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| Topic Started: May 5 2017, 03:16 AM (138 Views) | |
| Ace | May 5 2017, 03:16 AM Post #1 |
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I was having this discussion with a friend in relations to comparing efeding to the wrestling business in real life. I was wondering what people see being different when you compare the two entities. It was a fun discussion and just food for thought. |
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| EyeYoshi | May 5 2017, 04:42 AM Post #2 |
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Biggest take away for me is the Men vs Women. It happens in reality but definitely not as much as it does in efedding now. I forget when it happened too because back in the day there generally wasn't women competing for world titles unless it was an all female wrestling fed. |
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| Ace | May 5 2017, 04:47 AM Post #3 |
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Definitely a big one. The biggest thing I was looking at was how wrestling in an efed is treated like UFC in the sense everything is real, yet we stick with the wrestling angles. So it's like wrestling back in the 80s, except well, even in cds and such it's life or death. Your honor and pride is on the line, lol. The only time it was ever acknowledged in how wrestling is in reality was when ole posted the CHBK DVD. |
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| DavidHelms | May 5 2017, 06:26 AM Post #4 |
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I actually tossed around an idea last year on the chatzy, of a character that's based in the kayfabe notion, where his life away from the camera is revolved entirely around how real wrestling actually works, so he's wanting to talk to others backstage about spots they could do in matches and being upset that management had booked him to lose the previous week etc etc, but I ultimately decided it wouldn't fly because as a collective, we all treat kayfabe as legit, like UFC as you said. |
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| Ace | May 5 2017, 06:30 AM Post #5 |
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Was I there? If so I stole your idea proudly.
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| DavidHelms | May 5 2017, 07:29 AM Post #6 |
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lol! I dunno, but I'm going to say yes just because I like credit
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| Dazz | May 5 2017, 08:33 AM Post #7 |
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I've been wanting to do something like that for years but couldn't because I'd be running my own private angle feds for my own sanity (I'd lost my passion for RPing in 2012, never really recovered but am absolutely full of ideas constantly) so CDs wouldn't work in that environment and as you said, in RP feds, people take kayfabe way too seriously to work in that kind of fed. I guess the closest was when I'd post my epics back in MCW in 2009, where it'd be 3-4 sections and each section would be 8-12 pages of Word at the very least with two-three CD parts and my promo to end. There, I could make good use of metaphor and such and go all fantasy. Examples being: * Jay Williams claiming that Dazz was a "washed up puppet of Jacob Laymon's, considering you're the World champ and someone like me isn't" (or however it was worded by him), so I had a CD where Dazz found himself washed up on an unknown shoreline and wandering deep into the heart of a jungle before happening upon a tribe of people. Then the next CD was him being publicly executed by hanging because it felt like whatever he tried to do in character, it wasn't good enough for one person or another and it's like he was being vilified for being a veteran, for being labeled one of the greatest of all time, for standing up for MCW, etc. Then my promo, I did a puppet theatre thing to mock Jay's comments. * I did other parodies, like "Saving Private Ryan" for a War Games match in 2007, or "The Running Man" in 2009 for a 3 on 3 match in MCW (I think that was Dazz, Kayla Jones, Axl Evermore vs Lilith Evans, Nic Cagero, I forget who the third one was). * Similarly, my Delfino stuff was mostly fantasy and metaphor using actual dreams I'd had or whatever because he never spoke (he was secretly Dazz in a mask and in kayfabe, I didn't want to give the game away by having him talking, which is also why Vitriol never spoke because Delfino was the good side of him and Vitriol was the evil side....Plus the fact I was writing in a completely different style as him in secret in a futile attempt to earn respect from what I finally realised were egomaniacal, bullying dickheads who whined when they weren't pushed heavily or won matches and hated anybody who wasn't part of their clique). * As Ambrosia and Vitriol, I liked turning a tag team battle royal into a parody of Battle Royale or a tag match against Segador and "Golden Eagle" Eric Sailes into an almost Greek epic involving a fictional character called King Medinas trying to find the food of the gods to gain more power and turning the opponents into mythical creatures that needed to be overcome. * Likewise, my favourite of the "Vitriol Case Files" involved Ambrosia in hospital after Lilith Evans threw her from a stage and rather than being the dark-haired, psychotic "Harlequin of Hardcore" he knew, Vitriol saw her as the natural-blonde, almost vulnerable Amber Manning that she'd been born as. Complete with Ambrosia appearing in the mirror before stepping out of it and trying to assault the sleeping Amber and led to a wrestling match between the two personalities with Vitriol as the referee (until Amber pulled Ambrosia's head off during a camel clutch to signify that personality becoming dominant now). I dunno, I guess the closest to the "breaking kayfabe" thing was with Zack Stylez in GDW. The guy who'd handled his older brothers (New Age Degenerate and "The Only F'n Show" Jason Stylez, for anyone who was around in the 90s-mid 2000s and knows of him) let me use Zack and I wrote him as being a perpetual loser who'd been forced to follow in the footsteps of his dad, brothers and cousins and become a wrestler. He'd been bullied by them his whole life for being different, didn't want to wrestle but he'd done it for so long that it's all he knew, despite never winning a match or a championship in his 15 years in the business. It gave me the chance to use my real life depression to directly address the reader in his promos and talk about the futility of both life and the wrestling business, he openly talked about the inner machinations of the business, almost explaining it as though the reader had no idea how it all worked, how "the guy who claims he's the best is actually a jealous sociopath, too unnerved by his own mediocrity to do anything but live the lie he's convinced himself and the bookers", how he'd rather sit alone in the dark contemplating his worthless existence than figure out how he's going to lose the next match and using which spot. I'm sort of working with my best friend on a character she used to write where she basically only spoke in movie quotes, so she's now in one of my feds. We're also huge fans of Lucha Underground so she's helping me with a similar angle fed I started in 2013, where the promotion is based in a building that was constructed on top of a "nexus of realities" so we have barbarians, time travelers, immortal elves and the like. I guess the fact that it's not a totally serious "we're a real sport!" fed (but not a joke fed like Chikara in pro wrestling terms) helps the madness work out. I loved the Professor Murdercorpse stuff in C:NG for that reason, actually. I also recall planning some Jynkz ideas for this place, including Lexi giving her drugs and claiming it's candy and then Jynkz ends up thinking she's in a fantasy land hanging out with a giant teddy bear and skinny dipping in a lake of soda until the reveal is that she's still in the mall where Lexi had taken her shopping and the lake is a public fountain. Basically, the more serious everyone surrounding me gets with their own RPing, the more likely I am to be bored by it and do the opposite to amuse myself more than anything. I probably went way off the actual topic here but hey. |
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