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Top 5 Mic Skills
Topic Started: Jun 26 2011, 09:48 PM (1,016 Views)
Shawn Winters
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The top five guys in professional wrestling ever with the ability to talk on the mic. Who could do it the best?

My Top Five:
1) The Rock
2) Chris Jericho
3) Jake Roberts
4) CM Punk
5) Roddy Piper

Honorable Mentions Include: Macho Man, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Ric Flair, Brian Pillman
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Since I'm probably the youngest here I'm going to base this off who I've grown up watching.

1. CM Punk
2. HBK
3. John Cena(despite his childish promos.)
4. Chris Jericho
5. The Miz
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"Bad" Billy Mitchell
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1. Chris Jericho
2. Stone Cold Steve Austin
3. Roddy Piper
4. RaVen
5. Jake Roberts


Rock is disqualified in my eyes, 'cause everything was written for him by Pat Patterson, he didn't have to come up with anything on his own. The above five all formulated their own stuff on the fly. Roberts and RaVen are almost equal, but RaVen had a way of getting deeper into your mind than Roberts. Roberts was chilling on an emotional level, while RaVen could literally rip your mind apart in just a few short sentences.

EDIT - to finish off my Top-10 with honourable mentions:

06. Eddie Guerrero
07. Shawn Michaels
08. John Bradshaw Layfield
09. Christopher Daniels
10. Triple H / Randy Orton

Number 10 is a tie. Both of them can be either absolute bore-fests, or they can come up with some of the most scathing, absolutely degrading promos on the show. It's a toss-up.
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"Bad" Billy Mitchell,Jun 26 2011
10:01 PM
1. Chris Jericho
2. Stone Cold Steve Austin
3. Roddy Piper
4. RaVen
5. Jake Roberts


Rock is disqualified in my eyes, 'cause everything was written for him by Pat Patterson, he didn't have to come up with anything on his own. The above five all formulated their own stuff on the fly. Roberts and RaVen are almost equal, but RaVen had a way of getting deeper into your mind than Roberts. Roberts was chilling on an emotional level, while RaVen could literally rip your mind apart in just a few short sentences.

I agree with you to a point. I honestly forgot about Raven. Raven had a sick ability to make you feel stupid. Jake however...he defined his generation and was a heel that talked slowly and deeply when guys like Macho Man and Warrior and Piper were loud. Jake...he was smart and took you into dark places and laughed at you while he was mocking you.

Fuck people writing for The Rock. That's an opinion. WWE has has writers forever and it depends on the performer whether they use it. To say Rock used his writers is just an assumption. HBK has said recently he didnt like what writers wrote so would do his own thing. Just look at Rock's Concerts. Those were awesome. Not to mention Rock and the NWO lol The Rock was a master on the mic no doubt about it.
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Rock's stuff was written by someone else? So what? He delivered it better then everyone else on these lists. The list is top five mic skills. Not top five line writers.
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Oh, believe me, Murph, I won't argue a word about Roberts. Ask Olek, he's heard me go on and on for hours about "The Snake." Piper is my all-time favorite, but Roberts is easily number-two, and to be honest, it's hard for me to vote between him and Raven, 'cause Roberts taught Levy. Taught him everything he knows. His movements in the ring, his execution of the DDT, his slow, philisophical approach to the match. RaVen was basically the Roberts of the next generation, and it was a beautiful evolution.

But you're right, Roberts, with that low, gravelly voice, slowly shifting so Damian was always facing the camera, or he was always leaning over the interviewer - he just knew how to work his image. Tall, lean, slithery, shadowy ... like I said, Roberts was just flat-out chilling when he was on top of his game. Raven I just liked more because he reminded me of a Hannibal Lecter-type, who just ripped you apart, and you never even knew it was happening. GOD, I would have KILLED to hear those two promo off each other ... B)


As for Rock, I give the man credit for one thing: Charisma. He could take some of the dumbest, most mediocre, absolutel bullshit material, and turn it into absolute comedy gold. I STILL remember his promo about the Royal Rumble, where he stole the camera and was focusing on the cameraman, some chick in the second row, some baby up in the stands, and it was like "THIS BABY JUST SAID -HE- WAS GOING TO WIN THE ROYAL RUMBLE!" - Rock was a laugh a second, I won't dispute that, ever; but when you talk about guys who 'ruled the stick,' to me, that's guys who could deliver their best material each and every time. No script, no help, just off the top of their head.

Fact, I honestly think Piper might have been better than Jericho, but it's damn close.
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explain your logic please. Tell me why Austin is #2? He had ALOT of catch phrases. His KOTR promo was epic everyone will say so. But if you look at him as a hole every promo became the same. He had to get in each line. Rock was the same in a way but The Rock did different shit each time. The Rock was "entertaining" he took the camera and he ran with it like no other guy could.

I personally would love to see a "prime" version of Jake Roberts vs. CM Punk...those two would tear each other apart with different styles. I'd be poetry.

Piper is Piper and he DEFINED the ability to talk. What you see him now is not a factor.

Guys like HBK...I'm the biggest HBK homer in the world I'll admit. But he was average when needed to be. When he was allowed to let loose and talk OOC HBK was the best heel in the game. That guy tore Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan apart.

But in general I think my top 5 stands.
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Not too sure about the old guys and I haven't watched in a while, but my list would include:

The Rock
Chris Jericho
Edge
Stone Cold
HBK

Edge is a complete homer pick though, but he was always entertaining. Probably enjoyed it more than other people cause he was my favorite wrestler.
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Shawn Winters,Jun 26 2011
10:31 PM
explain your logic please. Tell me why Austin is #2?

Mainly just personal preference. I'm not trying to smash, diss or otherwise dismiss the Rock. As I said, he was hilarious, charismatic, and could work a crowd like no other, but I'd consider him more the top 'Showman' or 'Entertainer' in wrestling rather than the top 'Stick-Man.' Austin I have at #2 because aside from all that "What?!" bullshit he started up, Austin was very much along the lines of a Roberts, or a JBL, or a Harley Race or even 'old-school veteran,' which you know I prefer, since Mitchell is the same way.

Austin was very to the point. Even his catch-phrases focused around one thing, and one thing only: that he was too tough for you to put down. It didn't matter who you were, where you came from, who you ran with, what you thought of yourself, none of it, Austin would take two sentences, completely expose you, then drive home the point that he was tougher than you, a badder ass than you, and he was going to kick your damn teeth in.

Very Roberts-like, in the fact that he didn't go overboard. Rock was a Hogan/Warrior/Savage-type, he embellished, he was colorful, he was flamboyant; Austin was more the blue-collar, hard-nosed, cold facts-type. And that just appeals to me more.

So, mainly just that. I'm not gonna' sit here and rip anyone's Top-5 apart, but I'll argue my points just like anyone else. You like The Rock, Pugh likes Cena and the Miz, I don't care for either one, personally, but I can understand why a lot of people would: they're all entertaining and deserving of recognition, no matter whose list it's on. :)
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In no particular order.

Ric Flair... hands down most entertaining when he got going.

Chris Jericho.. classic. One of a kind.

Piper.. enough said.

Mick Foley... a bit of a bias but his emotional promos were always top notch.

The Rock.. I only give him this spot because I have often found myself going back and watching some of his classic promos and just remembering them almost line for line. I do that with Jericho from time to time. But The Rock was more lasting in my own mind.
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I'm just saying ur "logic" makes little sense because The Rock and Austin had the same "writers" so to say The Rock wasn't as good for having writers but saying Austin was great isn't an opinion it's an assumption. wrestlers have writers and you have no reason to believe that some use them and some dont so to hold Rock lower than Austin because of said writers makes no sense.
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Foley ... yeah, I can back that one. Never cared much for his 'wrestling,' but whenever he got hold of a mic -As- Mick Foley and not one of his 'faces,' it was REALLY hard not to love the guy. He just drew you in with how much he loved what he did, seriously.

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Kurt Angle, Christian or Bobby Heenan, yet.

Heenan, especially, I mean c'mon! ...handing "The Brain" a microphone is like handing Babe Ruth a baseball bat, the man was BORN to hold one of those in his hands!
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Bobby Heenan was the best manager but he had a short sample. Kurt Angle? Was decent nothing more. Was an awesome wrestler and decent on the mic not great.

Christian...he has in great on the mic but the verdict is still out on him
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Shawn Winters,Jun 26 2011
11:02 PM
so to hold Rock lower than Austin because of said writers makes no sense.

The 'writers,' whether they exist or not, was only a small part of it. That's why I pointed out I also thought Austin was better at presenting his material. His carriage, his intensity, his development of the character through his dialogue.

Shit, c'mon, Murph, Austin v. Rock has been argued for HOW many years?! ...it's like the Hogan v. Piper of our age, man. There's just as many people who will swear up and down on a stack of bibles that Austin was better than Rock, as there are who SWEAR Rock was the better talker. In truth, it's probably a tie that all comes down to personal opinion.

Just like that 'debate' we had before about Pacino and De Niro. They're equals, almost exact equals, and the only thing that seperates them is the person comparing them.

Rock was phenominal, Austin was phenominal; so in the end, it all comes down to who the individual feels was better at playing their character. Kind of like what Olek goes through judging a close match. To me, it was Austin, to you, it was Rock. It's an impasse, bru.
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People look at it a certain way.

HBK handed the torch off to Austin.

Austin held it while handing it over to The Rock.

Rock held it after Austin. Rock became the biggest guy in the sports entertainment

Next generation was HHH/HBK...and then Benoit and Angle...
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This is just my top five cause I liked them when I heard them in the ring, they kept me entertained in the 90s:

1) The Rock
2) Chris Jericho
3) Austin
4) Shawn Michaels / Triple H - TOGETHER (they just work magic as DX lol imo)
5) John Cena as a heel, lol yeah he was hella funny to me - that's just me I guess

Actually you can put CM Punk in there somewhere like a my 3.5 lol anybody got the link to Stephanie McMahon and Kurt Angle making out then him getting hit by a sledgehammer by HHH a day later in a PPV? >_< I was actually looking for that video.
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"Bad" Billy Mitchell,Jun 26 2011
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Shawn Winters,Jun 26 2011
10:31 PM
explain your logic please. Tell me why Austin is #2?


So, mainly just that. I'm not gonna' sit here and rip anyone's Top-5 apart, but I'll argue my points just like anyone else. You like The Rock, Pugh likes Cena and the Miz, I don't care for either one, personally, but I can understand why a lot of people would: they're all entertaining and deserving of recognition, no matter whose list it's on. :)



Well like I said, I'm a lot younger than you guys and therefore I based my list off people I've grown up watching. Personally I don't like Cena just because every program he is is the same and his promos are childish. However I also know that when Cena isn't trying to make third grade jokes and when he's actually cutting a serious promo, he's one of the best in WWE.

And then Miz is my favorite currently because one he's from Cleveland :) And also I find his promos entertaining. Now granted many compare his work to Jericho and that's fair but I believe he's one of the best on the mic currently.

To me, I've always loved the Rock promos just because he was just so funny. Although he had his promos written for him I still believe if you like the Rock go to the ring and just talk about random stuff he would still be awesome. He just had it.

I'll agree with Mitchell, Austin was straight to the point and that's kinda why I liked his promos. He says nothing fancy, all he does is call you names and then threatens to kick your ass. Simple but good.

Angle's awesome too because he has versatility. No matter what he does, he's just great.

Punk to me is the best talker in wrestling today because he consistently cuts great promos week in and week out His ROH about on Raven about Straight Edge is truly an epic promo. His SES promos were awesome as was when he was talking during the RR 10. Punk is the best. Enough said.
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NO NO NO NO NO

stop with the bullshit. People are saying Rock had writers as his downfall. Ok...if thats true everyone has that same downfall. The Rock delivered more than anyone could imagine. The argument of writers douse not count.

Anyone that makes that argument is dumb...
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Shawn Winters,Jun 26 2011
11:21 PM
...and then Benoit and Angle...

@Shorty: I second heel Cena, back when he had some random rap to slap down on his opponent. They always got him over, and I mean WAY over.

@Pugh: Hey, you go with who you know, man, so don't even sweat it. Unless you're an old man like me, Murph, Olek, Doug, Gold, Cherry, etc, you probably recognize a few of the names we could throw out, like Rude, Orndorff, Muraco, etc. You grew up in the now generation, so don't be ashamed to throw out your favs, we won't razz you for it. B)

@Murph: I will go to my grave defending Benoit. (He had brain trauma, skull trauma, mental disorders, etc. He had NO CLUE what he was doing). But, that's a whole 'nother argument; I don't know if I'd include him in any of these lists, though. Benoit, honestly, had no mic skill. None. He was, (I will argue), the greatest technical wrestler to ever grace the ring, and I'm including names like Flair, the Brisco Brothers, Tito Santana, the Harts, Regal, pick a name, I will ALWAYS say Benoit was better. But he sucked on the stick. "Prove Me Wrong" was the closest he ever got to sounding good on a mic, but his big thing was being this silent assassin who just whipped your ass from one end of the ring to the next.

Unless you meant he and Angle were the next big 'rivalry,' in which case I'd say you were absolutely right. Benoit/Angle was ALWAYS a five-star pairing in my opinion. The match he had with Bret in honor of Owen back in WCW was damned good, too.
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By the way, why has no-one mentioned the greatest promo artist of all time?

AHMED JOHNSON!!!!

"Mmugoophoo! I'mma'stomp'a'you'fool! I'mm'a'smash'a'you'fool! I'mm'a'ahmed'a'johnson'fool! RRAAAAARRRRGGGH!!!"

GOD, that guy was bad... couldn't talk, couldn't wrestle, couldn't promote himself ...I honestly think Great Khali, Mark Henrey and "throat mic" Kane could all out-promo Ahmed. :blink:
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New Age Outlaws. They really gave this name a meaning both on the mic and in the ring. Two great "mid-level" talents who could pull off a great match and were great on the mic as well.
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Shawn Winters,Jun 27 2011
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NO NO NO NO NO

stop with the bullshit. People are saying Rock had writers as his downfall. Ok...if thats true everyone has that same downfall. The Rock delivered more than anyone could imagine. The argument of writers douse not count.

Anyone that makes that argument is dumb...

I agree with what he says.
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Fixing to watch some wrestling stuff on Youtube thanks to this thread. Haven't watched any in like 2 years. o.O
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1) Rock, He isn't the most electrfiying man in sports entertainment for nothing. Even when talking about the faces today, no one can get a reaction still like the Rock imo.

2) CM Punk, He's just awesome full stop when ever he talks. His early stuff from RoH was just gold, damn shame WWE is PG cause I could imagine punk at #1 otherwise.

3) Raven, I didn'tt really appreicate Raven until I started watching the early TNA stuff to be honest. Then I looked back at all the old WCW and ECW stuff and he really was amazing.

4) Flair, I love the old guy and before he dies I want to get his autograph one way or another. Everytime he speaks I make sure to listen cause when he goes apeshit he's full of win.

5) Early 3:16 Austin was amazing, much like the KotR promo he cut which basically made Stone Cold. But later on the whole "What" thing although started out good, got dry so fucking fast imo. At least when he's around now even with the fans chanting What all the time, he's more likethe old Austin.

Honorable Mentions in no particular order: Heyman (how no one mention him?) Angle, Triple H, Vince McMahon (sue me he can work a crowd no matter what lol), HBK prolly more but my brain is still waking up.)
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1. Stone Cold Steve Austin
2. Vince McMahon
3. Ric Flair
4. Mick Foley
5. Nick Bockwinkel

Honourable Mentions: Shawn Michaels, The Rock, CM Punk, Triple H, Roddy Piper, Bobby Heenan and because no one thinks of him, but he had a very specific style that worked GREAT for him: Harley Race.

And I based it on one thing....if they talked, I listen. If they were talking 15 minutes later, I was still listening.
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