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| What Do You Think Of Collars; That let out a high frequency whistle | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 23 2005, 11:13 PM (256 Views) | |
| Jane | Jan 23 2005, 11:13 PM Post #1 |
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I have tried the water spray but he just avoids me - I made the mistake of letting him see it, so he just waits til I am not around then jumps up on the back of the sofa and barks at anyone who has the nerve to walk past HIS house ! He barks when he hears a car door, footsteps, the hoover, and of course other dogs going past the house. He doesn't do it when we are out for a walk, he is obviously protecting us at home, but it drives us mad ! I also worry about the neighbours, especially if we are out. I have seen this collar advertised which claims "each bark triggers a high frequency whistle which can break the barking habit without pain, shock or trauma". Has anyone ever tried one ? Do you think it's cruel ? Any other suggestions ? :wacko: |
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| JRT | Jan 24 2005, 09:55 AM Post #2 |
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Personally, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole (but then I have just done a course on canine psychology, so have learnt better methods
:D ) When he starts barking, how do you react? Do you speak to him? Get up and go to him etc? |
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| Jane | Jan 24 2005, 10:35 AM Post #3 |
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With the hoover, I say no just before I put it on and then say good boy lots of times and especially when he stops I go really OTT with the praise. I must say he has improved slightly with that, he no longer bites it and the barking stops fairly quickly. Barking generally i.e. in the morning goes on for about 2 hours because we live near to a school and lots of children pass the house. He seems to know that the postman hasn't been cos he paces until the post arrives and then he rips it to shreds (despite having a cage on the front door - he manages to flip the lid with his nose) ! He is really stressed and I have tried closing the curtains, sitting with him and stroking him, but he just can't keep still. I need to get the kids off to school and til recently was working myself so it wasn't practical to spend all the time with him. He loves being in the garden, but only if the back door is open or we are in the garden with him. Once he realises the door is closed he just sits and barks at it. Would love some advice. I am not working now, and am prepared to put lots of time and effort into it. I don't want my other two dogs to copy him, which they have started to do. Thanks :) |
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| JRM | Jan 24 2005, 12:07 PM Post #4 |
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I have a Bark Trainer collar that uses a high-pitched tone...but my guys all ignore it completely. It is a total and utter failure. What are people's experiences/views on those spray collars, the one's that use citronella etc? My main barking problem is at feed time or at 'going through the door' time (our code for walkies :ph43r: ), and when one starts they all join in...I'm guessing in a mutli-dog household its one of those 'snowball' effects, but if I could stop the instigator from starting it would be much more peaceful :rolleyes: |
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| russels&rissoles | Jan 31 2005, 10:05 AM Post #5 |
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Im with Laura on this one, I wouldnt touch one of the collars myself, my reason for this is if the sound omitted is sufficient to "put the animal off" from doing what ever it is they are doing, then to them it must be something perhaps nasty or of dislike, hence stopping the behaviour. I would prefer to use a training or play regime to break the habit, then again you said its an on-going 2 hour thing of a morning time so thats not easy to organise 2 hours of play and training and get kids ready etc.......come on Laura help us out here, as im sure you must be able to think of some "magic" that wil work on the woofy types :) |
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| mars2le2 | Feb 1 2005, 08:02 PM Post #6 |
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Hi all, I have just bought one of those collars for my 2 yr old cairn x cavalier king charles. Frankly its one of the best things ive done!!! She is very clever and knew exactly when to bark to ensure that she would be let straight back into the house. The main problem I had is that it was more important to bark and get back into the house to ensure she wasn't missing anything than to go to the loo whilst she was out there!! This obviously caused us problems when she decided she need to go toilet but didn't want to or thought she had to go outside. We have only had the collar a week and she only wears it when she is in the garden as we dont want to discourage her barking at possible intruders etc. Our only aim was to reduce the nuisance barking that led to her getting her own way for the sake of my neighbours!!!!!! The collar seems to have worked for us both as she spends time playing in the garden instead of just barking. We tried her only yesterday in the garden without it and only 1 bark was heard for a full 10 mins!!!!! |
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| russels&rissoles | Feb 1 2005, 08:07 PM Post #7 |
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Mars2le2- seeing as how you are in the preliminary stages of trying this collar out can you keep us all updated so we can then advice maybe any other members with how you got on with it and it would be good for Laura(JRT) in her training section if we have enough evidence from people who have used such items? |
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| mars2le2 | Feb 1 2005, 08:17 PM Post #8 |
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Sure, I wish a forum like this was available to me 18 months ago that may have prompted me of possible ways to prevent the barking in the first place so i'll do anything to save others the 'inconvenience' of a yappy dog!! |
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| russels&rissoles | Feb 1 2005, 08:24 PM Post #9 |
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Well you've found us now, and we are a friendly bunch, but dont let us knowing each other and our jokey manner put you off, we are a relatively new board and welcome all members with open arms and you simply must pop into our cyber pub thedog and bone for a little more light hearted banter..... plus a quick description in the "you and yours" section of your household would be wonderful so we get to know you and your little terrorist too. |
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| Jane | Feb 2 2005, 09:29 AM Post #10 |
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Mars2 - did your dog seem bothered by it in anyway ? Did you watch her reaction when she barked. We have tried everything with our dog to stop the barking, and I thought one of these collars would be ideal but I am worried that it will upset him. Also, do you have any other dogs ? We have two others, and I am presuming that it would affect them too. Thanks :) |
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| mars2le2 | Feb 2 2005, 02:28 PM Post #11 |
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She was completely oblivious to it the first time we put it on. She stormed off outside barking incessantly (as always) then just screeched to a halt turned round and looked at us watching from the kitchen window looking extremely puzzled!!!!! She then attempted another bark which I can only assume triggered the device and promptly stopped her in her tracks once again!!! As I said before she soon realised that going outside was a time to toilet, then play not only with us but with her toys etc. I wrestled with the idea of getting one of these collars as im very much of the mentality that there is always a humane, natural way to solve behavioural problems but to do that you have to provide attention. The reason she was barking was because she was being 'sent' outside and wasn't the centre of attention, it was a vicious circle. I then thought logically about it and this is how my brain, (right or wrongly!!!), made the decision to purchase one. High frequency/pitched noises are part of everyday life i.e. when a car puts its brakes on for example and a dog takes no notice of these. I then thought that all I was doing was providing an undesired (for the dog) noise when she barked which in theory is the same as not providing a treat when they dont follow a sit command etc. P.S thanks for the lovely welcome!! :D P.P.S We only have one dog but as you say im sure that in close proximity it would activate for all barking...hope this helps!! |
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| JRT | Feb 2 2005, 02:34 PM Post #12 |
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It's great to hear different views and experiences. Glad it's worked for you Mars :D |
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| Jane | Feb 2 2005, 09:54 PM Post #13 |
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Thanks ever so much - think I might try one :) |
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| russels&rissoles | Feb 4 2005, 09:25 PM Post #14 |
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I shall add this to this thread save staring a whole new thread to do with collars. Whilst at the park tonight doing my clicker training (see other thread!) I was somewhat confused at what seemed to me to be an "odd behaviour" for this adorable looking spinger. Whilst wandering around the park with 2 mad kids and my 2 girls also, doing recall's and sits and stays this springer was wandering around then abruptly stopping, even when running full pelt. Well you all know im a nosey cow, so off I head in the direction of this springer and odd looking gent with him, thinking also that a dog racing around might be a suitable distraction for the girls to also test just how good their recall etc really is, At this point I have to say "perfect" :wub: ............ so Im doing our thing, and again "HALT" goes this springer. Im now close enough to see a very cumbersome box round the springers neck on an additional collar to the one its lead goes on, so being the luttle upfront busy body I am I ask Mr odd gent "whats that box round his neck"...................... "its an electronic device so that when the dog goes too far from me or who ever is walking him(man is not his owner but a "friend" helping to walk the dog as mum and dad are always away so he says) the dog gets a quick sharp shock and goes no further" :o :o :cry: "it's great (continues Mr Odd gent) if he is too near a road, or heading in the wrong direction a quick zap and he is soon back under control" :x: :x: Well atthis point the springer has smelt mytreats and is standing with in all but a yard of me, and OMFG! those poor sad eyes, poor wee thing must get so many zaps from this in a day he looked terrified poor lad :cry: :cry: I dont know what other peoples thoughts on this are, but is that what dog training is all about?........he even had the audacity to ask me what my clicker was for and added "does the sound of it not get on your nerves, click here , click there, click for this, click for that?" My reply was im afraid a little curt..... " I'd rather hear this click than think my dog was having an electronic zap around his throat :angry: everytime I wanted to gain some kind of control" ....and I walked off with tears in my eyes. :( |
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| JRT | Feb 7 2005, 10:31 AM Post #15 |
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Shock collars should be banned :x: That's all I'll say on the matter. |
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