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| Topic Started: Feb 27 2017, 11:39 AM (193 Views) | |
| The Matt | Feb 27 2017, 11:39 AM Post #1 |
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I admit that I am more than just slightly lazy. I own up to it. But this isn't just me being lazy. The more that I think of it, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I am referring to plagiarism. Yes, it's wrong and illegal. I get it and agree, you should give credit where credit is due when quoting someone else's work. But when you do quote, even in academic settings, what's the big deal behind all of the damnable rules for HOW to cite? Taking APA format for example:
Why the fuck do you even need publisher city and state? Why do you even need publisher? All you really need to give proper credit where credit is due is AUTHOR, TITLE, YEAR. That's it. And why the fuck does it matter if the title of the work is in italics or not? If Was quotes me, and tries to use APA format, but accidentally forgets to put the title of my work in italics, I am NOT going to sue him because of the lack of italics. I wouldn't give a damn if the title of my work was in italics or not. I just would not care if I were an author. What is the real world application behind this beyond just simply stating "because that's what they ask for"... AUTHOR: you need it because we need to know who wrote it. TITLE OF THE WORK: We need it because we need to know what book or article you are quoting. YEAR OF PUBLICATION: I can even see this as necessary because its easier to identify specifically which book and track it down if we know year. Does title being in italics help? NO! Just NO! Someone please help me understand this before I lose my mind. My boss at the college wants me to start counting off for incorrect citation but I never counted off before, because I do not believe a universal method of citation is necessary. Just give me the name of the work, the name of the author, and the year of publication, and that SHOULD be sufficient if you ask me. |
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| HardyGirl | Feb 27 2017, 12:08 PM Post #2 |
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Because it's proper grammar. It has nothing to do with the citation. Works like books, magazines, newspapers, etc are supposed to be italicized. Articles, songs, poems, etc, smaller works go in quotations. I learned this in elementary school English class. |
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| Mr. D | Feb 27 2017, 12:13 PM Post #3 |
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Allow the Future Dr. Olek to help out here as I am big on citation style and in History, we use the most ornery of styles, Chicago style (it is also the best. Anyone who says otherwise is a horrible person). Location of publication and publisher matter because especially for more famous works, but also with major publishers, it is possible to have multiple different versions of the same book. Sometimes European and North American versions are not only different in name, but page number. Different publishers have different styles and some publishing companies do this to share costs or to offset costs. Take the Penguin Books for example. If you have a famous work of Voltaire, for example, Penguin has one set of page numbers. Another publisher has a different one. Where it's published, it can actually cause the page numbers of shift because of differences in publishing and copyright or even formatting. It's annoying, but it's necessary. I say this also because different editions matter (and I have some books on my bookshelf that show this). You also need that information for one more useful reason - There is one historian in the history of the First World War that has published two different books under the same main title (Subtitles differ). Having that extra information ensures the correct source is cited. As for italics and formatting, a lot of that is seemingly unnecessary, but also reflects a degree of care by the writer. It also prevents issues like for what I have. Sometimes individual political parties are the authors. Italics or underlining ensures a clear differentiation between the author, the title and even the publisher. It's again not only to have the information and proper attribution; its for easy referral by readers to the correct source. Now to be fair, if a student has the information and formatting is off, I'll correct it and as long as there's a good faith effort to get most of it there, I'll warn them and move on. But all of the steps have a reason. The thing is that also including all of that information can help determine whether they ACTUALLY read the book or not (as I have found out. Long story short, if you're in an area I know well, don't try it. I have tracked down students who had full citations and had wrong page numbers, wrong information and it was because they falsified them or they made it up in one case - this is a problem when I not only know the works well, but own some of the books on my bookshelf). Hope this helps.
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| Jake Starr | Feb 27 2017, 12:43 PM Post #4 |
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Screw you! APA, asshole! |
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| Cornerstone | Feb 27 2017, 02:11 PM Post #5 |
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| Jake Starr | Feb 27 2017, 02:20 PM Post #6 |
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G just made my point even more ironclad... Thank you! |
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| The Matt | Feb 27 2017, 03:38 PM Post #7 |
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Olek gets it. I learned it in English class. Never questioned it then. Now I'm questioning it because the college is stupid lol. Though I do understand Oleks point, italics put emphasis. But why not an underline? Or a superscript? Also why a colon? I prefer semicolon. They're cooler lol |
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| The Matt | Feb 27 2017, 03:51 PM Post #8 |
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But yeah Olek explained most of the "why" to me. I still don't get the "why" regarding formatting and punctuation. All hail the semicolon! Now I just have to figure out a way to change my assignments spas to eliminate all assignments that might require quotes and citations |
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| Mr. D | Feb 27 2017, 06:56 PM Post #9 |
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No semi-colons. 95% of people don't use it correctly as is! And technically, underlining and italics can be used interchangeably in most citation styles. Italics is likely preferred for aesthetics. Regardless, if one uses one over the other, then consistency is required. And Ian, you're still wrong and a horrible person. And it's Chicago...therefore, I bring you to defend Chicago..... THE LEGION OF DOOM!
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| Jake Starr | Feb 27 2017, 11:10 PM Post #10 |
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One of yours is dead... Both of mine are alive... And mine celebrate diversity... YOU'RE WRONG! |
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