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The Internationale Solidarität; A thread for suggestions and cooperation
Topic Started: Mar 15 2011, 08:37 PM (948 Views)
Neo-Sincostan
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After a small discussion with Osea, I have created a thread for a large-scale project that we intend to work on. The name of this project and probably the name of the resulting organisation will be The Internationale Solidarität (The International Solidarity). First, I will set out the basic idea I'm trying to establish here.

What this organisation, alliance, whatever you want to call it, is trying to create is a huge collective union of all the far left elements in NS, be it socialist, communist, syndicalist or even anarchist. What I mean by this is there will be not only member nations, but member regions and member organisations, including the Serovskaya pact. The Internationale Solidarität will not be exlusively a formal, diplomatic group or a mutual defensive pact, it will serve as a hybrid of both. The Internationale Solidarität is to be a strong coalition of the far left, purely FOR the far left. Even though it is a cliched goal, perhaps it may grow to be as powerful as the Steel Pact was in its day. However, the ultimate goal of the IS is the final unification of the left once and for all. An international solidarity.

Of course, trying to create such a project by myself would be a difficult task that would most likely end up without much fruition. Thats why I am requesting the aid of the Serovskaya first and foremost to help contribute to this idea. I will outline the current problems I am facing now:-

Firstly, I am in need of a good introductory description, summary and constitution/charter etc. for what the IS is. I could try and attempt to do it myself, but seeing even The Red Star Pact (an organisation I maintain) you will see I do not excel very well in such tasks. It would be greatly appreciated if somebody with experience wrote the aforementioned elements or even just gave suggestions what to include.

Another thing I need is a good set of rules. But I don't need standard generic rules. Being a unique idea, the IS needs asomewhat unique, progressive, new and innovative set of rules. One of the reasons is that I aim to limit the number of rules to a minimum. Why? Because each of the member entities of the IS is entitled to their own degree of freedom, and to impose barrier-like rules would ignore this. What I need is rules that try to solve problems that some rules create. For example, many organisations have a rule that prevents membering nations from going to war with each other. In The Red Star Pact, we have found a compromising solution, where member nations are not forbidden from warring with each other, but if they choose to do so the forfeit any intervention from the pact.

One recent issue I've uncovered is my dissatisfaction with my current symbol for the IS. Right now, it is such:- Posted Image
However, I feel the quality of this icon is inadequate, especially as it was poorly though-out and done in a rush. If anyone could come up with a better symbol or a detailed suggestion (I have a very good tool) it would be much appreciated. I'm looking for something grandieur that has themes of solidarity, union, the workers, freedom, strength etc.

Finally, any other major ideas or suggestions would be warmly welcomed. Maybe we need an offsite forum? A separate military branch? A news bulletin post? Anything else you can think of that will make this project greater.

Now you might be thinking, thats great and all, but how can I ensure this project will get off to a good start once it has launched?
I have already planned out an idea to promote interest in the group. I have set up a couple of lists of marked nations, organisations and regions to invite to the IS. When the IS is launched, a formal invitation to it will be sent to individual nations (in the form of a telegram), regions (via telegram to the regions founder/WA delegate etc or by RMB post) and a professional comminique for all the forum-based organisations and alliances. These are the lists of the marked/already involved so far:-

Nations
Neo-Sincostan
Osea 767
Abruzi
Cerod
Ea90
Vortim
Fjeld
GSSR
Capisaria
The Union of Myanmar
Post War America
Isla Duala
Greater Western Russia
PFGL
Martilia
Yuktova
Britannia and France
South East Europe
Hahklallah
Comorostan
Siberian_Peoples
Sebastianalandia
Robithia
Wolny Kraj
Frostaland
Consaria
Galenaima
Banjamos
Polska Rzczpolspolita
Vostria
Grandais
Solyhniya
Yanitza
British Kuwait
Phing Phong
Slakonian
Advancement of Man
Timpetotia
New Azura
Derpeda
DASHES
Seropa
North Orus
German Dudes
Noirec
Fidel Alejandro Castro
Immersia
Ryouese black islands
Strathy
Tang Pang
Loonaterian
Wewtlandem
Tia Regness
Milograd
Threlizdun
Power and Stability

(Keep in mind, these were just some random names picked from various organisations, regions etc. If you know any more to add, please let me know!)

Regions
New Licentia
New Union of Socialist Nations
USSR
UCSSR

(Pretty bare, I know. More needed!)

Organisations
The Serovskaya Pact
The Red Star Pact
CommUnite
COMCON
Confederation of Socialist States
Congress of Proletarian Parties
The Socialist Society
The Anarchist Federation
The Confederacy of Communist Nations
The Union of Soviet Republics
International Trotskyist Commune
Soviet Federation

(The usual)

So basically, thats it. Help me out here, and we can build this into something great, allright? Two final points:-
-Someone could help me set up a basic hierarchy structure, like an ideal elected council system or something.
-Someone perhaps could get to work on defining what we should and shouldn't accept into the IS. I know some of you might not take a liking, but I'm afraid authoritarian socialist states WILL be allowed to join. What I mean is what exactly do we accept? Is a social democracy accepted? Anarcho-capitalism? National syndicalists? etc. So basically what controversial political strains should we let into our ranks. So far the basic one we have (by default) are leftist anarchism, socialism, communism and syndicalism. On that note, we need more anarchist and syndicalist representation, so give me names. We have enough commies and socialists. :P
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As far as anarchists go, I think The Anarchist Federation is the only organization of its type. There aren't many RP active anarchist nations.

Why am I not on the list? D:<

(I kid, I kid)
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I've moved this to the NS discussion section. The suggestions section is meant for anyone to make suggestions regarding the improvement of this forum or other ideas they have that do not fit in other sections
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Mar 17 2011, 03:01 PM
As far as anarchists go, I think The Anarchist Federation is the only organization of its type. There aren't many RP active anarchist nations.

Why am I not on the list? D:<

(I kid, I kid)

I suppose, but we need to gather all the support we can get! Oh, I forgot :S I'll add you too! ;)
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This is just a quick reply and I'm sure I will have more points to add at a later time. For now, here is what I have to say.

. We are going to need structures to promote quality RPing across the board. An organisation with poor RPers in it tends to be taken less seriously by other RPers.

. We need unity. An organisation can be massive and yet will still be worthless if it suffers from internal conflict. We must therefore ensure that the ideological stance of your organisation is not one that allows for internal contradictions that could cause a breakup of the organisation.

. I wish to point out that COMCON is defunct as New Azura is not socialist.
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Yo, I bring the thunder, contributing both the USSR and the Union of Soviet Republics.

Making it known that I move both.
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Osea
Mar 20 2011, 03:23 PM
This is just a quick reply and I'm sure I will have more points to add at a later time. For now, here is what I have to say.

. We are going to need structures to promote quality RPing across the board. An organisation with poor RPers in it tends to be taken less seriously by other RPers.

. We need unity. An organisation can be massive and yet will still be worthless if it suffers from internal conflict. We must therefore ensure that the ideological stance of your organisation is not one that allows for internal contradictions that could cause a breakup of the organisation.

. I wish to point out that COMCON is defunct as New Azura is not socialist.

- Ok, fair enough. But allowing poor quality RP'ers does allow more numbers, at the expense of quality. I don't really want to discriminate.

- Of course, which is why I want a very broad but vague selection of ideologies. not just the commies and socialists, but anarchists and syndicalists too.

-I'll remove it at some point then, thanks for the heads up!
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Mar 27 2011, 10:55 PM
Yo, I bring the thunder, contributing both the USSR and the Union of Soviet Republics.

Making it known that I move both.

Thanks comrade, thats bound to get us recognised on a large scale.
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I like the idea, though I think we should start with a little bit smaller target in mind than a grand overarching alliance between all of the communist/socialist/far left alliances. My thought was that the Internationale Solidaritat would act as the 'hammer of socialism', so to speak; a smaller, unified body of active and quality RP'ers that would act as the representative, both militarily and diplomatically, of all the other alliances/groups affiliated with the Solidaritat. Akin to Abruzi's USR, but on a larger scale, and acting as a direct representative of the other communist/socialist/far left alliances.

My only fear with the grand overarching alliance that Sincostan is suggesting is that it will be far too unwieldy and, as the Comintern proved, inactive due in large part to its size, to be at all effective as a force in II.

Of course, this is just my musings on the subject.
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I would say that Avenio is closer to my own personal vision, the one I had intended to persue before Neo-Sincostan came forward with his project. I feel you do not understand my point about ideological unity. For an example, lets use Communism and Anarchism. There are plenty of anarchists who would view even moderate Communists such as me as evil dictatorships to be brought down. Another would be the fact that CommUnite views the Serovskaya pact and all Communists who do not hold an ideologicaly pure view of Marxism as evil revisionists. In comparison, my nation is willing to work with anyone if it aids the long term goal of creating world socialism.

So, do you honestly see those elements actually participating in an organisation that includes so many ideologies they hate?
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Neo-Sincostan
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Ah, I've returned! I see no problem with a grand coalition of the far left, after all, this will be the first of its kind and experimental ;)
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I'm sure that you will agree with me when I say that the massive variations in activity are annoying. I'm sure that there will be plenty of people now who, as you are now available, will not be available themselves. When one small group of this alliance is present, others are not. When others become available, others dissaper. That is how it seems to work.

Anyway, I'll wack something simple together as a charter and we'll work on it here.
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Capisaria
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So, this organization is kinda epic.
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You do realise that the last post was serveral months ago and that the originator of ths idea has ceased to exit? In fact, I would not want to start it again. It would be too big for its own good.
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