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| qjamesfloyd | Sunday, 15. April 2018, 06:43 Post #91 |
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The induction video has now turned up on YouTube: Dire Staits Induction I thought all 3 men gave good speeches, John was very confident and eloquent. I did like the way he talked about memories of the band, and how he gave a name check to the various members of the band over the years. It was also good that Mark's name was not mentioned to often, because like they said, it is "the band" being inducted, not Mark on his own, and they all brought something to the band. Guy gave a long speech too, and he also spoke in confident and eloquent terms. I am also glad that near the end of the clip, John does mention that none of this would have been possible without Mark, which is very true, it was Mark's guitar playing and song writing that made the band, and it was right that John mentioned it. It was good that Mark wasn't there really, because it gave John, Guy and Alan a chance to shine in the spotlight, if Mark had been there, they would not have had much of a look in, so good for them. A well deserved award for the band, and for me personally, because this band's music has formed my musical life, they were the first band I got obsessed by, and Mark is the reason I started playing guitar. I loved the band and music from the first time I heard them, I didn't care that most people thought them uncool, I loved the music, also, it must have been wrong anyway, as hindsight tells me they were the biggest band in the world in the mid 80's, and went on one of the biggest ever world tours, not bad for a "not cool" band!!!! This recognition is long overdue In my view, but it is great they now have it, and if it gives the opportunity for the music to be heard by a new generation, then that is great. :) :rockon: :) You can watch the band arriving on the red carpet below, skip to 29:45 Red Carpet Arrival Edited by qjamesfloyd, Sunday, 15. April 2018, 07:00.
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| qjamesfloyd | Sunday, 15. April 2018, 09:56 Post #92 |
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Doesn't anyone else have any thoughts about all this? |
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| suprlinda | Sunday, 15. April 2018, 12:01 Post #93 |
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Hi, James. My first thought was that it was sort of odd that John was the one conducting the induction! Now I have to wonder if it the Hall or the inductee that has to provide someone to do the induction? A third video also surfaced this morning. I think it may have been done by a fan. I thought the sound was pretty bad, but here it is. Backstage I did think that they did a nice job on all three videos, although Alan hardly said a word, and I had to wonder about the cap. Now, I wonder how many more years will pass before Mark himself gets the nod?! |
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| qjamesfloyd | Sunday, 15. April 2018, 12:18 Post #94 |
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Thanks Linda. You might be correct about having to find someone themselves to induct them, which as John was holding out until the last minute for Mark to change his mind about going, meant he was hoping Mark would ask someone like Eric Clapton, or Emmylou Harris to induct them. Yes, I think Alan should have ditched the cap. He was the one in the background for sure, it was the John and Guy show really. I doubt Mark will get the nod as a solo artist for a very long time now!!! Still, it's all done with now, so we can get back to Mark's forthcoming solo album. |
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| Stanko | Sunday, 15. April 2018, 19:02 Post #95 |
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You are both right in all stated. All in all, all went fine giving it all circumstances. Giving it my two cents, John and Guy saved the whole story about DS and RRHOF in the end although RRHOF doesn't mean a thing to me). It was nice gesture from them no doubt in that, and as it said, Mark just didn't feel like coming and I can understand that. I'm not sure in Alan's motives though (but it's just me), and I tend to believe that his latest jokes about lineup (or who knows what else is in between) for the ceremony is the reason they left him without microfon... Edited by Stanko, Sunday, 15. April 2018, 19:24.
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| qjamesfloyd | Monday, 16. April 2018, 07:42 Post #96 |
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It was just aswell. Guy and John spoke brilliantly for the band, all the band!!! Mark is not a great public speaker, and so it was better that Guy and John spoke for the band. |
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| suprlinda | Tuesday, 17. April 2018, 12:31 Post #97 |
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I ran across an article that is pretty good and thought I would share it. Dire Straits Inducted Into R&R HOF Also, I forgot to mention that Mark's website has posted the video of the induction. In regards to our discussion as to who picks out the inductors, after thinking about John's comments about the HOF giving him a 15 minute warning that they didn't have anyone to do the job, that seems to imply that they do the selection and contacting of possible presenters. They sure fell down on the job! And I think John really went above and beyond to jump in with his hastily constructed speech. |
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| qjamesfloyd | Tuesday, 17. April 2018, 14:05 Post #98 |
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Thanks for the link Linda, that was written by someone who actually did research, and or is a fan, well, written. It seem like the organisers did have some people lined up to induct the band, but pulled out when they heard Mark was not going to be there according to Guy, now the question is, who was it? |
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| Stanko | Tuesday, 17. April 2018, 16:25 Post #99 |
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Thank you Linda, it's a good one! |
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| qjamesfloyd | Friday, 20. April 2018, 08:38 Post #100 |
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I must be in a minority but I agree with Mark's stance, I think his silence speaks volumes. When anyone is given an award, there is no rule to say you have to pick up the award, he, like everyone has a choice, he made his choice, and people should respect that, and I don't agree with all this "he owes it to the fans" he doesn't owe us anything, we don't owe him anything, and even if he did owe us, he still doesn't have to attend an award show if he doesn't want to, and most people are forgetting about David and Pick, they didn't go either, in David's case it's worse, he was going, then changed his mind, what about him owing fans? Mark is getting a lot of negativity over this, but what about all the good things he has done over the years, lots of charity work for example, and most musicians out side of Dire Straits can't say enough good things about Mark, so, he as a person has changed since the DS days. I remember a quote from Mark once where he said something like " I like success, but if someone can tell me one good thing about fame, I'd like to hear it" and that says everything you need to know about Mark, he doesn't like fame, Glenn Worf said that about Mark in the, A Life In Songs film. So, why would he want to attend an award show with the word "Fame" in the title? Mark has said time and time again, it is about the song. |
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| Stanko | Friday, 20. April 2018, 18:50 Post #101 |
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Well said James. And it's a good thing to be in a minority for change, especially knowing it is a taking Mark's side! :rockon: |
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| ElinaFinn | Friday, 20. April 2018, 19:44 Post #102 |
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I totally agree with James. The way many fans have reacted, all that criticism on some other forums, has made me sad. |
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| Stanko | Friday, 20. April 2018, 20:08 Post #103 |
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Hi Elina, it's been a while since i heard from you, i'm so glad you are back really!! |
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| qjamesfloyd | Saturday, 21. April 2018, 05:20 Post #104 |
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Thanks. Yes, it is good to have you around again Elina. |
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| ElinaFinn | Saturday, 21. April 2018, 07:43 Post #105 |
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Thanks for the warm welcome back, guys. I've been occupied by other things for the past few months, but I hope I'll be able to contribute to the discussion here more from now on. |
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| 3Strats | Saturday, 21. April 2018, 09:39 Post #106 |
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Hi Elina & all. I was out at a works social event last night & found myself discussing Dire Straits & their induction with the husband of a work colleague. He has been a fan for years and wanted to know how I'd got front row tickets for the last tour (just luck at the presale) and what I thought about the whole induction "thing". Having had to verbalise my thoughts, I decided that while I accept that Mark had good reasons for not attending, (and because we as "serious" fans know a lot more about the back story and issues involved than most people) I think that overall he may have done more harm than good to his reputation. He will obviously have weighed this up for himself when he made his decision and is prepared to live with it. Perhaps he made a vow never to appear on a stage or perform with David (or Alan) again - who knows?, but I tend to think of Mark as a man of his word and appreciate he won't want to back on a stated position. We know he doesn't want to resurrect the band. I thought the induction itself was very weird with no one prepared to induct them, although John & Guy both spoke eloquently and Alan managed not to strike a sour note in the few words he said. All in all I thought it came across as a bit sad. It might have been better if they had been inducted with no-one turning up, despite the personal honour of being there to be inducted. |
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| qjamesfloyd | Saturday, 21. April 2018, 10:39 Post #107 |
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Weather Mark has done harm or not to his reputation only time will tell, but it would be narrow minded of anyone to judge him and his career for this one thing, I mean look at Paul McCartney, he was busted for drugs many times in the past, hasn't harmed his career in any way, compared to things like that, Mark not attending an award show is nothing!!! I agree, Mark is a man of his word, and that is what I was saying above, if it was different and he had turned up and stood on stage with people he clearly has an issue with, including his brother, we could rightly accuse him of being a hypocrite, but he didn't, so that's ok in my book. As much as I love Pink Floyd, and was amazed at the reunion for Live 8, it was still an awkward situation for the band members!!! I hear people were asked to induct the band, but when they heard Mark was not going to be there, they withdrew, which tells me, they also consider Dire Straits to be Mark Knopfler!!! And that is disrespectful to the other band members. Edited by qjamesfloyd, Thursday, 26. April 2018, 08:27.
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| Emily X | Wednesday, 25. April 2018, 23:00 Post #108 |
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Thank you 3Strats. In a way that kind of validates my own personal feelings.... I only discovered Dire Straits after hearing Mark's solo stuff. Born too late, what can I say? :( But I've been getting into their music for the past few years and really appreciating a lot of Mark's writing. I also realize that they were one of the biggest bands of the 80s. And they were totally unlike my mental image of 80s bands, so they get a big, gold "coolness" star for that, too! About this whole Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thing - I've been reading through this thread and a bunch of other stuff around the web and I find it really disappointing to see how some people change their attitudes and opinions to suit whatever Mark does or doesn't do. People fawning over him and being totally unable to say a bad word. It's really rather sad. From my own perspective - as someone who arrived late to the party and doesn't know the whole backstory, but therefore (hopefully) carries fewer prejudices and preconceptions - I just want to say that I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is really for the fans more than for the artists. It was the fans who bought the music, and paid to see their shows, and who voted for their induction into the Hall of Fame. So it would be nice to see the band put aside their differences for just an hour or two, swallow their egos, and show up to to say "Thank you" to the people who gave them their career in music and made them successful. They don't have to kiss and make up, or even speak to each other. Just show up, and take a brief turn at the microphone to say a few words of thanks. Yeah, I get it. Not everyone is able to do that, but I sure admire the ones who do! :waytogo: I've discovered that a lot of the artists whose work I most admire are either weird, or messed up, or socially awkward. So in some cases I've had to learn to separate the two. As I said in my intro, I love Mark's writing... but not so much the man. |
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| qjamesfloyd | Thursday, 26. April 2018, 08:39 Post #109 |
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I don't really agree. If you are in Mark's position, and you clearly have an issue with Alan Clark, to the point where you wrote a disparaging song directed towards him, and you don't have anything to do with your brother either, even after decades, then to just turn up on stage as if nothing is wrong!! people would then accuse him of being a hypocrite, which he would be, so, I think he was right not to turn up. The thing is, Mark is not the same person he was when he was in Dire Straits, he clearly had an ego, but then can you blame him? he had people always telling him he is a genius, a virtuoso guitar player, one of the greatest song writers ever, etc, that would go to most people's head, but I think in the early to middle 90's he got over it, and got fed up of the huge stadium gigs and guitar hero tag, so took himself away from it, when he clearly could have carried on doing it, I respect that, and it goes back to him saying the song is king. Just as much as I love Pink Floyd, and was amazed they performed together one last time at Live 8, the hug at the end of the performance was awkward to say the least, and since that gig, things have been strained between Gilmour and Waters, so nothing changed there!! The RRHOF might be "for the fans" but it is not for me, it means nothing to me, if it was for the fans then you wouldn't have this museum in Cleveland only, where most fans across the world couldn't get to, because of cost!! Even David Knopfler couldn't go because of cost!!! Edited by qjamesfloyd, Thursday, 26. April 2018, 09:39.
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| Emily X | Friday, 27. April 2018, 06:50 Post #110 |
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No problem, qjamesfloyd - we can agree to disagree. I just thought Mark should be mature enough and confident enough to go, knowing that he is the reason for the band's success. Whether those other guys show up or not, he is the reason everyone is there. He doesn't have to pretend that nothing is wrong. He doesn't even have to talk to them. They would be the ones who would feel awkward. And he's like, the one person that people want to see accepting the award. And that's why nobody wanted to present it to them. Because Mark wasn't there. So I think it's sad. Like 3Strats said, "It might have been better if they had been inducted with no-one turning up...." |
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| Stanko | Saturday, 28. April 2018, 20:38 Post #111 |
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(It is not addressed to anyone on this forum, it's a general impression of mine) I find both, irony and hypocrisy in it overall. Well, knowing this time we live in, the era of democracy and acceptance, where we are all encouraged to stand proud and stubborn in our beliefs, in which the fools and words "I Don't Want..." are so popular and very welcome attitude, same those show up to find Mark as if he is the only man on earth who is not allowed for the same? Well, this is not the case when it comes to Mark, I just put it as an example in my figurative speech. "Hammer on a skillet, up they come" :dielol: |
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| 3Pints | Monday, 30. April 2018, 04:47 Post #112 |
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I agree, Emily. I've never been particularly interested in these kinds of awards, and especially not ones voted on by 'the fans' - the vast majority of whom are wholly biased by marketing and commercialism. However, I do think it's nice to see a band that can put aside their old differences for a brief moment to accept an award that their fans have voted on. I didn't think there was ever a chance that Mark and David would make up, but I'll admit I did hang on a wee glimmer of hope that they both might appear to accept their award because that would have made for a nice closure in a way. You phrased it well: "Not everyone is able to do that, but I sure admire the ones who do!" Me too! :waytogo: |
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| Emily X | Wednesday, 2. May 2018, 06:03 Post #113 |
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Yeh, it would have been nice. Looks like there's a lot of mixed reactions going around about this: Sultan of Snub |
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| qjamesfloyd | Wednesday, 2. May 2018, 08:32 Post #114 |
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Yes, but like I have said already, this is to my knowledge the first time Mark has not attended an award like this, and he has been to many of them, so for me it is just an over reaction!!! |
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| suprlinda | Sunday, 6. May 2018, 10:11 Post #115 |
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This morning someone posted the recording he made of the HBO telecast of DS's induction on Guy's forum. HBO did include the short video that Guy mentioned would be played. (I wonder if Henrik Hanson did it, or if it was originally from something else?) HBO did a bit of editing - cutting out John's awkward induction, and his crediting all of the people who had been involved with the band. HBO Hall Of Fame Ceremony (edited version) Enjoy! :yay: Edited by suprlinda, Sunday, 6. May 2018, 10:13.
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| Stanko | Sunday, 6. May 2018, 20:51 Post #116 |
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thank you for the update Linda! (for a sake, it's the HBO after all lol!) |
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| qjamesfloyd | Tuesday, 8. May 2018, 14:15 Post #117 |
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Thanks for this Linda, it took a while to turn up, still waiting on Guy's diary!!! I am glad that a lot of the focus of the video was on Mark, so even if people were not up on the band's history they would get to know Mark as he wasn't there. Quite a good brief summation of the history of the band, except for some reason they missed the On Every Street era. |
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| 3Pints | Saturday, 12. May 2018, 18:10 Post #118 |
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Thanks for posting that link, Linda. The HBO edit at least makes the best of a decidedly awkward situation. :yeahright: |
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| suprlinda | Saturday, 23. June 2018, 15:22 Post #119 |
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I received an e-mail from the R&R HOF the day before yesterday. It included a video which I didn't get a chance to watch until now. The Hall seems to have compiled it with cuts from the induction ceremony as well as the video Mark supplied for the ceremony. I thought it was kind of neat. Did anyone else see this? |
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| qjamesfloyd | Monday, 25. June 2018, 08:08 Post #120 |
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No, I have not seen that Linda, or had an e-mail from them. When you say Mark supplied a video, do you mean a new video of him saying something about the award? |
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