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| The Dog Whisperer; Jan Flemmings book | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 8 2005, 12:44 PM (834 Views) | |
| bigd | Feb 8 2005, 12:44 PM Post #1 |
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We have 2 rescue westies and recently we have both read the dog listener and practical dog listener by Jan Flemming. I can honestly say this approach really works well with strongheaded terriers. I have now been reinstated by my dogs as the top Alpha Dog and in the process have gained confidence in training and recall. :hi5: I now let them off daily on the Heath and have gained mutual respect and understanding of how dogs communicate with each other. :yay: :yay: :yay: The best thing about it is they do things for me because they want to and not because they have to by force.No choke chains or shock collars here! Training has been made 99% easier with this no nonsense positive reinforcement approach. Thanks Jan :nw: Well worth the read.Reinstate yourself as the head of the pack by learning the language of dogs. :pup: Honestly it really works!!!! 3 months ago mine were both traumatised breeders on a puppy farm.Now they are happy and well adjusted dogs that trust me to lead them in any situation. |
 
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| russels&rissoles | Feb 8 2005, 01:00 PM Post #2 |
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That all sounds fantastic! well done you for taking the time to educate yourself :hi5: it's so great to hear of folks doing all they can for these little mites from the puppy farms. :wub: |
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| JRT | Feb 8 2005, 02:54 PM Post #3 |
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Just in case anyone does a search for it, it's by Jan Fennell and it's called the Dog Listener :D |
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| bigd | Feb 9 2005, 09:46 AM Post #4 |
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Thats right.Sorry realised my mistake in the afternoon!!! :o :eh: |
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| JRT | Feb 9 2005, 09:50 AM Post #5 |
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:lol: No worries! |
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| bexster1978 | Apr 29 2005, 09:56 PM Post #6 |
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i am in the process of reading this book... seems good so far amd practicing on my 2 westies... i will let u know how i get on... |
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| MyMissie | May 23 2005, 02:56 PM Post #7 |
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I have read this book too and it made a massive difference to Missie. She used to run away all the time, and never come when called. She is totally different now, and although we are still working on the recall, she never runs off anymore! I would strongly recommend everyone reads it. |
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| Bullie Girl | Jun 1 2005, 03:09 PM Post #8 |
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Just ordered the paper back version from Amazon, any tip's I can pick up from it will be a bonus as Bodie can be a little s0d at times lol.... |
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| 11brindle | Jun 10 2005, 11:20 AM Post #9 |
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put my order in today. will let you know if it works on my rogue border. |
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| 11brindle | Jul 12 2005, 09:43 PM Post #10 |
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in the process of reading it, but so far it seems to be having an effect. |
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| GeorgieB | Jul 14 2005, 03:20 PM Post #11 |
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Before I start, I'm sorry to put the cat amongst the pigeons...!
:) I've never read any of her books, but on a couple of other forums I'm on her methods are described as "lots of other people's ideas re-hashed into her own", many of which are now thought to be outdated. The Dog Listener - Book Review This book review makes for a good and amusing read! The Alpha Dog theory and the thinking that you need to dominate your dog are being questioned by many dog owners and trainers, and newer, kinder practices being adopted by many of the eminent dog trainers. :) Even the late, great John Fisher recognised that dogs aren't out to take over the world, and revised his methods! It may be that other aspects of your training are working, rather than the Alpha Dog and Dominance theories. :unsure: Have a look at these websites... Dog Dominance - Fact or Fiction? Barry Eaton Turid Rugaas |
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| JRT | Jul 14 2005, 03:29 PM Post #12 |
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It's great to hear differing opinions on things :) I'll have a look at the links later - thanks!! |
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| RJL | Feb 7 2006, 02:05 PM Post #13 |
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I've read the Dog Listener and I think some of her methods work - but not for the reasons she gives fro their success (if that makes sense) I think a far better book - the best I've read, is one called 'The Culture Clash' by Jean Donaldson. I believe that 'dominance' has been used as an excuse for behaviour too many times when really, the dog is just being an opportunist. For example - sitting on the sofa. Is your dog really thinking about 'pack status' or has he just realised it is much nicer than sitting on the floor?! The problem with a lot of 'dog must know its place' theories is that whether physical / aversive methods are used or not, is that the dog loses the incentive to make its own decisions and you lose the opportunity to really develop the dog's mind. I think the best thing about owning a terrier is their fantastic personalities and zest for life. Why curb that if you can work with it?! Besides- anyone who feels the need to dominate something that doesn't come up to their knee!!!!! :x: |
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| Tafia | Feb 7 2006, 04:54 PM Post #14 |
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I use methods similiar to JF, I also realise that she has, amongst many, become "persona non grata". It also strikes me that those who particularly dislike these methods, by and large don't have a background in terriers. I have no wish to dominate my, or anyone elses dog, infact the results would be disasterous if I did. If using variations of those techniques works, whats your problem if my dogs don't have a problem with it? The normal answer to this question is that because I use similar techniques then I have no way of comparing exactly how distressed my dogs are by it, well bunkum. I'm neither so stupid or near sighted that I can't see the dogs in my house are happy, healthy, well adjusted, jolly individuals. These methods have been described as dangerous, unkind, infact down right foolish when by and large variations have been successfully used (by terrier folk) who've never even heard of JF. I've seen folks condeming JF whilst recommending NILIF - well for the life of me I can't see any great difference between the two. Everything is open to interpretation - you can choose can call it "domination" because thats how "you" choose to interpret it - I call it mutual cooperation. My dogs are neither subsurvient or unhappy, perhaps the least neurotic dogs you could wish to meet - certainly they'd never win an obedience competition but are pleasure to be with. |
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| MrE | Feb 7 2006, 05:04 PM Post #15 |
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Isnt there a dvd out on this too, I fancy getting that. I'm in both camps at the moment. I think what is important is to use whatever methods improve the dogs life. There are good methods but none are a panacea. I suppose they need to be suited to the problem, the dog and the owner. Fear and pain do work, so does reward but sometimes the circumstances may require the choices we do not wish to make and in turn cost the animals life. For example in India, tigers were eating kids and attacking humans. Its a bit hard to change that animal behaviour with reward methods. The first choice of cure was to shoot any stray tigers and zoo up a few others to keep the breed going. Now thats not really good for the tiger. The option they chose was electric shocks! Dummies were made of humans and placed around the country where tigers inhabit. The dummys were wired to batteries and every time a stray tiger attacked one it got a damn good shock. Dummys were even placed in the tigers camps etc. Eventually the tigers became classically conidtioned to fear the human shape and hence avioded human contact. Attacks went down to very low and the tigers kept their area. So I think a true trainer will be aware of the benefits of all methods. Me personally I prefer reward based, but what animal lover wouldnt. But I am also prepared to learn the dominance model and other methods of training. Plus when I read a great deal about airdales, welsh, lakelands, wired fox, they all say needs a strong owner. Translated I think that means and owner that does not take any cr*p from the dog :-) I do think terriers and dominance go hand in hand. Imho I do think its needed to a degree. But not at the cost of reward based learning. Its simple, to me terriers like "right" n "wrong" not "right" and "say nowt when they are doing wrong" Well that's what seems to work in our lives at the moment :-) |
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