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| Topic Started: Dec 18 2011, 10:25 PM (201 Views) | |
| Sean | Dec 18 2011, 10:25 PM Post #1 |
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The One They Forgot
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First Zack Ryder finally wins the US Championship, and then Daniel Bryan cashes in his MITB briefcase to win the World Championship! I know Punk will retain his championship, so nothing really went wrong with this night except for some blah moments. |
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| Shawn Winters | Dec 18 2011, 10:50 PM Post #2 |
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One Man Scandal
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UGH!!!! Glad Ryder won the US title to an extent. I love Ryder don't get me wrong but I love Ziggler more. The guys a boss. As for Bryan, I let it be known I dislike him very much. I enjoy his wrestling as he's very good but I can't get behind him at all because he has zero personality. He's Lance Storm 2.0. I'm waiting for Austin to come out with a pillow and take a nap on the stage when he's on the mic. Now I'm happy that the Champion isn't Henry or Big Show but ugh, not Daniel Bryan. He's not World Title material yet. |
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| Greg Cherry | Dec 18 2011, 10:52 PM Post #3 |
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Member of the Nation of Moderation
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They did an entire Pay Per View without John Cena involved. |
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| Cid | Dec 18 2011, 10:58 PM Post #4 |
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Silenced Hero
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daniel bryan representing washington state like a champ BECAUSE HE IS A CHAMP also jay gold's prediction about him being the first one to cash in and lose was wrong, so owned |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Dec 18 2011, 11:00 PM Post #5 |
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Craig's Texas Rose
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i actually said that about Alberto Del Rio....but yeah,i was still wrong
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| Sean | Dec 18 2011, 11:11 PM Post #6 |
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Like I've done many people. Dolph doesn't need the US title anymore. He's good enough without it. He'll be pushed to the main event where he belongs. As for D-Bryan. You honestly have to be a follower of his since ROH/Indy days to know who he really is. His mic skills? I can name a lot of great who sucked on the mic, one being Bret Hart. It will take time for his mic skills to get better. And for Greg. Stop with the "I hate Cena" bandwagon everyone has been on for the past 6 or so years. It's old. He sells and makes WWE a lot of money. That's all that matters. |
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| Shawn Winters | Dec 18 2011, 11:17 PM Post #7 |
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One Man Scandal
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I agree about Dolph, however I fear he won't be pushed for main events despite deserving it. A Ziggler/Punk feud would be epic. Bret and Bryan were different. Yes similar mic skills but Bret became so god damn popular and payed his dues before getting the world title. Which is what's wrong with wrestling these days. Yes yes Bryan paid his dues in indy wrestling but not WWE and he doesn't seem to have the charisma of a main eventer I'm sorry. He needs to get more people behind him for his title reign to mean anything. It's gross seeing how quickly guys get thrown a bone in WWE just to give new guys credibility. Makes the titles meaningless. It's only a matter of time before Brodus Clay is feuding with Punk for the WWE title and winning it. (which is why I'm not sold Dolph will main event) Admittedly I hate the current product so I find it hard to compare ERA's and I seemingly try to find what's wrong with anyone. |
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| Cid | Dec 19 2011, 01:08 AM Post #8 |
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what on earth makes you think that will happen? god damn you must be drunk as hell also rhodes and ziggler have improved a million times since I've been watching, it is really cool, ziggler had a good run as US champ and he deserves better than zack ryder, even though it was an interesting feud also jay gold you are right and I admit defeat, I mixed some shit up and I apologize for calling you out in front of your family |
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| Shawn Winters | Dec 19 2011, 01:31 AM Post #9 |
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One Man Scandal
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it's how WWE operates now. They have a random big guy around take him off tv for a while cuz he sucks. Remarket him with video packages "hyping him up" and bring him back to completely dominate everyone so when they get that world title shot they seem "unbeatable". It's the EXACT same thing they did with Sheamus. He came back and won the title right away. They're trying to do the same thing Clay, watch it happen. He might not win the title but he'll get a shot |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Dec 19 2011, 01:50 AM Post #10 |
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Craig's Texas Rose
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Brodus reminds me of.................. Estrada: "ESCUCHAME! ESCUCHAME! ESCUCHAME! HAHA! Let me introduce to you....theeeeee Samooooooan Bulldozer! UUUUUUUMAGAAAAAAAA!!!!!" rip eddie fatu
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| Cid | Dec 19 2011, 01:55 AM Post #11 |
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bro I am pretty sure they gave up on trying to re-debut brodus clay they haven't mentioned his debut (which was delayed for I think like four weeks) for a few shows so I'm not sure what they're doing exactly but I think you are wrong and I am willing to fight you with my fists to prove it |
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| Shilo Valiant | Dec 19 2011, 04:37 AM Post #12 |
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It was strange how WWE made a gamble on this PPV. For the majority of PPVs this year, they have placed John Cena in one of their main-event matches. Now, I'm not gonna bash John Cena anything or jump on a badwagon on how he sucks, but I've never been a Cena fan. Never could get behind him. Nevertheless, his constant usage is understandable. So, I was shocked when he wasn't mentioned or brought up at all in this PPV. It was a gamble WWE took, and one that I think paid off. It was refreshing to see someone other than John Cena in the main-event picture. It showed who could, and can, step-up and keep the show going when Cena wasn't used. And to be honest, I liked the show I saw. The matches were evenly dispersed, the endings were overall interesting and it was just filled with good moments of wrestling. That being said, some moments were obvious. I was surprised when Big Show won the title, but the moment Henry beat him down, I knew Bryan would cash in. Still, Cole and Bryan played it up well. Beth Phoenix vs. Kelly Kelly was just a glorified beatdown that was so-so. And Shaemus vs. Swagger could have been better. The highlight of the night, for me, was Booker vs. Rhodes. The reason being was because of the set up. Now, I partly think this was because the main-event did not include John Cena. I mean, I rarely ever watch a ppv with WWE because I feel it's the same thing. Cena vs someone. I understand it works for others, but it bores me. Without Cena in the picture, the ppv looked interesting to me and allowed me to invest in watching the whole thing. So, because of that, I saw an IC match start off as a mid-card match, but suddenly take the second last match in the night, over the HHH/Nash match, and the World title match! That to me was an amazing idea, as it could have easily failed. However, Rhodes played it well with the attacks and Booker played the old solider well. It was a good match that really worked with all the investment these two made throughout the night. Easily a show-stealer. All and all, I'm intrigued how WWE looks when someone else is given the torch other than john cena, and we see the product without its poster boy. Honestly, i'm kinda looking forward to the next show he isnt in. |
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| The Real Speed | Dec 19 2011, 09:35 AM Post #13 |
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Spam God..The Shinigami of SCW, and better then you
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Board of Directors - Why are the PPV numbers so low for TLC? Everyone in high power positions - John Cena was left off the card. Boar of Directors- We want Cena! No more of this crap. Yep.... |
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| Syren | Dec 19 2011, 01:16 PM Post #14 |
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So Totally Awesome!
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Don't worry, the show had his friend Zack Ryder to carry it... :lol: |
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| Max Kane | Dec 19 2011, 07:36 PM Post #15 |
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This may seem all over the place but whatev.... I agree but disagree with you Shawn. First off the fact that Bryan isn't World Title material. I strongly disagree with that. Sure Bryan may not be as good on the mic but when it comes to pure wrestling, he's one of the best. I do agree that I wish WWE would have built him up before he won the belt(remembers folks it was like two months ago when he was on his big losing streak) however I have no problem with him be in the thick of things when it comes to the World title scene. One thing I think WWE lacks is variety; from characters, story lines; the way the matches are; Divas division; etc. and if you look at Bryan compared to Orton, Cena and the other top guys, he's different. There's a way WWE can make Bryan a legit main eventer without having the so called "mic skills" but you're right when you said he needs to be built up properly for that. BTW I don't think Hart get enough credit for his mic skills. People make it seem as if he was absolutely terrible. Now I'm not saying he was great at it; not at all. But if you listen to his 97 stuff, after the Wrestlemania double turn with Austin and the reformation of the Hart Foundation, it was pretty good. In fact, he took his character to a totally new level and it got to the point where there every in the US hated him but the Canadian fans worshipped him. Just figured I would add that point. And Shawn, you're right about guys being pushed to soon. Even though I'm sixteen I do prefer the "old school" style of pushing someone right away. Lesnar was an exception because for one he already was a great wrestler and two he had Heyman as his manager. But other than that, I like wrestlers being gradually pushed over the years. It's one of the reasons why I'm a big Cody Rhodes fan. Think about it, he started off feuding with Orton, then teaming with Hardcore Holly, then with DiBiase and Legacy, then he became Dashing, then he became "UnDashing" to now. That's the way to push someone, especially given how green Rhodes was at the beginning. Even the Miz's road to the WWE title last year was great; long US title reign along with being one half of the Unified belts and thus making him a double champ; him winning the MITB and then finally winning the belt. Sure it was a cash in just like Bryan however Miz was pushed strongly throughout the year before he won the big one. WWE needs to do more of that. Letting the wrestler hone on his skills and let him form a character before giving him the big push. At this point I'm tired of seeing Del Rio and the thing is that he's a good wrestler. But they didn't gradually push him or let him expand his character and instead shoved him down our throats. And yeah I absolutely HATE the current WWE product because it's like I said; lack of variety, especially when it comes to characters. I mean it seems as if the art of a good character has been tossed out the window. To me there's only been one real character this year; Rhodes' UnDashing gimmick. Now thinking about it, R-Truth's character was pretty good too so he's included as well. Anyways with Rhodes there was so much dynamic characteristics about his masked character; from the guy who called him Dashing and who look in the mirrors before his matches to the compete 180 and hate to be stared at. That was a great character although I thought WWE could have done so many things with that but then again I usually look at things at all angles. Like for example, his gimmick was kinda like the Phantom of the Opera and given that he hate being stared at, perhaps he could have hung out at the rafters because that's what the POTO did in the play. Not in the Sting way but more of he's embarrassed to be seen. Also I thought he should have grown his hair out because I felt that once he became UnDashing, he would in a way stop caring about how he looked. To me WWE not giving wrestlers their own unique personality to make them stand out from each other is pure laziness. Zack Ryder is the perfect example of that. He had to get HIMSELF OVER because WWE had nothing planned for him! But then again that's the perspective of a sixteen year old kid. |
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| XdpK | Dec 19 2011, 07:54 PM Post #16 |
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good show daniel bryan can be a good champ less mic based storylines more just wrestling based storys thats how to get him over have him out wrestle people simple as that mic skills arent eveything |
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| Sean | Dec 19 2011, 08:59 PM Post #17 |
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Great reply. Kris tells the truth. |
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