt do anything for either of them and then his revenge is a beat down backstage and having to use multiple finishers to beat trips... i hate trips i do have a bias against him but i see it as a justified one |
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| Cid | Sep 19 2011, 02:46 PM Post #16 |
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well I think I stopped watching a bit before he faced umaga and I haven't been watching since, not counting these last few weeks, but is it really a bad thing that umaga got buried? I guess I just hate everyone in the WWE, but did he really have fans? did he deserve to be anything more than what he actually was? I am not really aware of which people had what amount of fans but I happened to catch umaga before I stopped watching and he was very boring to me |
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| RenSpam | Sep 19 2011, 02:53 PM Post #17 |
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The problem was the match in general, not the ending. Instead of giving people a long, exciting match showcasing Punk doing everything he can to defeat Trips and bring a new era into WWE, we got a couple minutes of a match (with a nice Savage Elbow Drop spot) and then a great big schmozz for the remaining time. Awesome Truth come out: Okay, I'm not happy about a run in on a PPV main event, but it makes sense due to what happened earlier. Miz and Truth beat the snot out of Punk and HHH, then stick punk on top for the pin. I'm still okay with that. My problem with Truth/Miz in that match? WHEN TRUTH PULLED PUNK OFF OF HHH! It made utterly no sense for his character, and only muddied the waters. The whole Laurinitis and Nash thing only added more to the focus on Trips, while Punk pretty much became an afterthought for the whole thing. Going forward I'm almost positive Punk's going to become nothing more than a sidekick to Trips, who's going to find himself in a battle with Laurinitis who's trying to conspiracy his way into the COO position. Is that bad storytelling? If this story had always been about HHH, no. But it's meant to be about Punk's revolution to make WWE fun again, and now it's another King of Kings program which I personally am sick of seeing. |
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| Chad Evans | Sep 19 2011, 02:54 PM Post #18 |
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As Champion he buried everyone. He buried Jericho at Mania. How long was it before Jericho was then utilized as a real main eventer? He buried Goldberg. I can only think of a few occasions where feuds with him really helped anyone. |
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| Cid | Sep 19 2011, 03:00 PM Post #19 |
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I can't argue against jericho and I remember when he won the chamber match by hitting goldberg with a sledgehammer I wanted to kick my TV out of my window however, I think goldberg won the title after that. even though he lost it like a month or two later, I don't think he really got buried. you're right about jericho though, you have defeated my argument |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Sep 19 2011, 03:23 PM Post #20 |
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WOOOO! *Cid flops* :CTface: As for NOC, I've seen better from WWE, but I've also seen worse. Mark Henry, as much as people don't like him or think he's worth the time, does deserve to have this 1 title reign, even though it'll probably be a brief one. When I saw the replay of the tag team match, I thought that was pretty good. Main event was el clusterfucko, but I knew it would be. Sad also to see Cena as champ again...but WWE stays true to the fact that they just simply can't go 2 weeks without Orton or Cena as a World/WWE Champion. I challenge them to do so and will keep challenging them until they actually succeed.
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| Greg Cherry | Sep 19 2011, 04:47 PM Post #21 |
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The fact that Cena is a 12-time champion (3 time winner since May...yes, 3 times in four months) goes to show that no one on the Raw roster matters except John Cena. The tag titles are meaningless. Triple H is meaningless. CM Punk is meaningless. Nothing matters as long as the show is about John Cena. People hate that argument that the show is all about Cena, but those damn Hollywood writers keep adding fuel to the fire of that argument. For the love of God, Olek, call up Johnny Ace. Get all the writers fired (for both shows and for the love of everything sane, stop making Christian be a whiny bitch heel...he can stay heel, but not whiny bitch like) and put some sanity into the WWE product. |
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| Cid | Sep 19 2011, 05:24 PM Post #22 |
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damn gerg... you're keeping it real, well done |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Sep 19 2011, 05:51 PM Post #23 |
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Craig's Texas Rose
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