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| How to make a Monster; A Beginners Guide to Ryback | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 2 2012, 07:47 AM (372 Views) | |
| St. Claire | Nov 2 2012, 07:47 AM Post #1 |
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Ryan Reeves (Ryback), hasn't been around for long (although it's been longer than you might think) but he's already one of my favourite wrestlers. He isn't a technical wrestler, he hasn't got great mic skills. But every time he makes an appearance he sends shivers down your spine. He is truly the last man on Earth you'd want to meet at the end of a dark alleyway. He's a juiced up combination of Goldberg and Brock Lesnar sporting airsprayed Rob Van Dam tights. I find it hilarious when he steps in the ring and the crowd starts chanting "Goldberg". He's a throwback to the days of a simpler wrestling world, when retarded gimmicks and backstories weren't a necessity. This is a great article detailing what lead up to his meteoric rise through WWE. Just if anyone is interested; read this: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/854989...ining-hell-cell Interesting facts; - He started off on Tough Enough, with Mike "The Miz" Mizanin (who later won it). - He was tag team partners in the WWE Development program with former World Heavyweight Champion "Sheamus" |
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| Ace | Nov 2 2012, 04:56 PM Post #2 |
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Ironically his gimmick is being a retard. |
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| Team Desire | Nov 2 2012, 05:02 PM Post #3 |
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Daniel Puder won the Tough Enough that Miz was apart of. I think that is what happened |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Nov 2 2012, 06:08 PM Post #4 |
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Yup, and then he was Skip Sheffield on NXT Season 1. Joined them when they became Nexus...then got injured before Nexus broke up. Ever since he came back, he's been saying "FEED. ME. MORE. :CTface:" |
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| Shawn Winters | Nov 2 2012, 07:09 PM Post #5 |
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I just want to say to any Ryback fans I don't mean to offend. That was a very good article and kind of interesting at points. I love Grantland.com such a good site as I've been a fan of Bill Simmons for years with his BS Report Podcast and him putting together that site with Joe House and others is awesome. My problem with Ryback is why? I don't understand what this interest is in him. He's nothing more than the same rehashed gimmick that WWE does with every debuting big guy who comes into the main roster. I mean it's the same thing over, and over, and over again. Shall we take a look at some of the brilliant names who have done this? Snitsky, Mordecai, Brodus Clay, Tensai, Mike Knox, Sheamus, now Ryback. It's the same template for each person that comes on that gives Vince a roid boner. They debut squash a jobber do the same for a month, then squash people in handicap matches give us nothing original or we haven't seen before and then gets pushed to the main event only to fizzle out later. Only one who stayed was Sheamus and hell if I know why he's over. For the low standard I hold for bigger guys who can work I would guess he's above average with Taker being the bar. But anyways, this whole Ryback thing we've seen countless times and that guy wants to say that it brings you back to your childhood of the Ultimate Warrior? No, sorry but when I think of my childhood with wrestling I think of the Mr. Perfect's, Jake Roberts', Bret Hart's, Shawn Michaels', Randy Savage's, not someone who loses my attention after you stop caring about all the shiny colors. I'm an old school wrestling fan who enjoys a good promo, enjoys a good match. Ryback does none of these things so whenever he comes on the TV much like I do with John Cena I fast forward through it. One thing to note is there is no good way for this to end. With Ryback that is. Because the end game for Goldberg failed. Now hear me out you WCW fanboys and Goldberg lovers. I was never a fan of his same reason I'm not a fan of any of these new ideas of this. But the beginning of Goldberg was a huge hit with the fans. They loved it however it got to the point where WCW was left asking themselves "what now?" He's got the belt. He's undefeated. How can we possibly have him lose without creating a frenzy? Fact is you can't. When you're entire gimmick is based on that type of streak and dominance once he's lost that mystique is gone. Goldberg was still popular after he lost but never to the extent of what he was. They tried turning him heel to recreate the Hogan turn and then he comes to WWE for that awful short lived run. Fact is people wanted to see the undefeated Goldberg again but that wouldn't fly in the WWE as they'd run into the same problem WWE did with him. "What Now?" So what did WWE do? Basically the same thing WCW did but sooner. WCW used a tazer, WWE used a sledgehammer. The way I see it, the same thing is going to happen to Ryback. The one thing good about Goldberg was he worked his way through people. Ryback got put right into the WWE title picture at HIAC and WWE was left asking themselves how the hell can they make him lose? It's going to be an issue for them and to be honest I'd much rather devote my attention to someone who has more to offer than a one dimensional gimmick with no good matches. |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Nov 2 2012, 07:49 PM Post #6 |
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They could afford to give Ryback more down the line. Maybe train him up on how to do some good promos, then repackage him and give him his own identity. He wasn't the WORST on NXT, that's for sure. #lolMichaelTarver :lol: |
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| St. Claire | Nov 3 2012, 12:26 PM Post #7 |
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@Shawn If Ryback has the same gimmick with no backstory and no mic time in six months then I will share your opinion completely. But Ryback has been a necessity for the WWE over the past few weeks, especially those leading up to Survivor Series. The WWE needed a superstar frightening enough to be a believable threat to CM Punk's championship reign, whilst at the same time not cutting into John Cena's crappy (but profitable) promo's and mic time. Ryback is a gigantic rehash of old superstars, but none of the wrestlers you named. I like Ryback because he can well and truly command the attention of the entire crowd without saying a word. That's something that not many superstars have ever been able to do. He's the lovechild of Goldberg and Brock Lesnar that wears a set of airbrushed Rob Van Dam tights. He isn't a great technical wrestler, but none of the top face's in WWE seem to be these days, but he walks out each week, and he can create hype and excitement better than nearly any superstar on the roster, but he only says three words. Tensai, The Great Khali and the rest of the silent giants don't have what Ryback has. I guess you can call it an 'X-Factor'. |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Nov 3 2012, 01:15 PM Post #8 |
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Not just 3. He knows 7! ![]() "FEED. ME. MORE." "FEED. ME. PUNK." 'FINISH IT!" "DONE!"
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| Ace | Nov 4 2012, 06:52 AM Post #9 |
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Brock Lesnar was actually capable of having good matches. Something Ryback should consider looking into. Being big doesn't make him an awesome competitor. He obviously can't cut a promo. At this point they might as well just stick a helmet on his head and send him out screaming "GIMME CHOCOLATE MILK!" At least then he'd be entertaining. |
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| Shawn Winters | Nov 4 2012, 07:54 AM Post #10 |
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LOL, that reminds me of my Alberto Del Rio diarrhea gimmick, at least then he'd be entertaining |
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| The Renegade Rocker | Nov 15 2012, 12:25 AM Post #11 |
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*hannibal looks around for a helmet...but can't find one Going to haveto agree with St. Claire and say I'm gonna admit that I find Ryback entertaining. Shawn, excellent point on the past monsters. But lets not forget that the success they enjoyed as being "the next big thing" was hardly shortlived. Lesnar, Goldberg, Stnizky, Heindenrich, Great Khali all had decent size careers in an industry that can kick you out in the blink of an eye. To us, a couple of months, even a couple of years is nothing. But for those that have to fight with everything to keep their job in the leader of their profession, all of these guys really did have good careers. Sure, they may not be main eventers after the novelty wears off. The exception being Brock of course. But they still are a)under contract and used on tv.Lets face it, anytime you are a monster, you run the risk of being thrown to the curb. That one dimension personalty makes it so that you cant lose a match otherwise you end up losing the fear aspect. "Oh no one can beat him because..." goes away and what are you left with? You look at the guys like Yokozuna, The Big Show, Undertaker, all the giants/monsters that were able to find another aspect of their characters were able to maintain a monster like/imposing aura but could still lose matches. And they lasted. The best example, other then taker, of this is Kane. He has such a perfect relationship with the fans. Think about it. When he is doing the comedy bit, everyone buys it and loves how hilarous it is to see the big red machine having to deal with this shit. The "Hell No" Gimmick is a perfect example. Yet, if tomorrow on the show, he went back to be a monster and killing anything that passed in front of him, we'd all buy it. That entrance music we use to cheer would once again send chills down our spines! We would all be thinking that shit was gonna hit the fan. Other superstars, like taker and show can do the same but not to the extent of Kane. I guess what I am saying is Ryback has been given a similar opportunity as his predecessors were given. If he wants to make himself invaluable to the WWE, he needs to develop the rest of his characters. Find more to be then just a monster. |
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| "Bad" Billy Mitchell | Nov 24 2012, 11:25 PM Post #12 |
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I have to side with Murph on this. Guys like Ryback are a -LARGE- part of the reason I stopped watching pro-wrestling. (Shitty writing being the other factor). Ryback is not a monster. He's not intimidating. He doesn't inspire any reaction in me what-so-ever. I honestly couldn't care less when he shows up or I hear his name. And that's something that will never, (...eeeeeeeeeeeever), change, unless he learns to up his game. And I don't mean just a tweak here or there, I mean RAMP it up to the nth degree. Perfect examples of 'Monsters' are guys who send shivers down your spine. Even when you -know- it isn't real, it doesn't matter. They have the ability, either through their in-ring work, or just their very presence to leave you swallowing in the back of your throat. Heidenreich. Khali. Snitsky. All the same thing as Ryback, Batista and Mark Henry. Over-bloated, muscled-bound, adle-brained idiots who knew they could make a career out of just standing there since big muscles supposedly equals scary and ominous. I wouldn't even call Taker, (much of a fan-boy that I am), the perfect example of a monster. He comes damn close, but most of Taker's 'monster-ness' comes from his, in my opinion, unmatched ability to suck you in. The death knell, the slow march, the fact that he never blinks during his entrance, (and in the old days, always hid his blinks so it looked like he went the whole match with that stare), and just commands the respect and attention of the crowd. When I think 'monster,' some of the names to my mind are Vader, Stan Hansen, Andre, Lesnar (in his early days, like RIGHT after his debut), Bigelow and Mankind, (again, in his early days). I say Mankind because being a 'monster' isn't about size. That's a popular trait, yes, but a 'monster' is simply someone who, like I said, sends that shudder down your spine; and even the die-hards, I think, would agree that when Foley first showed up as Mankind, with the squealing, the masochistic behavior, the creepy promos, the piano theme and everything else, he didn't just make you uneasy, he scared the shit out of you! Andre, and even Big John Studd are perfect examples of what Ryback is -Supposed- to be, according to WWE idiocy: Hulking masses of unmovable strength. Giants, basically. The main difference is, Studd and Andre were well and truly terrifying. Ryback isn't. Guys like Bigelow and Lesnar are another example of what makes a 'monster,' in the fact that they weren't just muscle. They could wrestle, and do a damned good job of it. In fact, I'll throw Sid and Nash in this category, too. Before he got older, Nash could do a hell of a job in the ring. Just look at his title match with Taker. And Sid was LONG before his time in that he wasn't just powerful and a solid technician, he could deliver a truly chilling promo when he wanted to. These were guys who could not only break you in half, but could probably out-move and out-think you throughout the match as well. Sheamus fits into this category as well. I have to disagree with Murphy on that much. He's very solid for his style, quick on his feet and when they let his temper well and truly 'flare up,' it adds another level of unease to his already impressive character. Vader and Hansen are obvious 'monsters' just for the intimidation factor. Hansen had broken two men's necks, and hit Vader so hard his eye literally expoded from the socket. (That's a true story, fully reported. If Vader hadn't worn his mask, he would have lost the eye). And Vader's stiffness is almost legend. On top of that, both men were frighteningly fast, (and in Vader's case, agile), for their size. Maybe they couldn't out-wrestle you like Lesnar or Bigelow, but they could certainly keep up. The easiest defense against power is supposed to be speed - only these guys were just as fast as you. THOSE are the kind of qualities that make monsters. Monsters are supposed to scare you. They're supposed to make you feel sorry for the poor sap in the ring. They're supposed to leave you sitting there, jaw dropped, eyes wide, wondering how in the hell something like that could ever come into creation. Guys like Ryback, Goldberg, Batista, Tensei/Albert and the others? Piss-poor attempts at mockery and rehashing. Failed ones, at that. tl;dr </rant> |
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| St. Claire | Nov 25 2012, 12:01 AM Post #13 |
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Woah, woah, woah... I'm not afraid to admit that if Ryback wanted to fight me, I'd throw my purse at him and piss all over my dress, and you shouldn't be afraid to admit it either. Honestly I'd run like a cub scout from a pedophile's van. |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Nov 25 2012, 12:26 AM Post #14 |
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But...but....but what about Umaga? ![]() RIP Mr. Fatu
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| "Bad" Billy Mitchell | Nov 25 2012, 05:04 PM Post #15 |
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Big muscles don't intimidate me, but that's probably because I've been trained, specifically, to bring guys like that down. I cite Mir v. Lesnar 1 as a perfect example. Or how guys like Nogeria, Franklin and Diaz consistently bring down much heavier opponents. It's all about how and where you attack, and the confidence you have in yourself -about- the attack. @Jay - I honestly liked the Umaga character. I think it was a step in the right direction, but Fatu, himself, just didn't have the skill to make it truly terrifying. Now when Joe went 'tribal,' HE scared me, because again, you know Joe is already twice the wrestler his opponent is. You give him that primal mean streak / bloodlust and holy ****! |
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| Stacy Kissinger | Nov 25 2012, 05:06 PM Post #16 |
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JOE'S GONNA KILL YOU!
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| "Bad" Billy Mitchell | Nov 25 2012, 05:12 PM Post #17 |
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Damn right! :lol: I can't remember if it was Styles or Shelley, but when he went after someone with that frickin' machete or whatever it was he was carrying around, I honestly thought he -WAS- gonna' kill him! |
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| Lo-Drew | Nov 25 2012, 05:22 PM Post #18 |
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You know what i think? I have no problem with the Ryback. Don't get me wrong, i'm not too keen on him in the main event this early. I thought him winning the IC or US title would be good for him at this stage. However I have no problem with WWE pushing him. Yeah he's the typical big dude but you have to give WWE credit, they have gotten Ryback really over. Which is the way you're suppose to do it. In theory and somewhat in practice, WWE has done an excellent job getting him over with the crowd. Now people are craping on Ryback in the main event and I can understand that I guess. However I think people need to realize the bigger picture. Remember people, Ryback wasn't supposed to main event Hell in a Cell. John Cena was and when he got hurt, WWE needed a plan B. So they stuck in Ryback. Ryback was the Plan B. That's not a good thing. Who's fault is that? WWE. To me the biggest problem in WWE is that no one's made to be a big deal anyone other than Cena and the Waffle House Cook who so happens to be the Best in the World. No one else on the main roster has been built up to that level where they could reasonable get a World title shot. That's why I've said Punk kinda has to carry the title to Mania by default because who has been built up and realistically beat Punk? Not Barrett. Not Rhodes(and everyone knows my opinion on Rhodes). Not Del Rio. Not Kofi. No one other than Cena, Rock, Ryback, Daniel Bryan(based off of sheer popularity) or Sheamus(simply because he's the World champ and if they wanted to unify the titles). At least with Ryback they are making him a big deal however I think the hate towards Ryback is mis-directed. If you hate Ryback in the main event, just remember he's not in the main event because WWE wants to shove him down our throats. He's there because the creative team hasn't put in enough time to build others and so when the options were limited, they went with the hottest thing. |
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| "Bad" Billy Mitchell | Nov 25 2012, 05:31 PM Post #19 |
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That's what happens when... (A) - You buy out the only real competition you had, negating any and all reason for your creative teams to use their imaginations or exhibit effort of any kind. (B) - Your roster knows of [A], and therefore knows they can coast through, playcating to the fans, doing the minimal amount of work and still get the big bucks, all the merchandising rights and TV time they want. Seriously, almost as soon as the 'Attitude Era' died and McMahon bought WCW, you could almost see WWF/E just taking a nose-dive. With the exception of guys like Bryan, Punk, Del Rio, Rhodes, Christian, Kofi and a few others, there's almost no -solid- talent in the company anymore. Cena and Shaemus can put on good matches with the right opponets, but I'd still consider them too inconsistent to call 'reliable' talent. |
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| Lo-Drew | Nov 25 2012, 05:38 PM Post #20 |
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Saying because we bought out our competition so that's why our product is stale is somewhat of a cop-out. I like to think you can still have an entertaining product without competition. |
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| "Bad" Billy Mitchell | Nov 25 2012, 05:54 PM Post #21 |
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Of course you can. But there's a reason NXT and OVW and things like that wind up getting more mention on message boards and other forums - they produce. WWE doesn't. Unless we're talking about proven workers like Punk, you almost never go into a WWE PPV or broadcast expecting to see an awesome match. Back during the 'Monday Night Wars,' though, you'd see 4-5 solid matches per show, Nitro -and- RAW. You also had better storylines going on, because the creative teams had to figure out how to keep people's attention. WCW ran the nWO angle, and WWF countered with D-Generation X. WCW had the Cruiserweight Division catching fire, so WWF responded with Dudley Boyz, Edge and Christian and the Hardy Boyz. WCW started throwing Hogan and Piper at each other with Bischoff joining the nWo; WWF fired back with the whole Austin/McMahon war. (which I think is what clinched it for WWF in the long run. WAY more than D-X ever could have). I agree, you don't -need- competition to produce solid work, but having something to both motivate and challenge you is what always fosters your best stuff. Hell, look right here in SCW. You get matched up, and your opponent no-shows; you can still write some damn good stuff. But it won't be anything like what you could put out if you had something on the other side constantly raising the bar and forcing you to get better. Without any real 'threat' to their ratings, the WWE team's just gotten flat-out lazy, period. They have nothing. That's how you end up with garbage like Del Rio's diareah, Goldust's terrets (sp?) and the whole Mark Henry/Mae Young thing. Even the whole SES thing with Punk and Gallows had to come from Punk himself. |
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| Team Desire | Nov 25 2012, 06:43 PM Post #22 |
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Monday Nights are ratings war for all the major networks now. All the top notch shows are thrown on Monday nights. CBS comedies, NBC The Voice/Revoltuion, ABC Dancing with the Stars and Fox had House and then Football rolls around. There might be no wrestling competition, but there is still television. |
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| The Real Speed | Nov 25 2012, 07:15 PM Post #23 |
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I find it funny that everyone romanticizes the Attitude Era yet forgets that most people went and watched WCW's first hour then tuned into the last hour of RAW. Take off your nostalgia glasses and actually watch the product they put out. WWE's under card today is better than WWF's had. Mean Street Posse anyone? |
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